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Old 01-15-2013, 09:59 AM   #1
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Has anyone used a rugged ridge winch? Are they reliable ? Also is a 8500 lbs winch enough for a 05 wrangle SE ? Or is better to just go big and have the extra lbs ?

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8000-9000 lbs is normal for a TJ

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I have a ramsey 9000 and it pulled a F350 out of the sand at Pismo beach in CA.
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Old 01-16-2013, 09:23 AM   #5
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8000-9500 is a good size for a Wrangler. I'd recommend staying away from the cheap winches. They will leave you stranded when you need it most! We only run Warn Winches on our shop rigs anymore.
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8000-9500 is a good size for a Wrangler. I'd recommend staying away from the cheap winches. They will leave you stranded when you need it most! We only run Warn Winches on our shop rigs anymore.
X2, Warn is all I will run. For those who don't think they can afford to buy such a high quality winch, just save up a little longer & you'll be happier in the end. I think many go cheap just because they want/need immediate gratification & can't wait & save a little longer to be able to afford better quality.

And just to confirm your likely suspicions, yes that Rugged Ridge winch is made in China. Just like Smittybilt's and all of of the other cheap winches.
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And just to confirm your likely suspicions, yes that Rugged Ridge winch is made in China. Just like Smittybilt's and all of of the other cheap winches.
What makes the chinese made winches so cheap?
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What makes the chinese made winches so cheap?
Cheap labor and outsourced parts
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How about the Quadratec Q series winches?
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What makes the chinese made winches so cheap?
Less overhead. No need to pay for a quality control department!


I thought I was saving money when I bought a Chinese winch. In less than 2 years, I knew I had actually wasted $299.00.
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:26 PM   #12
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Cheap labor and outsourced parts
The price of labor has nothing to do with quality. What outsourced parts are failing? If they are made in china where are they outsourcing to?
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The price of labor has nothing to do with quality. What outsourced parts are failing? If they are made in china where are they outsourcing to?
Price of labor does have to do with it. They have to pay people to assemble these which is most of the time in china and the parts that are assembled in china come from all different countries who produce that product. Look at the product guide it should say where the parts came from. It's simple economics whoever can produce that product at the cheapest cost does so
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Go with warn. You can get an entry level 8000-9500 vr series for 400-500 dollars if you keep checking sales. The VR series warn calls entry level, they are just as good as the high dollar ones but have slightly slower line speed. The most expensive warn winch, the power plant with a built in air compressor, has the internals of the VR entry level winch...
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How about the Quadratec Q series winches?
From China as well.
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Old 01-16-2013, 01:51 PM   #16
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Price of labor does have to do with it. They have to pay people to assemble these which is most of the time in china and the parts that are assembled in china come from all different countries who produce that product. Look at the product guide it should say where the parts came from. It's simple economics whoever can produce that product at the cheapest cost does so
We are not talking about economics. We are talking about quality. So which parts are of lesser quality?
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If you want to love Chinese winches & voice your opinion that they are the equal to a known-quality winch like from Warn, Kong, that is your right. However, that doesn't mean we have to listen or pay attention to your pro-Chinese winch ramblings.

Personally, I'm not going to bother paying attention to you or waste my time to argue back. There are just some opinions not worth my time to argue against.
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If you want to love Chinese winches & voice your apparent opinion that they are the equal to a known-quality winch like from Warn, Kong, that is your right. However, that doesn't mean we have to listen or pay attention to your ramblings.

Personally, I'm just not going to bother paying attention to you or waste my time to to argue back. There are just some opinions not worth the time of arguing against.
Where have i said chinese winches are equal to quality with warn? Dont be so sensitive. I dont have an opinion to either side, which is why in asking the questions. Im at the point where im researching my options.

On one side i read people saying only buy warn beause chinese winches are junk. On the other side im hearing people saying their chinese winches have held up fine for years. All i am asking is why. Hopefully people that have chosen a side did so for a good reason and not just because they read it on the internet
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It's clear what you're really doing & it's not simple research on which to go with that you're doing here. In my personal opinion, trolling would be a more accurate description.
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My wife bought me RC's 9500LB for our anniversary so I was not gonna turn that down!! But it is known as a chinese winch but has not let me down. Now, I do not use my winch as aggressive as people with high price winches might like using them to winch up steep aggressive hills and such but it has pulled me out of some bad situations. I think it comes down to how you will use it. Everyone out sources parts regardless how American they are. Parts are cheaper over seas and thats just the nature of the beast. Warn does so also and according to the e-mail I recieved from them when I asked, 2 of their winched are made in China but they are ATV sized winches, but they too said they outsource parts.
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I support America. I support our economy and its people. The added bonus of American products being longer lasting and better built is the icing on the cake.

Does anyone know if the engo winches are made in the USA?
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It's clear what you're really doing & it's not simple research on which to go with that you're doing here. Trolling would be a more accurate description.
What im doing is trying to get technical information from people throwing out blanket statements. What exacty is it you're doing?
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The reason I am going to go with a WARN xeon is because it is American made and built comes with a warranty, I've seen the factory's in china first hand working for state dept. the people who make this stuff get payed next to nothing and work 12 to 15 hour days no healthcare they usually live 10 to a room. How do you think there quality is after working that hard I would not have much incentive to build a quality product.

The warn VR 8000 $479 not that much more than a $400 china winch that most of that price will be going to the company's profit.

Get a warn
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I support America. I support our economy and its people. The added bonus of American products being longer lasting and better built is the icing on the cake.

Does anyone know if the engo winches are made in the USA?
Though Engo's complete name is Engo USA, their winches are all made in China.

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What exacty is it you're doing?
Calling out a troll when I see one.
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It's true, Jerry wasn't very tactful in this thread and is pretty arrogant when it comes to Warn winches vs. all others. But when it all comes down to it, his signature line is correct, "When you have a choice, buy American." Aside from the fact that it's hands down the highest quality winch too!

I was looking at those Q-tec winches and I think they've done a great job marketing them, but I am going to save a bit while longer and get a Warn.
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I did learn that a 8000-9000 lb winch will be all I need. Also thanks for the entertainment as well. I will ponder longer about what I will really need it for. Happy jeeping to all.
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Though Engo's complete name is Engo USA, their winches are all made in China.

Calling out a troll when I see one.
Of course I sound like a troll to you. Its obvious i've hit a nerve.

Anyways, to the rest of you open minded people. Im starting to think winch technology has not advanced very much in the last few years which is why all these new companies have caught up are able to make a winch that can compete
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Its obvious i've hit a nerve.
You overestimate yourself Kong, don't give yourself credit where none is due.
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Of course I sound like a troll to you. Its obvious i've hit a nerve.

Anyways, to the rest of you open minded people. Im starting to think winch technology has not advanced very much in the last few years which is why all these new companies have caught up are able to make a winch that can compete
"Made in china" and "quality" aren't exactly synonymous.

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