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Old 05-11-2013, 11:45 AM   #1
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Would it be a good idea to trade my JK for this TJ?

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So, essentially the reason why I am posting this is because I am looking for a little bit more of a toy Jeep than one that is really nice. (If that makes sense) With the mods already on here, I will assume it has been offroading so I will be conscious of that when looking it over. Please let me know what you think of this Jeep.

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I see nothing on there that indicates that it has been wheeled. It looks like a typical Rubi with fancy bumper and BushCracker flares

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I would go for it. Front and rear lockers, lift already there, bumper is winch-ready, doesn't have any signs that it was abused offroad or anything, and good milage.
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Looks like a possible lift (maybe 4") and 33's. But I could be wrong. Looks like a clean jeep though. No visible body damage to imply its been wheeled hard.
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Go look at it. Crawl underneath and look for rock scars, etc. at 80k miles it is still in it's prime if never off road.
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Old 05-11-2013, 03:34 PM   #6
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Thanks for the opinions guys. I did a little more searching on the web and found a Jeep that was near the dealership I bought my original Jeep from. They have this 2002 on the lot that I really like. My concerns are mainly spending more money on gas that I am actually saving. My current payments are $385/ mo. for 72 mo. They are offering me $19,000 for it ( I bought it for $23,000 in Nov. with 22,000 miles). The new Jeep (with the difference of payoff comes out to around $17,000 for 60 mo. =$330

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This Jeep is pretty sick. I love the 33" Nitto's but at 60MPH I was nearly at 3k rpm. What kind of mileage do you think I would get?
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Old 05-11-2013, 03:58 PM   #7
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what about the 1st one? i would want a rubi over a 4 cylinder se anyday.
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what about the 1st one? i would want a rubi over a 4 cylinder se anyday.
X2. Dana 44 front and rear, locker, and lower stock gearing. Your rpm's were up that high because the PO put gears in that are too low for the tires. And its a 4.0
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Oh my goodness. Thank you guys sooo much for pointing that out! I never realized it was a 4 cylinder. I expected it to be slow, but, I thought that thing was a slug.
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did you get one of them?
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The one I saw yesterday, I walked away from. Good thing I did. I really liked the appearance of the second one. But, didn't realize it had a 4 cylinder. The dealership that had the Rubi was about 20 miles away from my house, so, I didn't get to see it yesterday. Hopefully Monday!

Would it be worth selling my Sport JK for a Rubi TJ?
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i think so. the rubi has a lot of factory options (as stated from other above).
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Plus if u get the TJ u will have a REAL jeep hehe 😏
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what about the 1st one? i would want a rubi over a 4 cylinder se anyday.
x2 there reasons not to buy the 02.
1. Not a Rubicon
2. 4 cyl
3. chain driven 2.23 - 1 xfer case
4. axels dana 30 frt dana 35 rear

If you are gonna get something get the 04 one of the best years for the TJ. Thing right with the 04 it is a Rubicon. 4 - 1 gear driven xfer case, Dana 44 axels, lockers, you get a bumper already set up for a winch. It has the 4.0, I6 motor....that motor is almost bomb proof....I have 125k on my 06 and she still purrs down the road.
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....that motor is almost bomb proof....I have 125k on my 06 and she still purrs down the road.

that's the truth. i sold my last TJ with just about 180k on the odometer. and that thing was still quiet & didn't burn any oil.
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x2 there reasons not to buy the 02.
1. Not a Rubicon
2. 4 cyl
3. chain driven 2.23 - 1 xfer case
4. axels dana 30 frt dana 35 rear

