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Old 04-16-2013, 04:39 PM   #1
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Winch swap

Tossing around the idea of getting rid of my smittybilt xrc10 and picking up a warn vr8000..the smittybilt works fine and is less than a year old..what do you think is a good price to ask for it?

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50% of what a new one would cost.

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Just curious, why would you swap for a VR? If I was going to do it I would opt for the M8000 at a minimum.

IIRC the VR series is Chinese as well...
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So the vr's are made in china? Or use china made parts? I thought all warn winches were tested and built in oregon?
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I was told to buy the Smitty if I was considering the VR. Same person strongly recommended the M8000 at the sane time. I an picking my Warn up tomorrow.
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The VR8000 is imported from China, Warn's VR10000 and VR12000 are made in the U. S. in Oregon. All three include Warn's lifetime warranty.
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Looks like ill be setting my sights on an m8000 then. What do u think is a fair price for my xrc10, winch plate, and cover? 275-300?
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Looks like ill be setting my sights on an m8000 then. What do u think is a fair price for my xrc10, winch plate, and cover? 275-300?
That might be optimistic; covers are cheap, winch plates can be had for cheap and many have bumpers that have built-in winch plates, and the XRC10 only costs around $399 brand new.

You could list it that high and lower the price as needed, no harm in that. But anyone who knows what they're buying should know not to pay $300 for a used Smittybilt winch. I only paid $400 for a lightly used Warn XD9000, and I almost had a Warn 9.5TI for $400 the other day.
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But anyone who knows what they're buying should know not to pay $300 for a used Smittybilt winch. I only paid $400 for a lightly used Warn XD9000, and I almost had a Warn 9.5TI for $400 the other day.
X2 on all that.
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The VR8000 is imported from China, Warn's VR10000 and VR12000 are made in the U. S. in Oregon. All three include Warn's lifetime warranty.

Jerry, I know that you hate the Chinese winches, but to your point about the possibility of them leaving you stranded on the trail, Warn's lifetime winch warranty isn't going to do you a bit of good while you’re stranded on the side of a hill, so if you're against Chinese winches, then the "Warn" Chinese winch isn't any better than the HF, Smittybuilt, or any other foreign made winch for dependability.
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It appears your real point is more to try to get a rise out of me... my main issue with Chinese winches is the fact we're sending $$$ to China whenever we buy Chinese products. Better would be to send our $$$ to American manufacturers to help keep our economy from tanking any worse than it is which also helps keep more Americans employed. That I don't believe Chinese winch quality is the equal to ours is just another reason I won't buy a Chinese made winch no matter who's brand is on the label.

I make conscious decisions every day to buy American products whenever and wherever possible. It's too bad some only care about who's price is the cheapest.
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It appears your real point is more to try to get a rise out of me... my main issue with Chinese winches is the fact we're sending $$$ to China whenever we buy Chinese products. Better would be to send our $$$ to American manufacturers to help keep our economy from tanking any worse than it is which also helps keep more Americans employed. That I don't believe Chinese winch quality is the equal to ours is just another reason I won't buy a Chinese made winch no matter who's brand is on the label.

I make conscious decisions every day to buy American products whenever and wherever possible. It's too bad some only care about who's price is the cheapest.
^this... If I have the choice I try to buy American, even if being a high school kid with a small budget may make it hard sometimes
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In addition to making solid products Warn is local to me, which is always a plus in my book. I found a completely rebuilt 8274 in great shape on my local Craigslist for $895. I wish I could make a move on it, but I can't. Portland Oregon CL for anyone who's interested.

I don't know what a used smittybuilt winch is worth. You could search for them on eBay and Craigslist to see how yours compares to other used ones and adjust your asking price accordingly.
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Jerry, I know that you hate the Chinese winches, but to your point about the possibility of them leaving you stranded on the trail, Warn's lifetime winch warranty isn't going to do you a bit of good while you’re stranded on the side of a hill, so if you're against Chinese winches, then the "Warn" Chinese winch isn't any better than the HF, Smittybuilt, or any other foreign made winch for dependability.
In my opinion, it has little to do with Warn's excellent warranty, and more with the fact that by buying Warn you're hopefully getting a more dependable winch that won't let you down in the first place. I can't speak on behalf of the Chinese vr8000 because I have no personal experience with that model, but it certainly holds true for the others.

In the end, everyone will have their opinion as to what's the best; I jut don't see the point in buying cheaper winches when you can find quality name brand winches lightly used for the same amount of money.
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In addition to making solid products Warn is local to me, which is always a plus in my book. I found a completely rebuilt 8274 in great shape on my local Craigslist for $895. I wish I could make a move on it, but I can't. Portland Oregon CL for anyone who's interested.

