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Old 09-01-2010, 12:32 PM   #1
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Hey guys I am new over here but not to forums. I have only minor-moderate off-road knowledge. My question is probably stupid but please bear with me. Would a 3000lb warn winch be sufficient for my 2002 TJ. I don't have much in the way of mods and I weigh in around 3500-4000 lbs. I know alone it is not enough but what if I used a snatch block with it. Then it would basically be a 6000lb winch. I realize that an 8000lb winch would be best but if this one would work until I could afford a larger one later on then that would be great as I can get the 3000lb one for 50 bucks today in good working condition. Thanks guys. Oh, and be gentle please.

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Winches have gotten way bigger in the past few years, with lots of people sporting 12k winches. I think that's silly.

But 3k is too small.

That weight maximum is the optimal amount of pull, and is measured with a small amount of cable, under optimal circumstances. You won't really get the full amount.
Add in trying to pull yourself backwards, in mud, uphill, and it might not do the job.

Yes, you can add a snatch block/winch and double the line back. You'll end up pull twice as far, but at about half the resistance (if I remember those physics lessons). And that way you can make it work in many situations.

BUT I'd still get a 5k or bigger winch. You'll be happier in the long run.


PS: My old CJ has a vintage 4k winch on it. I like it, but guys at work make fun of it. Personally, I think that says more about them than it does about my winch.

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Yep a 3K winch is not even close to being big enough. The universally accepted range of pulling capacity for a winch suitable for a Wrangler is 8,000 to 9,500 lbs. And the bigger the winch's capacity, the less power it requires from the battery at any given load.
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You can get away with a good 6K

But a Warn 8274 is as good as it gets
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Old 09-01-2010, 12:57 PM   #5
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Buy it for the $50 and sell it to someone with a quad for twice what you paid. Seems like it would be worth a hell of a lot more than $50. Then you've got some more cash to play with, or spend on beer.
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You can get away with a good 6K
A 6K winch isn't typically thought of as being adequate for offroad use for a Wrangler. Especially that it requires so much more amperage at a typical load than a larger like 8K to 9.5K winch does. You won't find a 6K winch on the front of many experienced offroading Wrangler owner's bumpers. There have been more than a few situations I've been in that strained even my 9.5K Warn winch.
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I've been around winches and offroading all of my life....ran an M6 for 10 years with no issues at all...just like my 8274's better.
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No one who was ever using a winch in a tough situation ever said they wished they had bought a smaller capacity winch.

Not to mention that when pulling the same 6,000 lb. load, the M6000 requires a whopping 465 amps while the XD9000 only requires 330 amps at the same load. The smaller 6K winch requires 135 more amps at the same 6K load than the larger 9K capacity winch does.
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That's why the 8274 is the best bang for the buck...been around for 40+ years in one config or another...cheap to buy...easy to work on....and the fastest winch ever made. And even though they are rated at 8K, they will pull twice that easy
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No one who was ever using a winch in a tough situation ever said they wished they had bought a smaller capacity winch.
I wouldn't argue with that, but you (especially you ) are old enough to remember when the standard winch for a Jeep was 5 or 6k.

You know, back when 33" was a big tire. And there were dinosaurs roaming the trails.
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lol dad says back when I fell off my horse and broke my wooden underwear
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That's why the 8274 is the best bang for the buck...been around for 40+ years in one config or another...cheap to buy...easy to work on....and the fastest winch ever made. And even though they are rated at 8K, they will pull twice that easy

I had a Warn 5271 on a '69 Chevy 4x4......remember those?


They had a control panel inside the cab with 3 control handles.....one was a push button momentary switch to power the winch......one was to engage/disengage the winch, and one was a T handle...you pulled it out, and twisted it to lock the brake on the winch.

The winch itself had a "drum brake".......it only powered IN, or free wheeled, or you set the "brake" to hold a load.....



Ahhhh, memories......
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I had a Warn 3000# on a Yamaha Rhino........it was barely enough......
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There have been more than a few situations I've been in that strained even my 9.5K Warn winch.
Yup, I really put my 9.5 to the test a few times before. I got it hot and tired more than once on long heavy pulls.

That's why I wasn't opposed to the NIB 12k winch that presented itself to me at the same price I could have bought a 9k winch for. I jumped on it... it's bigger, runs cooler and has air cooling. Is it too big? Maybe, but how can it be wrong if it feels so right?
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XD9000i. Bulletproof and pretty quick.
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Yup, I really put my 9.5 to the test a few times before. I got it hot and tired more than once on long heavy pulls.

That's why I wasn't opposed to the NIB 12k winch that presented itself to me at the same price I could have bought a 9k winch for. I jumped on it... it's bigger, runs cooler and has air cooling. Is it too big? Maybe, but how can it be wrong if it feels so right?


I have packed mud on a Rawson Koenig PTO winch to slow down an oil leak......
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Thanks for the replies guys. I knew the standard was a 8000+ but thought I might could get away with it for a little while at that price. But that's ok. I will keep trolling craigslist. They pop up on there periodically. Thanks again for the input.
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I had a Warn 5271 on a '69 Chevy 4x4......remember those?


They had a control panel inside the cab with 3 control handles.....one was a push button momentary switch to power the winch......one was to engage/disengage the winch, and one was a T handle...you pulled it out, and twisted it to lock the brake on the winch.

The winch itself had a "drum brake".......it only powered IN, or free wheeled, or you set the "brake" to hold a load.....



Ahhhh, memories......
Yep, just dont remember the number lol....pretty much the same as a 8274 but was only power in...right?
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If I remember right, that 5271 was like a predecessor to the 8274, just a little more archaic.

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Still yet, that design is the best they ever made....hands down

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