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Old 03-13-2010, 02:20 PM   #31
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Old 03-13-2010, 02:25 PM   #32
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I like to use my Jeep to explore places I would normally get to without 4wd. It seems that the more remote destination I get to the more I need something a bit more than stock. I started with my YJ with no lift and 31" tires. I have since given her a 4" lift, front locker, CB, recovery points, etc all in the name of getting a little further out there and back. Have any of my mods had a negative effect on my Jeep? Sure, I just flipped a shackle yesterday, but I had a ton of fun getting to that point. I will have a new spring hopefully very soon. My Jeep is not greatly modded, but someday it may be as I wish to get to that ever harder to reach spot.

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I put more stuff on mine to prevent me from getting stuck like I use to. A nice suspension lift, real tires and a winch.... the possibilities are mostly limited to your driving capabilites now (within reason). I also have more cash now than I did when I was 18. At least my tires match now.

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I'm still living in a Jeep down by the river!
Thanks Fweaky the 2 weeks is killing me, farmers loans are tough and especially with the stricter lending laws. So they need to know my every move, hopefully no more surprises or I will sleeping in my Jeep to.....now back on topic.
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So in theroy if Sid removes the 4.55's, then all should be well in the world.(which he would have to do inorder for you to leave your jeep stock right?)I will not even get into the issues of sid installing your gears on a lunch break at work.

Now as for people asking the same question over and over with out searching... if we wanted people to do that we would be called wrangler data base..not wrangler forum. Sure some folks search and some don't.. life go's on.
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It's not about an addiction to mods....
Yeah, but for me it is an addiction. I'm OCD anyway so I'm pretty much planning what I'm going to do next all the time. Granted though, the mods I do are to make the Jeep more trail worthy, not flashy crap. But I keep saying if I only had $5000 I would be done. No way. I wouldn't be done if I had four times that to spend.

It would be nice though.
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whats the point of having a jeep if its going to remain stock?
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whats the point of having a jeep if its going to remain stock?
Because some of them don't need any mods:

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whats the point of having a jeep if its going to remain stock?
I don't have a lot of money, so I made with what I had - a brand new stock 1998 Sahara. I bought my Jeep in 1997 and wheeled it unmodified for 10 years. I had so much fun pushing my Jeep as far as it would go without breaking it. I learned the intricacies of proper line reading and finesse. I also learned what my limitations were, given a certain trail or condition.

I've had so many people tell me I wouldn't make it through a particular trial because I was stock. I always enjoyed the look on their faces when I made it through.

I'm no longer stock but not "built" to to extent of many. My Jeep is my daily driver and I enjoy it as much as I did when I was stock. Although, sometimes I do miss the challenges and overcoming them, while I was stock .
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If you want to modify your Jeep, then do it. If you want to modify your Jeep a little, then do it. If you don't want to modify your Jeep, then don't. We all like to have choices. If we didn't have choices we may as well live in a country where our choices are dictated to us.
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If we didn't have choices we may as well live in a country where our choices are dictated to us.

Like forcing people to buy ....