I don't know what a used smittybuilt winch is worth. You could search for them on eBay and Craigslist to see how yours compares to other used ones and adjust your asking price accordingly.
Hmmmm,,, 3 years ago I picked up a 6 mos old XRC8 for 100 bucks... So far so good, eventually it will be a good boat anchor after I find a really good steal on a Warn. So, to the OP, they are only worth about 1/3 what they sold for new.
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Hmmmm,,, 3 years ago I picked up a 6 mos old XRC8 for 100 bucks... So far so good, eventually it will be a good boat anchor after I find a really good steal on a Warn. So, to the OP, they are only worth about 1/3 what they sold for new.
Hmm maybe I'll hook one of my buddies up that need a winch.. Can never go wrong with having a bunch of winches in your group. If I keep my winch plate can I bolt the m8000 or any other warn winch to it? I have the raised smittybilt one that the rollers bolt to it
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If I keep my winch plate can I bolt the m8000 or any other warn winch to it? I have the raised smittybilt one that the rollers bolt to it
Pretty much any standard winch except for the Warn 8274 should bolt up to that winch plate.
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In my opinion, it has little to do with Warn's excellent warranty, and more with the fact that by buying Warn you're hopefully getting a more dependable winch that won't let you down in the first place. I can't speak on behalf of the Chinese vr8000 because I have no personal experience with that model, but it certainly holds true for the others.

In the end, everyone will have their opinion as to what's the best; I jut don't see the point in buying cheaper winches when you can find quality name brand winches lightly used for the same amount of money.
I wish I would have bought a warn in the first place. If I buy a warn it will be my 3rd winch in a year. I started off with a mile marker that died in the woods leaving me in a very tough situation. Then I got the smittybilt for a great price off a buddy that used it for less than 10 minutes. I just wish I'd saved all that money and bought a quality winch the first time around..and nothing against smittybilt or mile marker just my 2cents
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i would be interested in the winch if your looking to sell it I'm in 19426
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i would be interested in the winch if your looking to sell it I'm in 19426
No, not just yet, saving up my nickels, winch is low on priority list. Going to Moab in sept, and hopefully have enough scratch together to buy a parcel of land to build on.. This shittybilt will have to do until we get moved out there..
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It appears your real point is more to try to get a rise out of me... my main issue with Chinese winches is the fact we're sending $$$ to China whenever we buy Chinese products. Better would be to send our $$$ to American manufacturers to help keep our economy from tanking any worse than it is which also helps keep more Americans employed. That I don't believe Chinese winch quality is the equal to ours is just another reason I won't buy a Chinese made winch no matter who's brand is on the label.

I make conscious decisions every day to buy American products whenever and wherever possible. It's too bad some only care about who's price is the cheapest.
Not at all, Jerry. I've relied on your advice many times. I was simply making the statement that the name Warn doesn't mean any more if it's on a Chinese winch than the name Craftsman on a Chinese wrench. I'm for buying American too, but when everyone seems to be getting their products made by Chinese and sticking their American name on it, the whole warranty thing means everything. I don't buy extended warranties on anything because I feel that the warranty tells everything about the product. If I see an item that has a 3 year warranty and a very comparable item that has a 1 year warranty, that tells me that the one with the 1 year, will most likely play out in just about that length of time.

Be assured again, although I've posted to get a rise out of some clowns, I value your expertise too much to do that.

I might also add that I would love to find a great deal on a used Warn winch, but to settle for a less expensive (ok, cheaper) winch is what I did just to get some recovery on my front bumper.
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Even when you buy American brand products that are made in china you still support American jobs and the American economy. These companies outsource to china because the Chinese factory workers make penny's compared to the American factory worker. Even though there aren't any factory jobs in America they still employ thousands of Americans from they're warehouses to office jobs such as business development. And most importantly the company pays American taxes. Buying a "Chinese made" product does not negatively affect our economy.
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Even when you buy American brand products that are made in china you still support American jobs and the American economy. These companies outsource to china because the Chinese factory workers make penny's compared to the American factory worker. Even though there aren't any factory jobs in America they still employ thousands of Americans from they're warehouses to office jobs such as business development. And most importantly the company pays American taxes. Buying a "Chinese made" product does not negatively affect our economy.
An entry level course in macro or micro economics would prove that naive view of things wrong, the majority of the $$$ spent for a Chinese made winch still flows out of the U.S. into the Chinese economy. $$$ that flows out of a nation's economy negatively affects its economy in more ways than most people would suspect, especially our balance of payments. Some economists refer to it as an economic leak in the boat.

Here's just one short non-technical article that talks about the economic harm of buying foreign goods... http://www.ecoevaluator.com/lifestyl...ted-goods.html
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An entry level course in macro or micro economics would prove that naive view of things wrong, the majority of the $$$ spent for the winch still flows out of the U.S. into the Chinese economy. $$$ that flows out of a nation's economy negatively affects its economy in more ways than most people would suspect, especially our balance of payments. Some economists refer to it as an economic leak in the boat.
Agreed Jerry,,, that guy is drinking way too much red kool-aide. Thankfully his economic views do not reflect the majority of economic views be they left or right...
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Hmm maybe I'll hook one of my buddies up that need a winch.. Can never go wrong with having a bunch of winches in your group. If I keep my winch plate can I bolt the m8000 or any other warn winch to it? I have the raised smittybilt one that the rollers bolt to it
I am running a smitty raised plate with my m8000.
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Agreed! That's a good thing. I've had my Jeep a few years longer than my cart. Love them both.
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What is that, a 2000# winch that goes on an ATV? It looks like a knat on an elephant's butt.

Seems Warn has discontinued that one.
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What is that, a 2000# winch that goes on an ATV? It looks like a knat on an elephant's butt.

Seems Warn has discontinued that one.
Yup, 2.5ci. Suckdown winch.

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