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Old 09-07-2012, 11:09 AM   #2581
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When you wave to a JK and the road and say, "Holy $hit! They waved back!" And she looked like the proverbial Soccer Mom in a Mall Crawler.

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Old 09-07-2012, 11:30 AM   #2582
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That's cool! What does it use as a propellant?
A lawn mower engine and an electrical outboard. But....$4000 for a plywood Beep???

You know you drive a TJ ...

When your neigbour tells you for the 400th time how much he likes it with the lift and tires...(I was kinda aming to attract 20 year old girls, not 50 something bold men..what went wrong here )

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Old 09-07-2012, 11:40 AM   #2583
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Nope, way too much crap in them and no 4.0, I'll stick with my tj
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Old 09-07-2012, 01:10 PM   #2584
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Nope, way too much crap in them and no 4.0, I'll stick with my tj
I agree I love my I6 4.0
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Old 09-07-2012, 02:14 PM   #2585
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Nope, way too much crap in them and no 4.0, I'll stick with my tj

Yep TJs are awesome, plus who really needs all that crap.
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When................True story,,,,,,,

I just stopped at the packy today on my way home from work to pick up some weekend refreshments.......

Just pulled into a parking spot, and before I got out of the Jeep, a little boy (maybe 4 or 5) got out of the back of the car in the next spot and bumped the door against my back tire.

Father: Be careful! You just hit that man's car!
Lil' Boy: It's OK it's a monsta truck!
Father: That's not a monster truck.
Lil' Boy: Uh-huh, it could drive over our piece of crap!

I almost pi$$ed my pants laughing!
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Old 09-07-2012, 03:14 PM   #2587
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when................true story,,,,,,,

i just stopped at the packy today on my way home from work to pick up some weekend refreshments.......

Just pulled into a parking spot, and before i got out of the jeep, a little boy (maybe 4 or 5) got out of the back of the car in the next spot and bumped the door against my back tire.

Father: Be careful! You just hit that man's car!
Lil' boy: It's ok it's a monsta truck!
Father: That's not a monster truck.
Lil' boy: Uh-huh, it could drive over our piece of crap!

I almost pi$$ed my pants laughing!
nice!!
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you know you drive a TJ when this thread is always at the top of your subscriptions.
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When................True story,,,,,,,

I just stopped at the packy today on my way home from work to pick up some weekend refreshments.......

Just pulled into a parking spot, and before I got out of the Jeep, a little boy (maybe 4 or 5) got out of the back of the car in the next spot and bumped the door against my back tire.

Father: Be careful! You just hit that man's car!
Lil' Boy: It's OK it's a monsta truck!
Father: That's not a monster truck.
Lil' Boy: Uh-huh, it could drive over our piece of crap!

I almost pi$$ed my pants laughing!
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When your friend calls you to pull his f150 longbed out of a ditch
Just got back
After I pulled him out he told me hes definitely gonna get a jeep
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My buddy always said how much better his f150 was than my ride until I gave him a pull with the storm coming in. I refused to get out and had him hook us up so I could.
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When you finally meet the kid who owns the jeep in the parking lot that you always criticize an make fun of for his stupid tall body lift and donut spare.
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it's a repeat but: When not one of the 5 JK's you passed on a single road on the way to work this morning gave a wave.
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hahaha, well done. well done. To be fair, I don't think it's so much which model they're driving, it's the area. ...and a ~10y/o vehicle in the area I work is not a common occurrence.
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hahaha, well done. well done. To be fair, I don't think it's so much which model they're driving, it's the area. ...and a ~10y/o vehicle in the area I work is not a common occurrence.
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Regarding the Jeep wave......



Here's an article I found about four years ago that someone put together about the "hierarchy" of the Jeep wave. (Must of had a lotta spare time on his/her hands!) Figured I'd post it for all the Jeep Newb's. Next time another Jeeper snubs you, ya can chase em' down and make em' read the whole dam thing!

THE JEEP WAVE:

Warning
Owning, registering, insuring, or driving a Jeep implies knowledge of and intent to abide by the following rules. Failure to obey the rules may result in your being ignored by other Jeep owners as you sit along the side of the road next to your stalled vehicle in a blizzard surrounded by Saturns, Yugos, and Hyundais.

Definition of the Jeep wave: An honor bestowed upon those drivers with superior intelligence, taste, class, and discompfort tolerance to own the ultimate vehicle- the JEEP. Generally consists of vigourous side to side motion of one or both hands, but may be modified to suit circumstances and locally accepted etiqeutte.