If you are gonna get something get the 04 one of the best years for the TJ. Thing right with the 04 it is a Rubicon. 4 - 1 gear driven xfer case, Dana 44 axels, lockers, you get a bumper already set up for a winch. It has the 4.0, I6 motor....that motor is almost bomb proof....I have 125k on my 06 and she still purrs down the road.
Since when is a 241or t-case gear driven????
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Plus if u get the TJ u will have a REAL jeep hehe ��
LOL...Well actually with that type of thinking you may need to get an original Willy's WWII Jeep if you want it to be real/original...If you want the most capable Wrangler, well then that would be a JK.
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For budget purposes, what kind of mileage do you think I would get with the Rubi? Also, speaking in terms of trail riding/ capability, how does the JK triumph the TJ? I really like my JK, but, I am only 21. It is a little too nice for me, plus, I heard it is cheaper to mod a TJ.
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If you want the most capable Wrangler, well then that would be a JK.
My friend has had nothing but problems with all the electronic components on his 2012 jk. Starter has been replaced twice in 6,000 miles and weird electronic glitches every once and a while (like transmission won't come out of park unless the jeep is restarted) . I also prefer my 4.0 to the new penstar engines.
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For budget purposes, what kind of mileage do you think I would get with the Rubi? Also, speaking in terms of trail riding/ capability, how does the JK triumph the TJ? I really like my JK, but, I am only 21. It is a little too nice for me, plus, I heard it is cheaper to mod a TJ.
Probably like 12-16 depending on gearing, tire size, lift height, and weight from armor. The tj Rubicon will be better than any stock jk offroad other than the jk Rubicon. I like my tj because I don't have to worry if it starts raining with the top off, the only electronics that are that important inside are my radio and airbag/cruise stuff, but that's all covered. Also, you can't beat the 4.0 I6 for reliability and longevity. They are easier to mod because they are simpler and have more room to work with.
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The Rubicon has smittybilt cheap bumpers that will flake and peel in no time and I bet it has a cheap lift kit as well which means you'll be replacing most of it pretty soon as it wears out. There are pluses and minuses for the rubicon as well, but it also depends on what kind of driving you'll be doing and how crazy you'll be getting when and if you go off-roading.
The stock 4.10's are not ideal with an automatic transmission with 33's, so figure you'll need to regear and that can be another $1000+.
Mileage will be 12-15 mpg.
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My friend has had nothing but problems with all the electronic components on his 2012 jk. Starter has been replaced twice in 6,000 miles and weird electronic glitches every once and a while (like transmission won't come out of park unless the jeep is restarted) . I also prefer my 4.0 to the new penstar engines.
I guess I'm lucky...my '12 JKU Rubicon has had 0 issues with nearly 10,000 miles!
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The Rubicon has smittybilt cheap bumpers that will flake and peel in no time and I bet it has a cheap lift kit as well which means you'll be replacing most of it pretty soon as it wears out. There are pluses and minuses for the rubicon as well, but it also depends on what kind of driving you'll be doing and how crazy you'll be getting when and if you go off-roading.
The stock 4.10's are not ideal with an automatic transmission with 33's, so figure you'll need to regear and that can be another $1000+.
Mileage will be 12-15 mpg.
Think I have to disagree with part of your statement.
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why not look for a JK rubicon? nothing against the TJ, love mine, but I also like the JK
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I will agree the 4.10's are not ideal for the auto with 33's. Is it all suspension lift on it? at 4 inches of lift which it appears to be, you should factor in ~$1000 to replace the control arms if they are all still stock. Another $1000 or so for a re gear. Make sure you look it over real good for signs of abuse. Stand back and look at it in the sun to make sure the paint on the front fenders matches the tub. Fenders being replaced is a sure sign of it being wheeled hard.

Are you set on getting an automatic?
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Think I have to disagree with part of your statement.
So driving an auto jeep with 4.10's and 33" tires is what you recommend?
Can we say where's your powerband gone?

33" Tires w/ Stock Overdrive Ratios @ 70mph: Rubicon Ratios - 42RLE, 4.10s = 2000 rpm. It's like you've just added 3.07 gears to a rubicon. Bye bye OD.

Put some 4.88's or better yet some 5.13's in there and call it a day and at least you'll have OD back along with acceleration and your powerband.
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The Rubicon has smittybilt cheap bumpers that will flake and peel in no time and I bet it has a cheap lift kit as well which means you'll be replacing most of it pretty soon as it wears out. There are pluses and minuses for the rubicon as well, but it also depends on what kind of driving you'll be doing and how crazy you'll be getting when and if you go off-roading.
The stock 4.10's are not ideal with an automatic transmission with 33's, so figure you'll need to regear and that can be another $1000+.
Mileage will be 12-15 mpg.
I have to really disagree here......I have smittybilt and they are powder coated. really strong and thick......in fact I didn't turn fast enough up on the dusy ershiem trail ad hit this boulder a glancing blow with the front bumper.....bounced off with boulder dust everywhere.....didn't even scrap any powder coating off.
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I say keep the JK, add lockers and wheel it. As nice as a rubi is, the tj rubi 44s aren't that great and you have a JK30 which is stronger already, and a rear d44 correct? The JK is a bigger, stronger platform to build off of than a TJ, lower miles, etc. I love TJs, but I don't think I would ever trade down to one, and If I did I would get a cheap 6cyl and build it the way I wanted.
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I have stock 4.10's and 35's. No issues with get up and go or off road performance. So with 33's I'm pretty dang confidant that the gearing would be fine. It's all a matter of personal preference though.
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LOL...Well actually with that type of thinking you may need to get an original Willy's WWII Jeep if you want it to be real/original...If you want the most capable Wrangler, well then that would be a JK.
Most capable Wrangler is a JK? That is a joke... You couldn't pay me to use that V6 over the I6.

The TJ has the more reliable I6 and minimal electronics which IMO is the way an Offroad vehicle should be. Thats great if you have all those bells and whistles on the road but you may feel different stuck in the middle of nowhere because of some fancy sensor.

I think the JK is nice for more Onroad users but you couldn't pay me to drive one.

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