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Since I started this friendly dialogue I thought I would expound on it. First let me preface by saying I DO know how to have fun in a jeep and take it to it's limits. I've owned a '75 CJ5 and an '81 Scrambler, and took them to some unbelievable places. By now you can figure I'm twice the age of most of you (52). I certainly am NOT judging anyone who chooses to modify their jeep. I realize my post may have sounded that way. Part of what set me off on my rant is the "wave thread". At least 5 or 6 posts said they don't bother to wave at stock jeeps because we bought ours for different reasons....Huh?!?!. That's just not cool. I wave at ALL jeeps. What makes them think we never hit the trails? And do they realize half the time they are waving at some poser on 33's whose closest encounter with mud has been at some health spa? I realize they are the minority and there are many many cool people on this site. But some of the posts admit they don't even intend to take their jeeps offroad but just want the look. So they jump in blindly, do a cheap lift and then complain that jeeps are pos's. Or they don't do their homework and they buy one already modded only to have problems down the road. I know I'm the minority on this site being "the voice of the stock jeeper" and I can take the flak, which I knew would come. Now for a legitimate question: If I have 29" tires (bfg p235's) and I do the proper lift and mods to run 33"s, I'm only gaining 4" of clearance. The diffs will never be higher than the clearance between them and the tires. So, does that 4" really give you that much of an advantage? I'm going to say driver skill can compensate for an extra 4" of clearance. Like I said, I'm thick skinned and can take the flak. So let's here it. I'm not going to gather up my marbles and go home. I love this forum, and have learned a ton.
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Really to get over that log that is just too high, i would say it helps... of course there's the ones who choose to bypass it too. Not implying you are one of those pokey, but i understand what you mean in this post.
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Since I started this friendly dialogue I thought I would expound on it. First let me preface by saying I DO know how to have fun in a jeep and take it to it's limits. I've owned a '75 CJ5 and an '81 Scrambler, and took them to some unbelievable places. By now you can figure I'm twice the age of most of you (52). I certainly am NOT judging anyone who chooses to modify their jeep. I realize my post may have sounded that way. Part of what set me off on my rant is the "wave thread". At least 5 or 6 posts said they don't bother to wave at stock jeeps because we bought ours for different reasons....Huh?!?!. That's just not cool. I wave at ALL jeeps. What makes them think we never hit the trails? And do they realize half the time they are waving at some poser on 33's whose closest encounter with mud has been at some health spa? I realize they are the minority and there are many many cool people on this site. But some of the posts admit they don't even intend to take their jeeps offroad but just want the look. So they jump in blindly, do a cheap lift and then complain that jeeps are pos's. Or they don't do their homework and they buy one already modded only to have problems down the road. I know I'm the minority on this site being "the voice of the stock jeeper" and I can take the flak, which I knew would come. Now for a legitimate question: If I have 29" tires (bfg p235's) and I do the proper lift and mods to run 33"s, I'm only gaining 4" of clearance. The diffs will never be higher than the clearance between them and the tires. So, does that 4" really give you that much of an advantage? I'm going to say driver skill can compensate for an extra 4" of clearance. Like I said, I'm thick skinned and can take the flak. So let's here it. I'm not going to gather up my marbles and go home. I love this forum, and have learned a ton.
Every little bit helps and that comes from a mostly stock jeeper. There is only so much "Skill" can take you with a stock jeep. Nothing wrong with stock but a locker or more aggressive tires could mean getting up a hill or not.
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One point I agree with Pokey on is the wave, I have said it many times before. My Jeep is stock and not by choice, other priorities for now. But I rarely ever get so much of a look from a lifted Jeep, much less a wave.
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I'd wave to ya', Joe, and mine's lifted a little.
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I'm in Joe's boat. I've been stock and can't afford to get done what I want to right now. (f'n job loss) I wave and since I'm normally the first to wave, I haven't noticed any snobbery from lifted rigs. I picked up a used OME lift about a year ago, but haven't been able to afford tires. No point putting my lift on the 30's.
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I'm in Joe's boat. I've been stock and can't afford to get done what I want to right now. (f'n job loss) I wave and since I'm normally the first to wave, I haven't noticed any snobbery from lifted rigs. I picked up a used OME lift about a year ago, but haven't been able to afford tires. No point putting my lift on the 30's.
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Pokey, like I stated in my first post in this topic, I bought my YJ in stock form with the only mod bing 31" tires. I went places a mountain goat would be nervous about, so I agree that a stock Jeep will go many places. But I have also noticed that with a lift and more aggressive tires, (still 31s), I can go further with less effort. So yes, I do think that a lift will enhance the performance of a Jeep. I like to think that I am a skilled driver and that I can pick my line fairly well. But my mods have made it so that I can still make the hill or obstical if I should choose the incorrect line.

It sounds that you are used to the Jeep world and are confident with a stock Jeep and that is great. But you must admit that if you were to choose to increase your tire size, even to only 31s, your Jeep would not have to work as hard to get to your ulitimate destination.

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I'll be the first to say that wheelin' is more driver than vehicle. (tiny and Cain will back me up on this one). I've seen people with nearly stock Jeeps make it through stuff that a guy with $25k worth of mods could not.