Examples of commonly accepted modifications:

Top off: One handed wave above windshield or outside body tub .
Top off during blizzard: Shiver and nod, hands may remain frozen to steering wheel .
Southern/rural locations: Raise fingers from steering wheel, nod.

It's not what you buy, it's what you build and what you do with it.

In keeping with this cardinal rule of Jeeping, categories have been established to account for each part of the equation.

These categories are:

* The Jeep Waving Hierarchy: Based on the vehicle itself. Takes into account the nastalgia factor, the discomfort tolerance quotient, and the amount of owner dedication required to maintain the steed.
* The Moifying Sub-categories: Based on what you do with your JEEP.
* Equipmant Adjustments: What you build.

General Rules

1. All Jeepers are responsible for upholding the tradition of the Wave. Upon contact with a higher scoring Jeep, a Jeeper is
required to initiate the Wave, and continue the Wave until:
a. The Wave is returned
b. The Wave is blatantly disregarded
c. The higher scoring vehicle has passed by and is out of sight

2. All Jeepers are required to return the Wave, unless the initiating vehicle clearly has a negative (below 0) score.

3. All Jeepers are encouraged, but not required, to return the Wave to negative balance vehicles, and take any opportunity presented to guide and mentor them about their responsibilities to their Jeeps in the hopes that they can correct the error of their ways.

4. When unsure of status or wave requirements of a particular encounter, or unable to completely assess the other Jeep's score quickly enough to ensure that the proper Jeep Wave Etiquette rules are followed, immediately initiate wave. It is the spirit of waving that is most important so when in doubt: Just Wave!

The Jeep Waving Hierarchy (JWH)



* Category A - Pre-CJ (Willys/Kaiser/MB/etc): 30
* Category B - Pre-AMC CJ: 27
* Category C - CJ: 25
* Category D - Commando: 20
* Category E - YJ: 16
* Category F - TJ: 15
* Category G - Cherokee, Wagoneer: 10
* Category H - All other Jeeps: 5
* Category I - All other 4WD vehicles EXCEPT yuppie Explorers: 0
* Category J - All other vehicles: -5



The Modifying Sub-Categories (MSCs):



MSC Guidelines:

1. MSCs must be considered during all Jeep encounters, and wave patterns must be adjusted accordingly.

2. MSC 5 is the median - the accepted norm.

3. MSCs from 1 through 4 will increase score as listed.

4. MSCs 6 and 7 will decrease score as listed.

MSC 1: Top off; vehicle, driver, and all occupants covered with mud: +30
MSC 2: Top partially off; vehicle and some occupants covered with Mud: +20
MSC 3: Top on; vehicle covered with mud: +10
MSC 4: Top off during snow, sleet, hail, or heavy rain: +5
MSC 5: Somewhat dirty: 0
MSC 6: Obviously recently washed, but immediately re-muddied a little: -10
MSC 7: Clean, dry, unscratched, untested: -30



Equipment Adjustments (EAs)



Consideration must be given to the current mechanical condition of the vehicle, including all modifications for trailworthiness, comfort, appearance, and spouse-appeasal. These are known as Equipment Adjustments (EAs). EAs are only granted after the work has been completed. We all have plans for EAs, but only the ones actually implemented can be scored.

EAs are a complicated category, and often difficult to appraise under certain conditions (passing head-to-head at 60 mph, when covered with mud, etc) but must be used to modify score when feasible. If a vehicle is so covered with mud that you are unable to ascertain any of the EAs, you MUST assume that the EAs, when combined with the MSC 1 adjustment, would place the vehicle in a higher scoring position than any non-MSC 1 Jeep, and immediately initiate the wave. Otherwise, EAs will adjust score as follows:

Engine:

* Stock, Pre-CJ, Working Condition: +2
* Stock, 8-cyl: +2
* Stock, 6-cyl: +1
* Stock, 4-cyl: 0
* Replaced, 8-cyl: +3
* Replaced, 6-cyl (replacing 4-cyl): +2
* Replaced, 6-cyl (replacing 6-cyl): 0
* Replaced, 6-cyl (replacing 8-cyl): -1
* Replaced, 4-cyl: -1

Drivetrain Modifications:

* Improved internal mechanical parts (crank/cam/etc): +2 each
* Upgraded Transmission: NV4500 or Turbo400: +3, All others: +2
* Upgraded Transfer Case: +2
* Improved exterior mechanical parts (headers/manifolds/pumps/filters/etc): +1 each
* Stone stock in a pre-1970 vehicle: +3 (for nostalgia and historical analysis)
* All Comfort enhancements removed for more power: +2

Tires:

