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Old 12-17-2012, 01:10 PM   #31
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That sucks bro...hopefully you own it and its not financed!

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Old 12-17-2012, 07:16 PM   #32
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Your Jeep might tell you what's wrong by turning it on/off a few times without engaging the starter. Prob codes will display in the odometer. Maybe someone can chime in about which particular relay will keep the motor from running.

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Old 12-17-2012, 08:23 PM   #33
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Maybe try drying out the cylinders real good with an air hose, then try to start it, then pull the plugs and shine a light in there. If the injectors are shorted closed or clogged, it will still be dry in there. If the cylinders are wet, the injectors are working and you can scratch one more item off the possible list.

Try having someone spray starting fluid into the throttle body while you try to start it. If it catches, and then dies, the issue is with your fuel delivery. If it STILL won't catch, then you have a spark/compression issue.

Did you pull the valve cover and look at the rocker arms and valve stems? If you tried to start it with water in the cylinder, one of the valves may have jammed closed and bent lifters or stems. Or torqued the camshaft hard enough to skip the timing chain over a few teeth.

I'm not a mechanic here, just trying to throw out ideas,
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:11 PM   #34
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wow that sucks. nothing to offer other than sympothy
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:58 PM   #35
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I was thinking maybe jumped timing. Def wanna try the starter fluid and check compression tho.
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Old 12-18-2012, 03:34 PM   #36
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i check everyday to see if he got it going yet. i just want to know what the issue is
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Old 12-18-2012, 04:04 PM   #37
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I was just wondering if you tried starting it with starting fluid, and if you had checked it for codes using the key trick. I haven't had much time at work today to look for rollover relays or fuel shutoffs, I'll see what I can come up with. Was the battery knocked loose? There is a switch under the battery that will evidentally let the engine crank but not fire if it's not made up.
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:48 PM   #38
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We did try starting fluid numerous times. The last time we got some flame flash back up through the throttle body. I threw in the towel in terms of me being able to fix this. Looks like the insurance company is going to cover it, so they are suppose to pick it up tomorrow. I appreciate everyone's suggestions. I'm thinking now that there must be some internal damage. As soon as we get a diagnosis, I'll post it.
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Old 12-18-2012, 08:00 PM   #39
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Can I ask what you "told" the insurance company in order to get something like this covered? I'd like to know for the future....

I'm fascinated that if you take a high performance car and put it where it belongs on a racetrack, the insurance companies will deny you. But if a Jeep is damaged on the trail, they will cover it.
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Old 12-18-2012, 08:01 PM   #40
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Don't know if jeeps have this; pretty sure they do. There is a fuel relay switch that has a ball bearing in it. This switch is design so that when your in an accident the ball bearing dislodges and shuts the fuel off to prevent fuel fires . Just a thought .
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Old 12-19-2012, 09:38 AM   #41
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We did try starting fluid numerous times. The last time we got some flame flash back up through the throttle body. I threw in the towel in terms of me being able to fix this. Looks like the insurance company is going to cover it, so they are suppose to pick it up tomorrow. I appreciate everyone's suggestions. I'm thinking now that there must be some internal damage. As soon as we get a diagnosis, I'll post it.
Out of curiosity, did you check the codes? It's quick, free, and easy. Put the key in the ignition and turn to the "On" position (right before where you would turn it to start). Then go from On to Off 3 times and stop in the On position. It will display the codes where the odometer is. Take the number it shows you and ask here (they are different for different years), or for 1997-06 go to Jeep Wrangler Codes OBDII . There are one or two year(s) that the key trick doesn't work for, 2000's maybe, but will work in your 02.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:44 AM   #42
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It might be too late to help the OP, but I did some looking around for info on questions that were brought up in this thread because 1) it may help, and 2) I wanted to know, lol. I figure it's only a matter of time.

Anyway on the rollover valve question, the best answer I found was from JFM626 on JF-

"Upon further investigation, there are two rollover valves mounted on top of the fuel tank. their function is to stop fuel from leaking through the evap hoses in the event of a roll over; they do not shut off the fuel to the injectors. The automatic shut down relay is located in the Power Distribution Centre (under the hood).It supplies power to the ignition coils and the fuel injectors. It will shut down power to them if the key is in the run position for more then two seconds without the engine running, or if the crankshaft position sensor signal is lower than "predetermined values" . I can find no other reference to a fuel shut off."

