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Old 11-11-2010, 10:58 AM   #1
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winch?

im thinking about a winch for my jeep, i have and ARB bumper that will fit one in perfectly. anyone got any advice? should i get rope or cable. give me any advice you got.

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I've never winched myself out, but I have winched 2 others out. I went wire rope, and when that finally wears out (if ever) I'll move to synthetic. I'm to damn cheap to remove new wire rope to put on synthetic.

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i got ya i would be too, im looking at synthetic think thats what im gonna go for.
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Go with a warn they work very hard
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Are you wondering about which winch to buy or just if you want a rope or cable? For some reason I end up using my winch a lot and the synthetic rope is soooooooooo nice.

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im thinking about a winch for my jeep, i have and ARB bumper that will fit one in perfectly. anyone got any advice? should i get rope or cable. give me any advice you got.
I went with the smitybuilty xrc8...less expensive than the warn but it works well.

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Warn is the best winch on the market hands down, plus their stuff is made in the USA. I have a superwinch which I am happy with, but the more and more that I see the warn's the more I regret not getting one.
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Old 11-11-2010, 03:19 PM   #8
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Warn also has a good warranty.
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Warn M8000 - $540 with wire rope. That's what I'm going with this spring.
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I am also looking at winches for a purchase with in the next couple of weeks.
After taking into consideration how often I may actually need the winch, I am going to go with the lesser priced Smittybilt or Superwinch 8K with wire. I would only need it for assisting me if I get stuck along the trail into our place to feed the Longhorn in the winter sloppy clay mud after a rain or rare snow fall. I will also have to purchase a tow anchor due to the lack trees to winch on to.
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If you're still shopping around, look at Mile Marker. I've had nothing but good luck with their hydraulic winches. They pull all day and don't heat up.
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Does anyone know the weight difference between cable vs. synthetic rope?

I've been trying to decide which way to go, and I'm wondering if the synthetic would be a waste for me, since I doubt I'll use it much.
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Alot, rope is prolly 1/4 the weight
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Does anyone know the weight difference between cable vs. synthetic rope?
After a little searching, I found this:

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5/16" x 100' of Steel Cable weights 18 lbs vs. 2.7 lbs for Synthetic, saving 15.3 lbs.
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5/16" x 125' of Steel Cable weights 22.5 lbs vs. 3.375 lbs for Synthetic, saving 19.1 lbs.
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5/16" x 150' of Steel Cable weights 27 lbs vs. 4 lbs for Synthetic, saving 23 lbs.
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3/8" x 100' of Steel Cable weights 26 lbs vs. 3.6 lbs for Synthetic, saving 22.4 lbs.

Also by switching from a stock roller fairlead that weighs about 13 lbs vs. the Aluminum Fairlead that weighs in under a pound you will reduce the weight by about 12 lbs.
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im thinking about a winch for my jeep, i have and ARB bumper that will fit one in perfectly. anyone got any advice? should i get rope or cable. give me any advice you got.

Which ARB bumper did you go with? I'm looking trying to decide between
ARB and LOD.
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Synthetic takes maintance. Depending on where you live and how you wheel. If you talk to the companys that make the rope they say 95% of the people that own synthetic don't unspool and clean the rope. The wet and grit will tear the rope up just from vibrating on daily driving
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StreetSideAuto.com has a special going on - not sure when it ends. Use coupon code, "SAVE10", to take 10% off your entire order. I bought a Warn M8000 with the advertised price of $539.95. With 10% off the price came to $485.96 plus no sales tax and free shipping. Then go to the Warn website and get the $25.00 rebate and your final cost is $460.96!
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i got the ARB Deluxe Winch Bull Bar Bumper in Black for 97-06 Jeep, its on quadratec. type in ARB bumper and its the second one down.
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I think I'll try rope and switch to an aluminum hawse. My current cable hasn't been used even once yet though so I'm going to wait till it gets gnarly before switching.
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just on a side note, if you go with steel cable, spool it all the way out and paint the last 5' or so. this way you know when you are approaching the end of the spool.
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just on a side note, if you go with steel cable, spool it all the way out and paint the last 5' or so. this way you know when you are approaching the end of the spool.
That is a nifty idea you got there.
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On one of the trails at this year's Bethel Jeep Jamboree in Maine, trail guide with a brand new winch with synthetic line was pulling up a rocky slide...and the new synthetic line just plumb frayed out on him! Snapped right in half...needless to say, he and the rest of us were not impressed with synthetic lines now!
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After a little searching, I found this:

