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Old 03-10-2007, 05:50 PM   #1
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Let's start with a short story...I took my stock 06 Unlimited Rubicon to the the Snowshoe Mountain Jamboree last year and decided to run what was supposed to be a 3-5 rated trail. Anyway, many stock URE's in the group and all of them had the same issues...the shovel. Mine was particularly problematic in that early in the run we went through a mudhole with a nice sturdy stump hidden in the muck (it had rained quite a bit between the guide run and the real run). After going from full boar in the mud to a dead stop and being jacked out of that mess the shovel was now even worse! Making poor clearance even poorer for the rest of the ride! Anyway, the value of suspension lift and tire size was quite clear to me after that.

OK, now the questions. I need a lift that (a) does not affect handling (for this vehicle is 80% highway) and (b) is good for light to medium duty (for I literally scoure maps for seasonal roads and places to get stuck). I am looking at an RE(SF)7003+CVY+CVDS. I do not plan on changing treads just yet. First off, whatd'yall think of this decision? Secondly, anyone have experience doing this install themselves? Thirdly, and this may be my paranoia speaking, how about a belly lift? Is my $$ better spent on armor?

Apologies for all of the questions. I am having a hard time making up my mind how to spend my $$ in the near term...armor, bumpers, winches, lights, lifts, treads, rims,etc...sigh...

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

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Old 03-10-2007, 06:09 PM   #2
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i wouldn´t install more than 2.5" suspension lift if you want a perfect onroad handling. the OME 2.5" lift is the best you can get in my opinion. it gives you a better onroad haandling than thestock suspension.
more than 2.5"-3" suspension lift would need some longer cotnrol arms (for comfortable driving) and a longer rear (if big enough also in the front) track bar. that´s much more expensive.
this suspension gives you 2.5" more ground clearance than stock.

then i would install a belly-up kit. for the belly-up kit you need a 1" bodylift and a 1" motor mount lift. the rubicon doesn´t need an SYE or CV driveshaft. you already have that.
now you have 4.5"-5" more ground clearance.

with the 2.5" OME lift and the 1" bodylift you´ll have enough space for 33" tires.
the 33" tires give you some more 1-2" ground clearance plus 1-2" more clearance under the axles.

33x10.5x15 tires fit on the stock7x15 wheels under the stock fender flares (in some states the law say that the flares must cover the whole tires).
33x12.5x15 tires will fit on the stock wheels with some additional wheel spacers. but then the fender flares do not cover the tires.

if you are experienced in installaing things on cars all that can be done in one day (if a friend helps you). alone and unexperienced it would take nearly a whole weekend.


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Old 03-10-2007, 06:14 PM   #3
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someone help me here Shovel???????

anyways, it depends on how big you want to go and what you are willing to spend. If you are staying with the same tires, (stock i assume) i wouldn't go with more than a 2"lift
proabably a BB or better if you have the money then agian you could put the $$ into tires.....
(make sure to check alignment)

and what is this??? RE(SF)7003+CVY+CVDS

I had the same question as to what to get, i think i will get a winch, make all my own skid plates, lift it 4" and get 33's
I ecpect some wobble and worse handling though, if you want like stock handling you cant go as high or you will have to pay a lot.

I would not reccomend lights, i dont really understand what they are for, do you really plan on wheeling that much at night??
of course it you cant make your own bumoers or skid plates then i dont know.......
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Old 03-10-2007, 06:18 PM   #4
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what's a belly up kit???
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Old 03-10-2007, 06:21 PM   #5
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a rubicon does not need a TC drop.
it also doesn´t need a SYE and CV driveshaft.
the rubicon with the NV241 TC (4Lo = 4:1) already has that.
only the normal TJs NV231 TC (4Lo = 2.72:1) does need all that stuff.


EDIT:

i missed a thing:
the rubicon has 4:10 gears. thats much better than othetr stock TJs for 33s. but you´ll notice that the jeep will become slower with that big tires. perhaps you want to regear...
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Old 03-10-2007, 06:26 PM   #6
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what's a belly up kit???
a belly-up kit is a plane TC plate. that gives 2"-3" more ground clearance. it´s perfect on a rubicon. normal TJs need an additiional SYE / CV driveshaft for that.

http://www.quadratec.com/products/16192_001.htm


a guy i know from another forum has a real flat TC plate. he cutted out some 8 millimeters thick steal for that.
that gave him 3.5" more ground clearance. but you need a 2" BL for that and he also had to relocate something on the exhaust.

