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Old 05-15-2013, 08:32 AM   #1
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Winches?

What is the best weight for our jeeps? I've been looking at 9,000 pounds, will that be a good practical size? What is the best winch plate for the stock bumper? I'm looking to keep the total cost below $500 because I'm on a college kid budget.

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Old 05-15-2013, 08:39 AM   #2
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The general rule for winch pull rating is GVW x 1.5. So a 9,000 pound winch should be more than sufficient.

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What is the best weight for our jeeps? I've been looking at 9,000 pounds, will that be a good practical size?
8K lbs is the smallest I'd go. I would be very happy with a 9K - 9.5K lbs winch, and that's what I'm using now (XD9000).

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What is the best winch plate for the stock bumper?
Whatever you like that is in your price range. They have some that are raised to go over the stock sway bars, and others that are flat if you have aftermarket sway bars like the Anti-Rock. Other than that, they're pretty much all very similar; not much to go wrong with.
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I bought the Engo 9K about 3 months ago. Not happy, gear end was getting boiling hot the day after installation ( they sent me a new end to install myself) remote went bad, sent new remote that worked 2 times. I repaired the original one. Now the plug that the remote plugs into is falling out of the control box so I guess ill have to open it up to repair it. Save up and buy a warn. Just mt .02

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8,000 to 9,500 lbs. is the time-honored range of winching capacities that are suitable for a Wrangler.
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8-9.5 is perfect look into the smittybilt and engo winches both are great
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If you want a cheap one that works, go Smittybilt. That's what I did because I'm also in college. But the quality is definitely lacking. If you want a cheap one that works, go cheap. If you want one that will last and you never have to worry about, go Warn.
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8-9.5 is perfect look into the smittybilt and engo winches both are great
I sure wouldn't use "great" as a descriptor for either of those.
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For what it's worth, on most JKUs, we recommend a 9,500 lb. winch due to the fact they have more weight. Most TJs will be OK with an 8,000 lb. winch, unless you start really adding on weighty items.

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If you are just "casually" winching and not using it all the time for long hard pulls Quadratec has a decent one. You can get their Q series and a plate within your price range. You get free shipping for being a forum member. I have the Q series and so far it is good, I have used it twice no problems yet. It came with a 1 year electrical and a lifetime mechanical warranty. If you are a more frequent wheeler and you will be winching a lot I would save up and get a Warn winch.
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What is the best weight for our jeeps? I've been looking at 9,000 pounds, will that be a good practical size? What is the best winch plate for the stock bumper? I'm looking to keep the total cost below $500 because I'm on a college kid budget.
An 8 or 9K pound winch will be perfect for your Jeep. A good baseline for winching is GVW multiplied by 1.5. That way you have the weight of the Jeep covered as well as gear and the muck you'll be stuck in.

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are a good choice for the price. I recommend these winches if you plan on using it every once in a while and just want a little extra security off road.

Hope this helps! Let me know if you have any questions.

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Old 05-15-2013, 01:41 PM   #12
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I got badlands 12,000. Works amazing, easy install, heavy duty, under $500 and you can pick one up from harbor freight!
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for 150 more you can get an M8000. I rolled the same question around in my head for 6 months and finally decided that good ol US of A was worth an extra 150 bucks and I just saved a little longer. Now, I have to save a little longer for my tummy tuck....

I was seriously debating the Smittybilt synthetic vrs the Warn M8000 steel. I am content with my decision, I just wish I had more disposable dough for Jeep mods.

I will run the steel until I get the TT, then I will save for the synthetic line.
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8-9.5 is perfect look into the smittybilt and engo winches both are great
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If you want a cheap one that works, go Smittybilt. That's what I did because I'm also in college. But the quality is definitely lacking. If you want a cheap one that works, go cheap. If you want one that will last and you never have to worry about, go Warn.
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An 8 or 9K pound winch will be perfect for your Jeep. A good baseline for winching is GVW multiplied by 1.5. That way you have the weight of the Jeep covered as well as gear and the muck you'll be stuck in.

Smittybilt Winches
are a good choice for the price. I recommend these winches if you plan on using it every once in a while and just want a little extra security off road.

Hope this helps! Let me know if you have any questions.

-Zach
The only good thing about Shittybuilt winches are the added weight over the front axle. Buy a WARN. For every thread saying how much cheaper they are, there's another thread complaining about being stuck 'cause the winch failed. You buy a winch expecting NOT to use it, but when you need it, it damn well better work! Warn's will work. Even after years of inactivity.

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For what it's worth, on most JKUs, we recommend a 9,500 lb. winch due to the fact they have more weight. Most TJs will be OK with an 8,000 lb. winch, unless you start really adding on weighty items.