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5/16" x 100' of Steel Cable weights 18 lbs vs. 2.7 lbs for Synthetic, saving 15.3 lbs.
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5/16" x 125' of Steel Cable weights 22.5 lbs vs. 3.375 lbs for Synthetic, saving 19.1 lbs.
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5/16" x 150' of Steel Cable weights 27 lbs vs. 4 lbs for Synthetic, saving 23 lbs.
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3/8" x 100' of Steel Cable weights 26 lbs vs. 3.6 lbs for Synthetic, saving 22.4 lbs.

Also by switching from a stock roller fairlead that weighs about 13 lbs vs. the Aluminum Fairlead that weighs in under a pound you will reduce the weight by about 12 lbs.

Great info! Thanks for posting this

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just on a side note, if you go with steel cable, spool it all the way out and paint the last 5' or so. this way you know when you are approaching the end of the spool.
That's a very handy idea!
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On one of the trails at this year's Bethel Jeep Jamboree in Maine, trail guide with a brand new winch with synthetic line was pulling up a rocky slide...and the new synthetic line just plumb frayed out on him! Snapped right in half...needless to say, he and the rest of us were not impressed with synthetic lines now!
frayed out, meaning it touched a rock and frayed? Thats the down side with rope. Under tension and just one tiny contact with a rock or boulder and it is toast. I've seen it happen but for some reason I still want to try it. lol. Lots of rope sheathing
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On one of the trails at this year's Bethel Jeep Jamboree in Maine, trail guide with a brand new winch with synthetic line was pulling up a rocky slide...and the new synthetic line just plumb frayed out on him! Snapped right in half...needless to say, he and the rest of us were not impressed with synthetic lines now!
One frayed line in an individual's experience does not condemn the otherwise sterling reputation for good quality properly-sized synethetic rope. And if I were a betting man, I'm betting his "brand new winch with synthetic line" was probably one of the Chinese-made Smittybilt winches that comes with synthetic who-knows-what quality synthetic rope that was of course also made in China.

Good quality synthetic rope that is sized appropriately for the winch and recovery job has a woven sheath that covers and protects the load bearing part of the rope it it that is highly effective in protecting the rope against abrasion. There is NO WAY that a single pull against the rocks is going to abrade through a good quality synthetec rope. NO WAY. I wheel nearly exclusively in the rocks and we often have to drag the ropes over rocks and never once have I seen or experienced a snapped synthetic rope.

If anyone is clamining a new good quality synthetic rope snapped during one use merely because it was rubbing on some rocks, that's either a crock, someone's imagination, the rope was defective, someone was smoking dope, or it didn't happen the way someone thinks it did.

The entire pro competitive rock crawling circuit runs exclusively synthetic ropes and they certainly wouldn't be running 100% synthetic ropes if there was ANY problem with them. Period.
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Arb bumper/ viper winch

The winch is great, sure it's probably Chinese bs but the company backs there product up 100%

If anything were to happen to it they would replace it free of charge
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Arb bumper/ viper winch

The winch is great, sure it's probably Chinese bs but the company backs there product up 100%

If anything were to happen to it they would replace it free of charge
That's of no comfort when a cheap Chinese winch craps out on the trail and you're unable to extract yourself. When you base a purchase on a warranty and not quality, buy two.
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If you have the money go synthetic, but make sure ultra high quality MasterPull XD.
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If you have the money go synthetic, but make sure ultra high quality MasterPull XD.
There are several other high quality brands as well, Viking is another that has a very good reputation. Viking Offroad
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Ramsey is a fine made in USA winch. Have used one for over 25 years and would buy another.

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