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Old 05-02-2013, 09:27 PM   #1
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Winches!

Hey guys, just picked up a 12000lb badlands winch and I'm modifying a winch plate to fit my tj. The damn thing says universal, they must've forgotten the jeep universal bit! Thanks to a mig welder and grinder along with some help from a drill it'll be good as new.

The only question remaining is do want/need a second battery for my winch. Or is it okay to just run it off the battery already in there? If I used the battery already in there should I do a QD job on the wiring, or just hard wire the damn thing and be done with it? Should a larger alternator get thrown on if I don't use a second battery?

Also if I toss in the second battery, based on my limited electrical knowledge I'm assuming it'll get run in parallel not series.

Let me know y'all's thoughts.
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No need for a second battery and the stock alternator is fine. The majority of the power comes from the battery so as long as your battery is heavy duty and at least 650 CCA, you're fine. I've even winched my Jeep out of a tough spot on my single battery without the engine running several times when the engine couldn't be started... and no jump start was needed afterward.

A VERY good battery for winching & offroad use is the Sears Diehard Platinum P4, also known at times as the Sears Diehard Platinum 34-78DT. You can't beat its 100 month prorated warranty & 48 month free replacement warranty.

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Old 05-03-2013, 09:04 AM   #3
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Thanks for the info!


How much did the battery run you?
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I paid $220 for it which is the list price, it goes on sale occasionally though. Best battery I've ever owned over 50 years of driving.
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I paid $220 for it which is the list price, it goes on sale occasionally though. Best battery I've ever owned over 50 years of driving.
Must be made of gold, I got an autostore special extreme duty with 800CCA for $115.
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There's more to it than meets the eye. Common conventional wet acid batteries don't hold up so well to the shock & vibration of offroading. Their plates are suspended in the acid & shock/vibration can cause them to break off & short the cell out. For street usage, they're fine but can cause problems if you offroad much.

Better batteries like the Diehard Platinum are AGM (absorbed glass matting) designs which have no liquid acid. Their acid is in paste form which is pressed into woven fiberglass matting which is put together in a solid form that his highly resistant to damage from shock or vibration. AGM is a MUCH better/longer-lasting & highly resistant to shock damage type of battery.
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I will not spend more money on a battery for my Jeep than a luxury suv...it goes offroad as well.
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I will not spend more money on a battery for my Jeep than a luxury suv...it goes offroad as well.
That is your decision but there is a reason battery manufacturers came up with the AGM design. Not to mention that no luxury SUV that is lucky to see a dirt road will have to absorb the shock & vibration of much more difficult & rougher trails that a Wrangler can see.
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That is your decision but there is a reason battery manufacturers came up with the AGM design. Not to mention that no luxury SUV that is lucky to see a dirt road will have to absorb the shock & vibration of much more difficult & rougher trails that a Wrangler can see.
You're right...my LR3 rides on air bag suspension and actually is in the midst of the whole jeep group out on the trails. No 60k mall princess here lol but now Im into jeeps so thats why i am here. Not tryjng to get off topic

parts on the Jeep are supposed to be less expensive not more than the british vehicle
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There's more to it than meets the eye. Common conventional wet acid batteries don't hold up so well to the shock & vibration of offroading. Their plates are suspended in the acid & shock/vibration can cause them to break off & short the cell out. For street usage, they're fine but can cause problems if you offroad much.

Better batteries like the Diehard Platinum are AGM (absorbed glass matting) designs which have no liquid acid. Their acid is in paste form which is pressed into woven fiberglass matting which is put together in a solid form that his highly resistant to damage from shock or vibration. AGM is a MUCH better/longer-lasting & highly resistant to shock damage type of battery.
Unless you're adding water, you have a gel packed or AGM battery. The non-name brand I picked up is AGM, a rebranded Deka Intimidator, in fact. If you want to pay $100 more for a diehard, or name brand, go for it, but the extreme duty you pick up at O'Reilly's, autozone, whatever is the same thing.
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Unless you're adding water, you have a gel packed or AGM battery.
Not necessarily true at all. Many sealed batteries are conventional liquid acid batteries. And none of the batteries we use in our Jeeps are gel cell. Not a single one. In fact, you'd be lucky to find a conventional automobile made in the U.S. that uses a gel cell battery. Gel cell batteries aren't capable of providing much current & neither can they be charged with much current... so a true gel cell battery, typically only used in extremely tiny vehicles, can't even be used with a conventional charging system.
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Not necessarily true at all. Many sealed batteries are conventional liquid acid batteries. And none of the batteries we use in our Jeeps are gel cell. Not a single one. n fact, you'd be lucky to find a vehicle made in the U.S. that uses a gel cell battery. Gel cell batteries aren't capable of providing much current & neither can they be charged with much current... so a true gel cell battery, typically only used in extremely tiny vehicles, can't even be used with a conventional charging system.
Liquid Acid batteries are not "sealed batteries". I agree there are virtually zero gel batteries for automotive purposes, but that doesn't change the fact that if you're not actively replacing electrolytes you have an AGM or GEL battery. Replacing liquid in a liquid acid battery is a requirement, not an option. If there is no hydrometer/fill ports on an automotive battery, you have and AGM, name brand or not.
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Liquid Acid batteries are not "sealed batteries".
Most liquid acid batteries are not sealed but there are indeed sealed (aka as "maintenance free") conventional wet lead-acid batteries that cannot be serviced. They are not completely sealed, they must still be vented, but neither do all of them have removable caps that allow anything (distilled water or acid) to be added.

So the fact that a battery is sealed, again, does not necessarily mean it is an AGM battery. There are definitely sealed conventional batteries where water cannot be added (short of drilling holes in the top) that are still conventional lead-acid design batteries. Only some "maintenance free" sealed batteries have caps that can be removed for servicing, many don't at all.
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Most liquid acid batteries are not sealed but there are indeed sealed (aka as "maintenance free") conventional lead-acid batteries that cannot be serviced.

So the fact that a battery is sealed, again, does not necessarily mean it is an AGM battery.

Can you show me one to feed my curiosity? I looked but no luck.

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