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Old 03-13-2010, 09:31 AM   #1
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Why my jeep will remain stock: a rant

Here's an example of an all-too-common post we see here every day: "Hey guys, how's it going. Three days ago I brought my perfectly running jeep over to the ABC muffler shop and had master mechanic Sid install 4.55 gears front and rear on his lunch break. Yesterday, halfway into my 30 mile commute (she's my daily driver) the CEL light comes on. Now she's throwing codes OMG 6, WTF 9, and POS 13, not to mention the Death Wobble. Help me out guys. Whats going on? What should I do?"... I'll tell you what to do: return the jeep to stock like its engineers intended and all your troubles will go away. I know what a jeep can do and I'll work it when I have to, but I'm never in a race or out to prove anything when I'm out wheeling. I may be at the end of the pack, but I'll usually reach the end destination. If you want to make it from boulder A to boulder B save your money and buy a helicopter. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bagging on tricked out jeeps. I understand. I get it. Mods are like tattoos, the more you have the more you want. I don't have tattoos. And I've always preferred women with no make-up or aftermarket parts. Therefore my jeep shall remain stock. Rant over.

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thats no fun.the way this works is we screw up our jeeps with add ons and then fix it on this forum.so do you like women with tattoos?

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To each there own man, Personally I would rather drive over boulder A to boulder B and get stuck in mud hole C because it puts a smile on my face and some of us can't afford a helicopter.

Jeeps are extremely capable stock but just like everything else it's a hobby and you like to mess with it.
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By that thought process, we should just accept things the way they are when they're built? What does your house look like? Have you done anything to personalize it since buying it from the previous owner? Have you made any upgrades? I hope not, because that would make you a hypocrite.
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If you could have afforded that helicopter you wouldnt have bought the jeep.

And as with cavediverjc, I hope his oil is still original.
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There's a (not so) fine line between "wheeling" and just subjecting your Jeep to the most ridiculous and damaging torture you can find to go through...
I love being outdoors and enjoying what nature has to offer without having to prove I can go through that 4 foot deep water hole...
The mere thought of what the nasty mud and grit is doing to my "daily driver" vehicle is enough to make me sick to my stomach...
A dedicated Jeep, built for these things is another story...that's why you built it. Just like a stock car...run it break it and fix it...not my bag.
However, I am very happy with my stock jeep and will "wheel" within its capabilities.
The guys that just run through everything to say they can and then complain that they have a multitude of problems afterwards...just don't get any sympathy from me!!
The bottom line...do as you please and deal with the consequences...
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The only reason there are problems is if someone did something wrong.
It's not like the jeep is some rational thinking being, and says "Hey, he's replacing my parts, I think I'll get even with him by making myself do death wobbles."

If all the research and installs are done correctly, you have a lot of fun not only doing the installs, but riding it later.

I'm not saying stock jeeps aren't fun, I'm just saying modded jeeps are more fun. (if you do it right)
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The only reason there are problems is if someone did something wrong.
It's not like the jeep is some rational thinking being, and says "Hey, he's replacing my parts, I think I'll get even with him by making myself do death wobbles."

If all the research and installs are done correctly, you have a lot of fun not only doing the installs, but riding it later.

I'm not saying stock jeeps aren't fun, I'm just saying modded jeeps are more fun. (if you do it right)
Agreed!!

Except the rational thinking part, sometimes I think and am pretty sure it has a mind of it's own, if it had opposable thumbs I think is would kick my A$$ for some of things I put it through.
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When you were a kid playing with Lego’s, did you just build the thing on the front of the box and then put it up on a shelf?

The magnificent thing about a Wrangler is that it is a starting platform to build from. It's an educational tool. The problem with your original post is that the Jeep owner took it to "Sid". He/she should have put the gears in themselves and learned something from it.

I'm not sayin' you should keep your Jeep anything but stock, but why rag on the people who modify theirs? By keeping your Jeep stock, you're the one missing out on a lot of fun and adventure.

And by the way.... You don't "Get it". It's not about an addiction to mods.... For most of us, it's about the sense of accomplishment you feel from getting through a particularly rough section of trail in something you built. It's about knowing how all your suspension works to provide the right amount of traction at the right time. It's also about a sense of individualism, not having the exact same set-up as everyone else. If "the engineers" built a perfect rock crawler that couldn't be modified, I wouldn't buy it.

