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Old 01-23-2013, 10:37 AM   #31
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I want to do this to my stock TJ also. I thought I would have to lose my tow hooks, but it looks like I can keep them from what I see here. Also, what about those winches that come with the fairlead on it, does it have to come off for the plates that have the fairlead mount? Forgive me if the questions seem simple, but I don't know jack about winches.
Roller fairleads and hawses only look like they mount to the winch itself, they actually mount to the front of the winch mounting plate.

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I don't think it has been mentioned, but while mounting a winch to the stock bumper works great, it is vulnerable to damage if you rear end someone or hit something since the stock bumper is flimsy and will bend easily. A winch plate with a hoop will help some, but the best way to protect your winch is with a sturdy aftermarket bumper that extends beyond where the winch sits.

Just something to consider doing in the long run.

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Will that Tomken plate house a Quadratec 9000 or 9500?
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thanks to this thread, i have remembered that i need to fix my 9000lb warn... in and out work, but doesnt free wheel.... its a good thing im VERY familiar with rebuilding warns (atv winches but nonetheless)

btw mine is on the stock bumper. but has a few hoops welded/bolted to the bumper as well (PO put everything on)
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First I had a hitch mounted on the front of my 03. My winch is mounted then to the hitch. My jeep also has wires ran to the back so my winch works on the front and rear.
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Here's my winch on my stock front bumper it was the first thing I did when I bought the jeep before I did any of the other stuff. I put it on a raised winch plate. Think I got the plate off ebay

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I think it was the best thing I could have done before I put tires on and lockers etc.
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Heres my stock 06 TJ with a 10,000 # winch
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I don't think it has been mentioned, but while mounting a winch to the stock bumper works great, it is vulnerable to damage if you rear end someone or hit something since the stock bumper is flimsy and will bend easily. A winch plate with a hoop will help some, but the best way to protect your winch is with a sturdy aftermarket bumper that extends beyond where the winch sits.
A winch doesn't mount to the bumper itself, it only bolts through the bumper to the frame below. The bumper could be made of plastic or cardboard for all it matters to a winch.
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I don't think it has been mentioned, but while mounting a winch to the stock bumper works great, it is vulnerable to damage if you rear end someone or hit something since the stock bumper is flimsy and will bend easily. A winch plate with a hoop will help some, but the best way to protect your winch is with a sturdy aftermarket bumper that extends beyond where the winch sits.

Just something to consider doing in the long run.
My buddy hit a wall a few years ago with his jeep. Doing around 30mph, it wasn't completely head on though. Bent the frame, pushed the winch up into the grille. Drove it away and the thing still works to this day. So does the jeep! He has a winch plate very similar to the one in the post above mine. I don't remember if he had to replace the bumper or not though. Will have to ask.

Not that I'm saying that the stock bumper and winch is a good combination when it comes to protection, but just a cool story to share.
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First I had a hitch mounted on the front of my 03. My winch is mounted then to the hitch. My jeep also has wires ran to the back so my winch works on the front and rear.
I was in an accident with the setup quoted above where I rear ended someone else. The car I hit had some rear damage but my jeep and winch had no damage
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Old 06-06-2013, 02:45 PM   #42
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I just wanted to point out to everyone that the stock Torx T-55 bolts are metric, 12mm-P1.25 to be exact, while most tow hooks come with 1/2" NCT (National Coarse Thread) Grade 5 bolts, which are NOT the same. The metric bolts and captive nuts on the frame have a 12mm diameter and a thread pitch with about 15 threads per inch, while 1/2" NCT is 13 threads per inch with a slightly larger diameter of 12.7mm.

The problem arises because these sizes are so close. When you force a 1/2" bolt into the metric threads, it gets snug but goes in - and you strip/reform the threads and lose about half the strength you would have with a 12mm-P1.25 bolt that matched the threads exactly.

But once you have forced a 1/2" bolt in the hole, don't try to go back to the 12mm size, it will re-form the threads again and partially strip again. Using tow hooks secured with partially stripped threads is dangerous IMHO.

The best thing is not to make the mistake, but my Jeep and most have longer 1/2" bolts on top and the original metric bolts on the bottom. I will have to fix that eventually, meanwhile I snatch from the back bumper wherever possible, and use D-rings on my front bumper which are midway between the top/bottom bolts, and distribute the stress over more than those four compromised top bolts.
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When did those bolts turn metric? Mine are 1/2x13.
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According to the screw pitch gauge at Orchard Supply Hardware, the original Torx are 12mm-P1.25. I see the same when I hold an original bolt against a 1/2"-13, the thread pitch is slightly finer, they do not mesh over the entire length.

I think they have always been that way, the bolts on my 2003 look the same as my 1997 SE, just longer. But I can't be sure, I no longer own the original TJ.
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its simple. winch plate and thats it.

the one on the left is mine
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winch mod on stock bumper

One of my 1st mods--winch on stock bumper with winch plate--worked out great.My bull bar is probably stronger than the tow hooks but I lost some of the approach angle which I knew ahead of time.I know how to correct that but I'm not smart enough to cut the compound angle on the 2 x2 that will be needed.Still working on that.The bull bar is removable.By the way..I saw the bit on the tow hooks being in mm size instead of inches----I goofed for sure but maybe my mount over the hooks will help if there should be a bolt fitting problem.
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I have a Quadratec Q9000, Smittybilt raised plate and Smittybilt classic bumper on my 98. I'd still call my suspension stock, as I only have 2in spacers right now. Between all that stuff, I added at least 150lbs to the front end, with maybe a .5 in drop. I can live with that for now.

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Will that Tomken plate house a Quadratec 9000 or 9500?
It should. They use common mounting specs.
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Old 08-19-2013, 10:08 AM   #49
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Super informative thread! Thank you all!!!

So, I've got a stock bumper with tow hooks. If I install (say the Tokem) I'll have to remove said tow hooks, yes? Then where would I have my front tow hooks? I think I'm missing a simple concept here so looking for the brain trust here to advise! Thanks!!
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Super informative thread! Thank you all!!!

So, I've got a stock bumper with tow hooks. If I install (say the Tokem) I'll have to remove said tow hooks, yes? Then where would I have my front tow hooks? I think I'm missing a simple concept here so looking for the brain trust here to advise! Thanks!!
Typically you can still install tow hooks over top of the winch plate. I can't say I've seen every winch plate there is, but I can with the one I'm using over top the stock bumper. This is a poor pic, but it's the only one I have at the moment:



You can see I still have the tow hooks on.
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Typically you can still install tow hooks over top of the winch plate. I can't say I've seen every winch plate there is, but I can with the one I'm using over top the stock bumper. This is a poor pic, but it's the only one I have at the moment:



You can see I still have the tow hooks on.
Thanks so much! Which winch mount do you have?

I have a HF 30 minutes away and pondering heading there next month to get a plate, winch and longer screws!
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To be honest, I couldn't tell you. I picked it up cheap from a guy at a Jeep show. It's a cheap generic winch plate that is flat; in other words, it isn't one of the raised versions to go over the stock sway bar since I'm running an Anti-Rock.

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