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Old 10-22-2009, 09:36 AM   #1
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can you hook a wich up to a regular jeep wrangler tj bumper if you have a winch plate?

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Old 10-22-2009, 09:40 AM   #2
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very short answer.

YES !

You only need 4 stronger 1/2" bolts that attach the stock bumper to the frame at the upper side.

Selfmade winch plate on stock bumper:


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yes, it takes place of one of the bumper mounting bolts and then a second in the rear. Your plate shoul be drilled for them. You can bolt your tow hooks back on also. at least that is how it worked on my '01.
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Just to clarify, the winch mounting plate is held to the frame by four Grade 5 or Grade 8 bolts that pass through the bumper into the frame, two bolts on either side. Many of the mounts also have a pair of bolts in the rear near the grill but they are not structural, they only go into some sheet metal that can be stripped out if overtightened.

All TJs are the same where a winch mount is concerned and with the exception of some tube bumpers, a winch mounting plate can be installed on nearly any bumper type, OE or aftermarket. It's not the bumper that holds the winch in place, it's the four main winch mounting plate bolts that pass through the bumper to the frame below that actually secure the winch to the Jeep.
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With two more bolts in the rear my winch blate woudnīt bent...





And after enforcing it itīs bent a little bit again after a Unimog pulled me out a mudhole with nearly full throttle.

BTW I didnīt trust the small nuts that were welded to the inside of the frome and I welded some real big nuts there.
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With a better design/better quality winch plate, it wouldn't have bent with or without those rear non-structural bolts. Those rear bolts are in sheet metal, non-structural, and not designed to do anything but hold the antiswaybar mounting bracket in place.
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Old 10-22-2009, 03:15 PM   #7
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Itīs a 3/8" RC winch plate.
Is there a better plate thatīs a bit higher like this plate?
The winch isnīt allowed to be a bit in front of the bumper over here. Thatīs why I need a plate that lifts the rar of the winch over the swa bar.
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Itīs a 3/8" RC winch plate.
Is there a better plate thatīs a bit higher like this plate?
The winch isnīt allowed to be a bit in front of the bumper over here. Thatīs why I need a plate that lifts the rar of the winch over the swa bar.
Trust me Nicolas-Eric, your RC winch plate is not 3/8", it is 3/16" at the most. It bent, not something I've ever seen on a decent winch mounting plate before.

Warn's winch mounting plate mounts the winch higher like what you have but I prefer to keep my winch mounted low & close to the frame which reduces the leverage the winch has which prevents problems like you had. Tomken makes a winch mounting plate that mounts the winch lower so it doesn't have as much leverage against everything. That's what I used to use until I got an AtoZ front bumper with an integrated winch mount.
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But that isnīt street legal over here. With a flat winch plate the aluminum fairlead would be a bit in front of the bumper.

Whatīs about these plates?
Winch Mount Plate by Body ArmorÂŪ and Other Jeep Parts and Jeep Accessories by 4 Wheel Drive Hardware
Winch Plate by Smittybilt and Other Jeep Parts and Jeep Accessories by 4 Wheel Drive Hardware

They look a bit like the plate I have.
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Check out the Warn plate, it mounts it high enough so it should be legal in Germany. Smittybilt's looks like it would work too but it's made in China, I avoid buying Chinese products as much as possible.
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With two more bolts in the rear my winch blate woudnīt bent...





And after enforcing it itīs bent a little bit again after a Unimog pulled me out a mudhole with nearly full throttle.

BTW I didnīt trust the small nuts that were welded to the inside of the frome and I welded some real big nuts there.
I think it was the chrome grill that caused that!

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I think it was the chrome grill that caused that!

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No, we know what caused that. Nicolas tried to pull a BIG stump right out of the ground.
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Old 10-23-2009, 06:05 AM   #13
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That stump wasnīt very big. My small '59 Porsche tractor pulled it out wihout a problem.
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In order not to open a new thread, I will post here two questions:
- does anybpdy know the T-Max winch plates for Jeep - are they of any good?
- how can you secure the winch (not to get scared and run by night) It seems that one (rough) solution is to weld (just one small welding point on each of the screws) the fixing screws, but this means that you will have to use a grinder every time you need to take the wich out (for repairs, revision etc). Are there any other means?
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Popa,
To clarify, are you concerned about theft of the winch?
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To clarify, are you concerned about theft of the winch?
Yes.
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Old 10-26-2009, 09:44 AM   #17
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@*popa:

are you talking about the T-Max winches and winch plates that are sold at ebay here in Europe? That are all very cheap chinese products with only a T-Max sticker on it.




btw. with a flat winch plate itīs hard to reach the 4 bolts with that the winch is mounted to the winch plate.
I wouldnīt secure these bolts with a little welding point.
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I'm talking about T-Max winche plates (and winch, also) sold by a local importer. This is the winch plate I was talking about: T-max.ro jeep_winch_mount Trolii Accesorii off road Accesorii troliu Troliu manual Protectie troliu manual Compresor portabil Kit Accesorii Carlig de remorcare
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Looks like the same cheap chineses stuff they sell here in Germany:

12 Volt OFFROAD SEILWINDE T - Max EW 9500 SONDERAKTION bei eBay.de: Pkw-AnhÃĪnger Ersatzteile (endet 30.10.09 15:17:27 MEZ)

In my opnion thatīsīnot worth the money.
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They are quite popular in Romania, and I know a lot of people that is using (and abusing) them on the trail or for car platforms and they are very happy with them (I've seen few of them in action, in competitions, and they seems to be OK). They are made in China, that's right, but they seem to be significantly better than Horn, Golden Winch, etc.
I agre that Warn, Superwinch, Ramsey or Mile Marker might be better winches than T-Max, but the price is much higher, too.
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Check out the Warn plate, it mounts it high enough so it should be legal in Germany. Smittybilt's looks like it would work too but it's made in China, I avoid buying Chinese products as much as possible.

Here is the one I have, but it is for an 8274.. I realize that Warn products are more expensive than most, but you have to understand what you are buying is a quality product. When you spend your hard earned money twice on and inferior product it become more expensive that purchasing a warn product once.. Not to mention your wasted time installing and reinstalling.. Yeah, I've been there before!

Warn is an exceptional company to deal with..
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