* Stock or unremarkable: 0
* Original Tires on Pre-CJ: +2
* Slightly oversized (up to 31"): +1
* Over 31, with other appropriate mods: +2
* Any size, currently covered with mud: +2
* Working tires > 31" with original donut spare: -2
* Low-profile: -10

Suspension:

* Stock, Pre-CJ: +2 if driver can still walk after an hour in the saddle
* Body lift: +1/inch
* Suspension lift: +2/inch
* Spring-Over Lift: +3
* High-quality shocks: +2
* Lowered: -20

Other accessories/conditions:

* Winch, heavy-duty, obviously used: +2
* Winch, heavy-duty, use unclear: +1
* Other winch, obviously used: +1
* Little, chrome-covered, toy winch: -1
* Lockers: +2
* Upgraded axles: +1
* Upgraded transfer case: +1
* Each chrome accessory currently shiny: -1
* Each neon accessory: -2
* Fire extinguishers: +1
* Block and Tackle, anchors, etc: +2
* Ropes, straps, tow chains: +1
* Tow Hooks: +1
* Nerf Bars/Rock Rails, used and scarred: +2
* Nerf Bars, shiny, no scars: -1
* Heavy duty bash/skid plates: +1
* Other protective plating (diamond plate, etc): +2 if scarred, -2 if unscarred
* Extra fuel tanks/oversize fuel tanks: +1
* External Gear Carrying Rack: +1
* Multi disc-CD Player: -1
* More than one subwoofer: -1 each
* First Aid Kit: +1
* Backpack, food, emergency gear (just in case): +2
* On-board air compressor: +1
* On-board Welder: +2
* Girly, shiny chrome center caps: -1
* Krylon home-made paint job: +1 (for realizing it's just going to happen again)
* Blackout Headlight Covers: -1
* Any little flippy interior vanity mirrors: -1
* Children in vehicle: +1/each (for proper training/indoctrination), +2 if muddy, an immediate correction if not belted in.
* EARNED trip stickers/badges/etc: +1/each
* Unearned stickers/badges/etc: -2/each
* Stickers advertising for other than 4wd-related businesses: -2 (except No Fear: -5)
* MSC 1 vehicle in corporate lot sharing with neighbor vehicles: +1 per vehicle decorated
* Correct mental attitude, seen or proven: +3
* Windshield down: +1 (+2 if raining/snowing)
* Bugs left on face/teeth as evidence of recent windshield down driving: +1 (+2 if more than a week old)
* CB radio or other communication tool (for emergency only): +1
* Hi-Lift Jack: +2
* Flexible caulking to fill leaks and body damage: +2
* Dogs as passengers, properly secured: +1 (sharing the joy of Jeeping)
* Bringing a new Jeeper into the Family: +5
* Extra Lighting, used for night-wheeling, not pastel or neon colored: +1/ea

Battle Scars:

* Mashed hood, top, etc., obviously from roll-over: +3
* Holes above glove box where passenger ripped grab-bar out: +3
* Heavily gouged rocker panels: +2
* Bloody seats: +2
* V-bent front bumper from being pulled out of that REALLY bad one: +2
* Scarred sides from those mis-judged rocks: +1
* Any small parking lot dent/scratch still identifiable: -1
* Other accessories bent, folded, mangled or mutilated: +1, EXCEPT:
* See above, but said item is owned by your spouse: +2
* No scars whatsoever: -3 (Unless Pre-CJ restored, then: +3)
* New body due to rust only: -5 (unless a rescue, see discussion below)
* New body due to damage: Previous damage points carry over (see discussion below)
* Fire Damage (bubbled paint, singed seats, etc): +2
* Limbs, Shrubs, etc attached well enough to remain at highway speed: +1/each
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Old 09-12-2012, 07:48 AM   #2598
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Here's an article I found about four years ago that someone put together about the "hierarchy" of the Jeep wave. (Must of had a lotta spare time on his/her hands!) Figured I'd post it for all the Jeep Newb's. Next time another Jeeper snubs you, ya can chase em' down and make em' read the whole dam thing!

THE JEEP WAVE:

Warning
Owning, registering, insuring, or driving a Jeep implies knowledge of and intent to abide by the following rules. Failure to obey the rules may result in your being ignored by other Jeep owners as you sit along the side of the road next to your stalled vehicle in a blizzard surrounded by Saturns, Yugos, and Hyundais.

Definition of the Jeep wave: An honor bestowed upon those drivers with superior intelligence, taste, class, and discompfort tolerance to own the ultimate vehicle- the JEEP. Generally consists of vigourous side to side motion of one or both hands, but may be modified to suit circumstances and locally accepted etiqeutte.