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I've got an M8274 on my 5000 pound YJ, and an M12000 on my 5000 pound TJ. I'm hard pressed to see much difference in the pulling capacity of the two.
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My smitty works well.
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Still saying badlands is a good bargain
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Still saying badlands is a good bargain
Don't have a lot of personal first hand experience with the Badlands winch, but I have used a fellow wheeler's once to get him off the trail. I won't bother to get into the story, but essentially it was two hours of pulling him forward and backward to get him positioned off the trail enough to where we could safely work on his XJ. We worked his 9K lb Badlands winch pretty hard over those two hours, and it kept up although it was pretty slow.

That being said, it was supposedly a brand new winch seeing it's first bit of daylight that day, so how well it would hold up over time I'm not sure.
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You can buy One Warn 9,000lb winch that will last the lifetime of your Jeep ( maybe even more I have one thats 10 years old still winchin ) and never let you down......Or you can buy a bunch of cheap wannabes that fail constantly and when most needed....Your Choice.

I always go with a 9000lb rating because I seem to wind up winching out alot of Hummers and their heavy piles of stuff.
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I dont get stuck often where i go with mine, but its been in mud, water, pull it sideways and straight out. So for the price and weight limit, its pretty nice. But obviously everyone says warn, so depends on your budget.
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My smitty works well.
My Smitty died before it was two years old.
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My Smitty died before it was two years old.
Sucks. Glad mines going strong.
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Old 05-15-2013, 11:26 PM   #23
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Here's some info I found which seems to be derived from authoritative sources such as the US Military Vehicle Recovery Guide:

Pirate4x4.Com - Extreme Four Wheel Drive

The cliff notes version is:
Stuck to sidewalls, multiply vehicle weight by 1
Stuck to wheels, multiply by 2
Stuck to frame, multiply by 3

Flat surface, don't add anything more
Up a 15 degree hill, add again 25% vehicle weight
30 degree hill, add again 50% vehicle weight
45 degree hill, add again 75% vehicle weight

Of course the link has much more info than just that : )
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Me and every other friend i have locally have smitty XRC8. Mostly light wheeling. I know one guy with the one from quadratech but never have I seen it in action.

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I got badlands 12,000. Works amazing, easy install, heavy duty, under $500 and you can pick one up from harbor freight!
Picked that one up last month with a plate and wireless remote for about $370 total. I haven't got it installed yet, but hopefully in the next few weeks... I wasn't really planing on buying one anytime soon, but putting on a heavy rear bumper and swing mount, and saw that deal...it was easy to convince myself that I needed something up front to balance all the weight I was adding to the back
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Picked that one up last month with a plate and wireless remote for about $370 total. I haven't got it installed yet, but hopefully in the next few weeks... I wasn't really planing on buying one anytime soon, but putting on a heavy rear bumper and swing mount, and saw that deal...it was easy to convince myself that I needed something up front to balance all the weight I was adding to the back
Yeah man lol, im 17 so i dont entirely buy it all by myself but whatever i dont i gotta help pay for so it sounded nice to me after just buying a new front bumper! The install was VERY easy. Only problem i had was the winch plate being so thick it took me a while to drill proper holes and had to take it somewhere to get the plate fitted to my bumper. But other than that, dropping it on and wiring up took all of like 30 minutes by myself.
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My two cents: Warn is a solid choice if you have the cash. If, like me, you find too much stuff to buy, the new Superwinch Tiger Shark is a really good choice. We've got them for $349 with free shipping - that leaves $150 for your mount.

It's better than the Smitty or Quads in that it's over-built by folks that know winching (it's not a cookie cutter, knock off like the others). Stainless steel hardware and fairlead rollers, contactor solenoid. It's a well built beast.

Whatever you choose, practice with it a few times before you need to use it.

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My two cents: Warn is a solid choice if you have the cash. If, like me, you find too much stuff to buy, the new Superwinch Tiger Shark is a really good choice. We've got them for $349 with free shipping - that leaves $150 for your mount.

It's better than the Smitty or Quads in that it's over-built by folks that know winching (it's not a cookie cutter, knock off like the others). Stainless steel hardware and fairlead rollers, contactor solenoid. It's a well built beast.

Whatever you choose, practice with it a few times before you need to use it.

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Derp, nevermind, just saw you were a paying vendor.

I've heard good things about the "tiger" series from Superwinch but I've never seen it in person.

Another winch I'd like to see in person is the one Viking came out with not long ago. Not sure who they have making it for them, but it looks like a very nice winch. Haven't found anyone running it yet.
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I bought a winch from Harbor Freight because of the great price. After a couple years it quit. The entire insides were corroded and frozen up. I have a Warn now - 'Nuff said!

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