That being said... All other things being equal, I've seen Jeeps with 35's walk up sections that I've had problems getting through with my 33's. There are times when an inch can really make a difference. (and by the way, 29's ->33's = two extra inches, not four)

Everything I've done to my Jeep has been centered around getting past that next obsticle. It's all been done on a tight, well thought out budget. And I've never paid anyone anything other than beer for labor to work with me on my mods. I've learned a lot about how things work on my Jeep and that has come from doing it myself and asking questions here on the forum.

I don't have any problem with people who ask "stupid" questions here on the forum. I know I've asked a few myself. It's how we learn and being part of a community means that we help those who need it and get help from those who can help us. 'Nuff said....

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The bottom line of if you need to build a Jeep up is simply based on the types of trails you want to run. If you are fine with running remote unpaved roads, fire roads, exploring back areas on SUV-suitable level trails, then you don't need to build a Jeep up. A Jeep with a 5" lift and 35" tires won't do that types of trails any better than a stock Jeep will. If that's all you're after, you're right that a stock Wrangler is more than adequate.

What you have to understand Pokey is that not everyone is happy with doing simple non-challenging/tough trail. Most of trails I enjoy doing can't be done with a stock Jeep no matter how good of a driver you are. Absolutely can't be done, not maybe can't be done.

So if you fine with easier trails, a stock Jeep is fine. If you're not & you like being challenged by trails that are out of reach of a stock Jeep, then you're going to have to build it. If you can't understand the need some have for ever-increasingly difficult challenging trails, that's fine. But for many of us, we want that extra-tough level of challenge that is only going to be met with aggressive big tires with more ground clearance than a stock Jeep has. Kind of like you can live on plain oatmeal & water but there's more to life for some than plain oatmeal & water.
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...... No point putting my lift on the 30's.....
Sure there is. I ran with a 3.5" lift and stock tires on my Jeep for about 6 months. I got to learn how it responded to the change in suspension geometry.
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I do agree that a lot of wheeling is based on a good driver not the rig. So if your a good driver with a stock jeep you can get through a lot of things. But if your a good driver and have a jeep with lockers front and back, some aggressive 35's, a 6"
lift with swaybar disconnects and a reliable powerful motor, and for me and other yj guys a telescoping trackbar just imagine what you could get through then and the places you could go and experience.
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^^^ good points.
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I can understand the point of the rant. I enjoy my wrangler as it is. Mine is stock and not only can i not afford to mod it but if I could sink all that money into it id be more worried about breaking it. I guess i would enjoy to mod it but not everyone needs to. The problem is if you post a video to youtube or anywhere els on the web of you just haveing fun in your stock jeep you get all these jerks that have to comment you cant drive you need to throw lockers on that thing you need a lift ect. Some of us make the best with what we have and in my opinion being a jeep owner isnt about showing off its about makeing due with what you have weather it is stock or not and just haveing fun. My wife has a cherokee which handles great offroad but its so smooth and easy that imo it isnt as fun. Her cherokee has a 4.0 and a auto trans my wrangler is a 4 cylinder and has a 5 speed and I find it alout more fun in my wrangler because its more of a chalange. Im not saying one way is better then anothers but its about personal choice and people that like there jeeps stocked shouldnt be looked down at. Ive seen way to many newer jeeps modded out the ass with probly close to 9k worth of mods for offroading that people have to come to a complete stop for pot holes. and if one spec of mud is on there jeep they need to take it to the car wash. My jeep wears its mud with pride. The only time my jeep goes to the car wash is when i want to see if i get kicked out
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Nothing is wrong with keeping a jeep stock. All you really need are some AT's or MT tires, and 4x4 and you can go almost anywhere.

I'll be the first to say it. Stock 32" MT's are all I need, yet I have a lift and ordered 35's. why?...because I can. Jeeps are all about fun. Everything jeep revolves around that 3 letter word. From "life is good" to waving, to modifications. It softens the blow a little when you can upgrade something you just destroyed. Now smashing your jeep, isn't so bad...it's fun!

I'll tell you what I don't understand. Those people that spend thousands of dollars modifying that Mustang, Lancer, or Charger so it can sit in a garage except 1 week out of the year. I'd rather spend thousands of dollars on a jeep I destroy. To me, breaking, upgrading, waving, wheeling, and wrenching are what makes my jeep "fun". FUN! that's what it's all really about. Not mods, or mechanics, or even off-roading. It's YOU, doing what YOU think is FUN with your jeep.

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