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yah editted that about the tc drop down

and that would be great to make/run it if didn't cost like $900 for the driveshaft stuff
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Old 03-10-2007, 09:43 PM   #8
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Well my first suggestion to anyone in your situation is armor. It's always best to get some protection for your differentials, steering box, gas tank, rockers, oil pan and transfer case. You can accomplish the oil pan and transfer case with a belly up skid plate then all you need to add is the rest. There are several companies that sell them such as - Jeep Medic, Nth Degree Mobility and 33 Engineering to name a few. This will tuck the transfer case into the frame rails and remove the shovel.

As far as a lift goes, you might as well wait until you're ready for the tires. The lift itself isn't going to give you any more ground clearance it will only make you sit higher. The tires give you the ground clearance you need and the lift lets you run bigger tires. Keep in mind that you're ground clearance is measured from the lowest point of your vehicle to the ground. The only way to raise your ground clearance is to run larger tires. Although if you start geting too crazy with the size of tires then you'll be looking at a lot of expensive upgrades. Keeping the lift under 3" or so should keep all the geometry in check although every Jeep is different.

The other posters have given you a great suggestion on a very capable lift that should work well for what you've described. The OME kit is a proven product that a lot of people run who are looking for exactly what you're wanting to do. It will allow you to run 33" tires, it shouldn't affect your steering geometry, you won't need a new drive shaft (LJ Rubicon) and will give you a ride that is similar to stock. The other great thing about the OME kit is it gives you some flexibilty down the road. If you later decide that you'd like to run 35" tires all you would need to do is add a one inch body lift. That will give you plenty of clearance.

As far as installing it goes...you'll have to take someone else's advice on that. I don't even own a screw driver.
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Old 03-11-2007, 01:16 PM   #9
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First off, thanks for the prompt advice and apologies for the acronyms/abbreviations. I have a tendency to do that.

Simple, thanks for the lift advice. You are right, I am more interested in lift/clearance than I am in articulation and rock crawling, so, a decision on tires will drive any lift decisions. I'll post another thread soon once I come to some (more) conclusions.

The lift OEM recommendation seemed universal - OMU 2.5" + 1" BL. I will look into it. Nicolas-eric, thanks for pointing out that the rube does not need a CV driveshaft and SYE. A serious oversight on my part!

Nicolas-eric, a TC plate doesn't get much flatter than that! I am not interested yet in messing with motor mounts, or exhaust mods. Although from what I have heard I cannot get around it with a belly lift.

As for doing it myself, I am a glutton for punishment. Other than welding I have most of the tools but no help. My only concern is having to deal with the constant harassment from the wife if I have to tow it to the nearest garage before I am done!
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Old 03-11-2007, 01:49 PM   #10
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The OME 2.5" + 1" BL combined with 33" tires will give you about 2" more ground clearance under the axles and the whole jeep (tires) and about 2.5" more groud clearance under the car (OME lift).

in my opinion ground clearance under the middle of the car is much more important than clearance under the axles. off the road most people drive over bigger rocks with the tires (the axles can´t be damaged then by the rocks). the middle of the jeep (TC plate) will have contact to the ground much more faster. that´s why i recommended a 2" belly-up TC plate. that gives you additional 2" ground clearance under the middle of the car for only about 200-250 $. 2" additional height with a suspension will be much mor expensive. with the 2" belly-up the handling will not become worse, with 2" additional suspension lift it will.

installing a motor mount lift with the 1" body lift will save some work. you do not have to lower the fan shrould then. both (1" MML + 1" BL) does not take longer than 2-3 hours to install.
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The OME 2.5" + 1" BL combined with 33" tires will give you about 2" more ground clearance under the axles and the whole jeep (tires) and about 2.5" more groud clearance under the car (OME lift).

in my opinion ground clearance under the middle of the car is much more important than clearance under the axles. off the road most people drive over bigger rocks with the tires (the axles can´t be damaged then by the rocks). the middle of the jeep (TC plate) will have contact to the ground much more faster. that´s why i recommended a 2" belly-up TC plate. that gives you additional 2" ground clearance under the middle of the car for only about 200-250 $. 2" additional height with a suspension will be much mor expensive. with the 2" belly-up the handling will not become worse, with 2" additional suspension lift it will.

installing a motor mount lift with the 1" body lift will save some work. you do not have to lower the fan shrould then. both (1" MML + 1" BL) does not take longer than 2-3 hours to install.
Based on my little story you know I am sensitive about clearance around the TC. So, focusing on a 2" belly-up is attractive. From the belly-ups (I cannot take that term anymore so I am going to label it BUSP) I have heard of miscellaneous problems...TC shift brackets, exhaust mods, track bar relocation, etc. In short, none of the available installs are that clean. For that reason only I have shyed away from them. If you recommend any I am still listening for that might be my initial foray.

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