So you can stick with your stock Jeep and keep driving on those dirt roads, that's fine. I'll be on the other side of that dry waterfall. See ya when I get back........
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I see pokeys point. I keep my jeep stock because I feel it's capable and dependable as it is. But, I like jeeps with mods also so I wish I could afford 2. A daily and a toy. I understand jeepers altering their rigs but to alter it and depend on it as a DD is beyond me. Also I couldn't bring myself to alter a new one. I have to get one like The Chadwicks aka Captain Nemo and rebuild it. But I will wait to hear from Gumby and his view point.
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Agreed!!

Except the rational thinking part, sometimes I think and am pretty sure it has a mind of it's own, if it had opposable thumbs I think is would kick my A$$ for some of things I put it through.
Actually, I think it would write you a note saying "do it some more...."
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You've never been off-roading/mudding, have you?

If you want to keep it stock, that's cool...not everyone has any interest in getting super involved in the Jeep thing...kinda like some people have no interest in even waving back to fellow Jeepers. But if you've ever been off-roading/mudding...most folks lose the, "I'm going to keep it stock!" attitude pretty quickly. They want to make it even more capable of getting through that mud pit that everyone else gets stuck in, etc. And while getting stuck always leaves you with stories...sometimes being able to get through stuff WITHOUT getting stuck, leave you with better ones (plus it's less frustrating). I traded in a 4x4 Quad that I used primarily for mudding in order to purchase my Jeep...so while my Jeep is currently stock for the most part, it won't stay that way. Granted...I'll be staying with a pretty mild build as long as this thing is still being paid for and is my DD.
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Is this seriously rant-worthy? You're ranting about what other people do to their Jeeps? About how other people spend their time and money? About other people's problems? I must've missed the posts where people were forcing you to modify yours. If I didn't miss those posts, then quit ranting (aka complaining) because you're making yourself look foolish and insecure.
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I am almost at the close day of my house March 31st. that is why my Jeep is still stock. But after that, I will start saving my pennies again and do a small lift with 31's and a dual exhaust set up.
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Is this seriously rant-worthy? You're ranting about what other people do to their Jeeps? About how other people spend their time and money? About other people's problems? I must've missed the posts where people were forcing you to modify yours. If I didn't miss those posts, then quit ranting (aka complaining) because you're making yourself look foolish and insecure.
You missed the point of the whole post. Read it again. I know there are guys like Unlimited out there whom the post was NOT aimed at. It was aimed at the guys who modify there jeeps without doing any research, do it wrong, and then take up OUR time to ask the same things over and over about why this or that is happening without even taking the time to do a search first. Jerry has to be the most patient person on earth to calmly answer question after question, things that were asked the day before. And those guys seem to be the majority on this site. The guys who just like "the look". Thats who this was aimed at.
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You missed the point of the whole post. Read it again. I know there are guys like Unlimited out there whom the post was NOT aimed at. It was aimed at the guys who modify there jeeps without doing any research, do it wrong, and then take up OUR time to ask the same things over and over about why this or that is happening without even taking the time to do a search first. Jerry has to be the most patient person on earth to calmly answer question after question, things that were asked the day before. And those guys seem to be the majority on this site. The guys who just like "the look". Thats who this was aimed at.
Waaah.

Again, just don't respond to those posts if they bother you so much. We all appreciate the info Jerry gives to the site and I don't hear him complaining about it. Christ, I need to listen to my own advice because now YOU are taking up MY time with this whiney little thread.
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That's my preference in women too - no make-up, no tatoos, no aftermarket parts, and of course no clothes. And I do prefer the high performance types too.
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You missed the point of the whole post. Read it again. I know there are guys like Unlimited out there whom the post was NOT aimed at. It was aimed at the guys who modify there jeeps without doing any research, do it wrong, and then take up OUR time to ask the same things over and over about why this or that is happening without even taking the time to do a search first. Jerry has to be the most patient person on earth to calmly answer question after question, things that were asked the day before. And those guys seem to be the majority on this site. The guys who just like "the look". Thats who this was aimed at.
I apparently missed that part of your point too...I can agree with you to an extent on that. This forum is here for helping those people fix those mistakes...but it's also here for them to research the proper way to do things, which is what they should have done in the first place. It sure would make the discussions more worthwhile... I'm cool with n00bs asking simple questions. I asked some pretty stupid ones when I first signed up...and I've learned a ton...and I'm sure I'll ask more stupid ones as I begin working on my Jeep more. It's all a part of the learning process. But at the same time, people should also take the time to research things a little first...ie use the search feature and try to answer at least some of the basic questions and then if you didn't find the answer or you need more clarification, THEN post and ask.

