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Old 10-07-2012, 05:59 PM   #31
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nice. thanks man!

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Old 10-09-2012, 09:00 AM   #33
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Not cheapin out. Just want to pay for quality. Not a name.
I have the waterproof x2o 8,000k smittybilt winch and have put it through hell and back and then back to hell...

I have ran it with it underwater and covered in mud so bad you can't even tell it is a winch lol!!! It comes with a lifetime warranty and I use it like it does....

So if it has China parts inside, they seem to be holding up well to the abuse....
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Okey made up my mind. Now warn 8000 or 10000
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Okey made up my mind. Now warn 8000 or 10000
Good decision! The 8,000 is more than up to winching you or your buddy's rigs, but the 10,000 will draw slightly less power at the same pull than the 8,000 will. The 8,000 is also more than capable of dragging you in the dirt if the vehicle you're recovering with it is really stuck so don't think it's underpowered in anyway.

Personally, I'd probably go with the 8,000 lb. model and use the $$$ savings to put synthetic rope on it.
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Good decision! The 8,000 is more than up to winching you or your buddy's rigs, but the 10,000 will draw slightly less power at the same pull than the 8,000 will. The 8,000 is also more than capable of dragging you in the dirt if the vehicle you're recovering with it is really stuck so don't think it's underpowered in anyway.

Personally, I'd probably go with the 8,000 lb. model and use the $$$ savings to put synthetic rope on it.
Or just go with the VR-8000s that has synthetic on it already.
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Good decision! The 8,000 is more than up to winching you or your buddy's rigs, but the 10,000 will draw slightly less power at the same pull than the 8,000 will. The 8,000 is also more than capable of dragging you in the dirt if the vehicle you're recovering with it is really stuck so don't think it's underpowered in anyway.

Personally, I'd probably go with the 8,000 lb. model and use the $$$ savings to put synthetic rope on it.
I did the same minus the synth rope.
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Went by the 4Wheel Parts store today to see how good the sale was.....got a screamin deal on it and couldn't pass on it.

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Sweet setup, good decision! Hey just a little FYI on that Safety Thimble you so wisely added to your rope setup... the Safety Thimble was designed by none other than Blaine Johnson aka Black Magic Brakes.
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Factor 55 makes a nice thimble too
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Yep there are growing number of copies of Blaine's Safety Thimble design.
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Sweet setup, good decision! Hey just a little FYI on that Safety Thimble you so wisely added to your rope setup... the Safety Thimble was designed by none other than Blaine Johnson aka Black Magic Brakes.

Thanks Jerry, I had read that Blaine had designed the thimble.
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Factor 55 makes a nice thimble too
Only thing I don't care for with that design is you can't fit the entire shackle/D-ring through the thimble; only the pin will fit. They claim it's to prevent side-loading the shackle, but I'd rather put the responsibility on me for preventing that and have the ability to keep with the least amount of connections rule. Blaine's thimble is a bit nicer in that regard.
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Only thing I don't care for with that design is you can't fit the entire shackle/D-ring through the thimble; only the pin will fit. They claim it's to prevent side-loading the shackle, but I'd rather put the responsibility on me for preventing that and have the ability to keep with the least amount of connections rule. Blaine's thimble is a bit nicer in that regard.
The pin is the only thing that fits through the thimble, on both designs. You don't put the whole shackle through the hole. All the load should be on the pin, with your connecting strap going through the D ring.
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The pin is the only thing that fits through the thimble, on both designs.
I could be wrong, but I don't think this is correct; on Blaine's design the entire shackle fits through. The only reason I know this is from actually talking with him about it. If I can find the thread where he explained all of this I'll link it.
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The pin is the only thing that fits through the thimble, on both designs. You don't put the whole shackle through the hole. All the load should be on the pin, with your connecting strap going through the D ring.
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I could be wrong, but I don't think this is correct; on Blaine's design the entire shackle fits through. The only reason I know this is from actually talking with him about it. If I can find the thread where he explained all of this I'll link it.
I was correct; start reading at this post and finish the thread. You should understand then:

Replace Winch Hook with Bow Shackle? - Page 4 - JeepForum.com

And keep in mind the mrblaine on there is the inventor of the Safety Thimble.
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Can't imagine why you would want the d ring to go thru the thimble
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Can't imagine why you would want the d ring to go thru the thimble
Read the thread I linked starting from that post onward, paying attention to the least number of connections rule. Anyone familiar with rigging should be familiar with the idea of the least number of connections.
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I'll have to take a look at the wizards thimble. Is the inside machined to accept the bow side of the shackle, or is it flat?
Hopefully it has a radius to accommodate the round d ring. I see what he's saying about least connections, but there are more than half the times using a winch you don't use a recovery point, your using a strap, such as a roll over.
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Knowing Blaine's attention to detail, I have no doubt it's been thoroughly designed to be used properly in that manner. If it was not safe to do so, he would not have released the thimble much less have named it the "Safety Thimble".

Blaine is the same person who won't put shackle mounts and a hitch receiver on the same rear bumper because he doesn't want people towing from it simply because the bumper is not rated for towing. It's more than strong enough, but since it's not actually officially rated he doesn't want people towing with it. Thus you'll find two rear bumper on Savvy's site; one with a receiver and one with shackle mounts, but you won't find one with both.

Plus you have to remember that Blaine's thimble is the original; the others are simply copies. They have to be different for some reason or another, otherwise their product would be useless (and pretty much is, given it's price point).
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Knowing Blaine's attention to detail, I have no doubt it's been thoroughly designed to be used properly in that manner. If it was not safe to do so, he would not have released the thimble much less have named it the "Safety Thimble".

Blaine is the same person who won't put shackle mounts and a hitch receiver on the same rear bumper because he doesn't want people towing from it simply because the bumper is not rated for towing. It's more than strong enough, but since it's not actually officially rated he doesn't want people towing with it. Thus you'll find two rear bumper on Savvy's site, one with a receiver and one with shackle mounts, but you won't find one with both.

Plus you have to remember that Blaine's is the original; the others are simply copies. They have to be different for some reason or another, otherwise their product would be useless (and pretty much is, given it's price point).
I don't know the price on Blaine's, but the F55 is $147 for the fully loaded thimble, and includes a titanium pin. The testing that F55 puts their product through is called FEA, or Finite Element analysis, and is worth reading. Blaine and Savvy puts out some great products, but I don't think they use any of this technology for testing. I'll keep using and selling the F55, since the shackle always sits tight in the thimble, and since most d rings have a 50,000 lb plus load rating, and a typical jeep winch has a capacity of 9500 lbs, I wouldn't worry about connecting my shackle to another.

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