Everything I could find about these rollover valves said that they go back to normal when the Jeep is back upright.

So I looked up more on the ASD relay (which may be part of the OP's issue) and found this post by Jerry Bransford-

"Try swapping the ASD (Auto Shut Down) relay with another of the same size. The ASD relay will shut everything down (fuel pump, ignition) if it isn't operational. The ASD relay is energized by the PCM once the PCM is happy with everything like the crank and camshaft position sensors. So if the PCM is unhappy with anything, or if the PCM is happy with everything but the ASD relay doesn't energize properly when the PCM tells it to,the engine won't start."

Hope this helps, at least it may give someone else an idea of what to look at first and save them from throwing money at parts. For the OP, I hope it's something as easy as a relay. If you hydrolocked your engine in 18" of water, it's got to be a record. I just can't see it running for 10 minutes with a bunch of broken internals. Good luck, and please let us know what you find out. I hope they don't take you for a ride on a new engine and just swap a relay and/or sensor(s).
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:10 PM   #43
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Harry, I wish I'd have asked more questions about the codes sooner. I didn't know how to do that. The rollback has already picked it up. I'll post what the diagnosis is.
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Harry, I wish I'd have asked more questions about the codes sooner. I didn't know how to do that. The rollback has already picked it up. I'll post what the diagnosis is.
Always feel free to ask questions on this forum, it has to be the most polite. I've seen much, much worse not get flamed around here. And hell, even if you did, someone would still give you the answer. Anyway, I would be sure to do the key trick whenever you get it back just to see if they left anything unfixed. I'm sure you'll get it the first time or two. Just turn it On to Off three times quickly stopping in the On position, I forgot to mention that there is a time limit earlier - nothing drastic. It will probably show more than one code. Some are harmless, so don't get worried if it shows a few of them. If it is running ok, disconnect the battery for a while (I usually go overnight), this will reset the codes. If they come back after a drive, then the problem still exists.
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Old 12-27-2012, 01:02 PM   #46
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Fuel, air, ignition if you're getting all of those and it's still not starting I would pull the heads and see if you're valves are ceased or stuck in some way
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Fuel, air, ignition if you're getting all of those and it's still not starting I would pull the heads and see if you're valves are ceased or stuck in some way
Why not do a compression text before pulling the head. If compression is good then it would save a lot of time pulling the head
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Why not do a compression text before pulling the head. If compression is good then it would save a lot of time pulling the head
Good point. Work smarter not harder
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:45 PM   #49
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Got the Jeep back today. They replaced the crankshaft position sensor, flushed out the exhaust system (still had a lot of water in it), and replaced the plugs again.

They removed the exhaust system at the manifold and used some kind of air dry system on it. They also said that the plugs I installed were now "washed" and replaced them. They tested the compression, fuel pressure & oil pressure. Does not appear to be any permanent damage to the engine. It's running great.

Thanks for all the input on this problem. Hopefully these posts will help somebody else with a similar problem.
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:46 PM   #50
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By the way, USAA is an awesome insurance company. We told the exactly what happened and they covered it. I've had them for over 20 years and they've never let me down.
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:51 PM   #51
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Good for you. Very glad to hear it! now don't do that again.
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Old 01-11-2013, 08:18 PM   #52
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Update: 4 days after bringing it home it began to leak a significant amount of oil at the rear of the engine. New rear main oil seal time. Another $400 and my daughter drove it back to Florida today.
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:02 AM   #53
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wow you all seem to know so much... my 97 wrangler wont start after I got a secondhand battery and started it right up run a few hours and then turned it off and on a few times,,,,and then nothing,,,,no crank but all lights are on but not nothing.... IM STUMPED I TRIED TO JUMP IT BUT NO GO....??? Im wondering if a relay or if starter is messed up. It has been sitting but fired right up with second hand battery....

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