Examples of commonly accepted modifications:

Top off: One handed wave above windshield or outside body tub .
Top off during blizzard: Shiver and nod, hands may remain frozen to steering wheel .
Southern/rural locations: Raise fingers from steering wheel, nod.

It's not what you buy, it's what you build and what you do with it.

In keeping with this cardinal rule of Jeeping, categories have been established to account for each part of the equation.

These categories are:

* The Jeep Waving Hierarchy: Based on the vehicle itself. Takes into account the nastalgia factor, the discomfort tolerance quotient, and the amount of owner dedication required to maintain the steed.
* The Moifying Sub-categories: Based on what you do with your JEEP.
* Equipmant Adjustments: What you build.

General Rules

1. All Jeepers are responsible for upholding the tradition of the Wave. Upon contact with a higher scoring Jeep, a Jeeper is
required to initiate the Wave, and continue the Wave until:
a. The Wave is returned
b. The Wave is blatantly disregarded
c. The higher scoring vehicle has passed by and is out of sight

2. All Jeepers are required to return the Wave, unless the initiating vehicle clearly has a negative (below 0) score.

3. All Jeepers are encouraged, but not required, to return the Wave to negative balance vehicles, and take any opportunity presented to guide and mentor them about their responsibilities to their Jeeps in the hopes that they can correct the error of their ways.

4. When unsure of status or wave requirements of a particular encounter, or unable to completely assess the other Jeep's score quickly enough to ensure that the proper Jeep Wave Etiquette rules are followed, immediately initiate wave. It is the spirit of waving that is most important so when in doubt: Just Wave!

The Jeep Waving Hierarchy (JWH)

* Category A - Pre-CJ (Willys/Kaiser/MB/etc): 30
* Category B - Pre-AMC CJ: 27
* Category C - CJ: 25
* Category D - Commando: 20
* Category E - YJ: 16
* Category F - TJ: 15
* Category G - Cherokee, Wagoneer: 10
* Category H - All other Jeeps: 5
* Category I - All other 4WD vehicles EXCEPT yuppie Explorers: 0
* Category J - All other vehicles: -5

The Modifying Sub-Categories (MSCs):

MSC Guidelines:

1. MSCs must be considered during all Jeep encounters, and wave patterns must be adjusted accordingly.

2. MSC 5 is the median - the accepted norm.

3. MSCs from 1 through 4 will increase score as listed.

4. MSCs 6 and 7 will decrease score as listed.

MSC 1: Top off; vehicle, driver, and all occupants covered with mud: +30
MSC 2: Top partially off; vehicle and some occupants covered with Mud: +20
MSC 3: Top on; vehicle covered with mud: +10
MSC 4: Top off during snow, sleet, hail, or heavy rain: +5
MSC 5: Somewhat dirty: 0
MSC 6: Obviously recently washed, but immediately re-muddied a little: -10
MSC 7: Clean, dry, unscratched, untested: -30

Equipment Adjustments (EAs)

Consideration must be given to the current mechanical condition of the vehicle, including all modifications for trailworthiness, comfort, appearance, and spouse-appeasal. These are known as Equipment Adjustments (EAs). EAs are only granted after the work has been completed. We all have plans for EAs, but only the ones actually implemented can be scored.

EAs are a complicated category, and often difficult to appraise under certain conditions (passing head-to-head at 60 mph, when covered with mud, etc) but must be used to modify score when feasible. If a vehicle is so covered with mud that you are unable to ascertain any of the EAs, you MUST assume that the EAs, when combined with the MSC 1 adjustment, would place the vehicle in a higher scoring position than any non-MSC 1 Jeep, and immediately initiate the wave. Otherwise, EAs will adjust score as follows:

Engine:

* Stock, Pre-CJ, Working Condition: +2
* Stock, 8-cyl: +2
* Stock, 6-cyl: +1
* Stock, 4-cyl: 0
* Replaced, 8-cyl: +3
* Replaced, 6-cyl (replacing 4-cyl): +2
* Replaced, 6-cyl (replacing 6-cyl): 0
* Replaced, 6-cyl (replacing 8-cyl): -1
* Replaced, 4-cyl: -1

Drivetrain Modifications:

* Improved internal mechanical parts (crank/cam/etc): +2 each
* Upgraded Transmission: NV4500 or Turbo400: +3, All others: +2
* Upgraded Transfer Case: +2
* Improved exterior mechanical parts (headers/manifolds/pumps/filters/etc): +1 each
* Stone stock in a pre-1970 vehicle: +3 (for nostalgia and historical analysis)
* All Comfort enhancements removed for more power: +2