Some days I want to slam my head on the desk when I repeatedly see, "Something's wrong with my Jeep! Every time I turn a corner, it bounces like crazy!" ...and in the end, it's because they were attempting to use their 4wd on dry pavement so they could get better traction after the light dusting of snow that wasn't even covering the roads.

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That's my preference in women too - no make-up, no tatoos, no aftermarket parts, and of course no clothes. And I do prefer the high performance types too.
Agreed!

One of my biggest fears is going to bed with a woman who wears make-up...and not knowing what kind of monster I may wake up next to in the morning.
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I am almost at the close day of my house March 31st. that is why my Jeep is still stock. But after that, I will start saving my pennies again and do a small lift with 31's and a dual exhaust set up.
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I apparently missed that part of your point too...I can agree with you to an extent on that. This forum is here for helping those people fix those mistakes...but it's also here for them to research the proper way to do things, which is what they should have done in the first place. It sure would make the discussions more worthwhile... I'm cool with n00bs asking simple questions. I asked some pretty stupid ones when I first signed up...and I've learned a ton...and I'm sure I'll ask more stupid ones as I begin working on my Jeep more. It's all a part of the learning process. But at the same time, people should also take the time to research things a little first...ie use the search feature and try to answer at least some of the basic questions and then if you didn't find the answer or you need more clarification, THEN post and ask.

Some days I want to slam my head on the desk when I repeatedly see, "Something's wrong with my Jeep! Every time I turn a corner, it bounces like crazy!" ...and in the end, it's because they were attempting to use their 4wd on dry pavement so they could get better traction after the light dusting of snow that wasn't even covering the roads.



Agreed!

One of my biggest fears is going to bed with a woman who wears make-up...and not knowing what kind of monster I may wake up next to in the morning.

That's why they make alcohol.
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That's why they make alcohol.
Alcohol wears off...even if you wake up and immediately pick up where you left off the night before, you've got at least half an hour of sitting there praying she doesn't wake up wanting..."something."
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O.K. everyone. If I had to re-write my original post I would have eliminated the helicopter part. I do know rock-crawling is serious stuff and I didn't mean to diss it. I'm an old school wheeler and back in the 70's I don't remember hearing the term "rock-crawling" and I did get all the offroad mags.
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O.K. everyone. If I had to re-write my original post I would have eliminated the helicopter part. I do know rock-crawling is serious stuff and I didn't mean to diss it. I'm an old school wheeler and back in the 70's I don't remember hearing the term "rock-crawling" and I did get all the offroad mags.
Don't knock it till you try it. I had an old school 60's Jeep and it amazed me what it did off road. I also trashed it in the process of finding out too. The '02 (in stock form) is simply amazing and blows away my old '65. Adding some simple - quality upgrades really raises the potential even more.

However, today there is so much available in the aftermarket world to make things better. That market simply did not exist in the 70's and 80's. There are many robust - engineered packages that rival stock specifications and capabilities.

This site is dedicated to helping people out, sharing information and experiences. Consider expanding your experiences and drive with a friend that has a capable rig. Take it through a boulder field at some OHV park and then let us know how you feel. You might surprise yourself and have a great time.
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I like to use my Jeep to explore places I would normally get to without 4wd. It seems that the more remote destination I get to the more I need something a bit more than stock. I started with my YJ with no lift and 31" tires. I have since given her a 4" lift, front locker, CB, recovery points, etc all in the name of getting a little further out there and back. Have any of my mods had a negative effect on my Jeep? Sure, I just flipped a shackle yesterday, but I had a ton of fun getting to that point. I will have a new spring hopefully very soon. My Jeep is not greatly modded, but someday it may be as I wish to get to that ever harder to reach spot.

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