Tires:

* Stock or unremarkable: 0
* Original Tires on Pre-CJ: +2
* Slightly oversized (up to 31"): +1
* Over 31, with other appropriate mods: +2
* Any size, currently covered with mud: +2
* Working tires > 31" with original donut spare: -2
* Low-profile: -10

Suspension:

* Stock, Pre-CJ: +2 if driver can still walk after an hour in the saddle
* Body lift: +1/inch
* Suspension lift: +2/inch
* Spring-Over Lift: +3
* High-quality shocks: +2
* Lowered: -20

Other accessories/conditions:

* Winch, heavy-duty, obviously used: +2
* Winch, heavy-duty, use unclear: +1
* Other winch, obviously used: +1
* Little, chrome-covered, toy winch: -1
* Lockers: +2
* Upgraded axles: +1
* Upgraded transfer case: +1
* Each chrome accessory currently shiny: -1
* Each neon accessory: -2
* Fire extinguishers: +1
* Block and Tackle, anchors, etc: +2
* Ropes, straps, tow chains: +1
* Tow Hooks: +1
* Nerf Bars/Rock Rails, used and scarred: +2
* Nerf Bars, shiny, no scars: -1
* Heavy duty bash/skid plates: +1
* Other protective plating (diamond plate, etc): +2 if scarred, -2 if unscarred
* Extra fuel tanks/oversize fuel tanks: +1
* External Gear Carrying Rack: +1
* Multi disc-CD Player: -1
* More than one subwoofer: -1 each
* First Aid Kit: +1
* Backpack, food, emergency gear (just in case): +2
* On-board air compressor: +1
* On-board Welder: +2
* Girly, shiny chrome center caps: -1
* Krylon home-made paint job: +1 (for realizing it's just going to happen again)
* Blackout Headlight Covers: -1
* Any little flippy interior vanity mirrors: -1
* Children in vehicle: +1/each (for proper training/indoctrination), +2 if muddy, an immediate correction if not belted in.
* EARNED trip stickers/badges/etc: +1/each
* Unearned stickers/badges/etc: -2/each
* Stickers advertising for other than 4wd-related businesses: -2 (except No Fear: -5)
* MSC 1 vehicle in corporate lot sharing with neighbor vehicles: +1 per vehicle decorated
* Correct mental attitude, seen or proven: +3
* Windshield down: +1 (+2 if raining/snowing)
* Bugs left on face/teeth as evidence of recent windshield down driving: +1 (+2 if more than a week old)
* CB radio or other communication tool (for emergency only): +1
* Hi-Lift Jack: +2
* Flexible caulking to fill leaks and body damage: +2
* Dogs as passengers, properly secured: +1 (sharing the joy of Jeeping)
* Bringing a new Jeeper into the Family: +5
* Extra Lighting, used for night-wheeling, not pastel or neon colored: +1/ea

Battle Scars:

* Mashed hood, top, etc., obviously from roll-over: +3
* Holes above glove box where passenger ripped grab-bar out: +3
* Heavily gouged rocker panels: +2
* Bloody seats: +2
* V-bent front bumper from being pulled out of that REALLY bad one: +2
* Scarred sides from those mis-judged rocks: +1
* Any small parking lot dent/scratch still identifiable: -1
* Other accessories bent, folded, mangled or mutilated: +1, EXCEPT:
* See above, but said item is owned by your spouse: +2
* No scars whatsoever: -3 (Unless Pre-CJ restored, then: +3)
* New body due to rust only: -5 (unless a rescue, see discussion below)
* New body due to damage: Previous damage points carry over (see discussion below)
* Fire Damage (bubbled paint, singed seats, etc): +2
* Limbs, Shrubs, etc attached well enough to remain at highway speed: +1/each
...can we just wave and be done with it? Lol
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Old 09-12-2012, 05:14 PM   #2599
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Old 09-12-2012, 11:19 PM   #2602
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When you have to choose between heat on your feet or up top, but you can't have both at the same time. What is up with THAT??
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Old 09-13-2012, 11:31 AM   #2604
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When you have to choose between heat on your feet or up top, but you can't have both at the same time. What is up with THAT??
I can get both with the heat aimed up top.
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:54 PM   #2605
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it's a repeat but: When not one of the 5 JK's you passed on a single road on the way to work this morning gave a wave.
I hate this with a passion. People need to learn the wave or dont drive the jeep!!
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:10 PM   #2606
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I hate this with a passion. People need to learn the wave or dont drive the jeep!!
1st day with doors off today, about 40 miles round-trip, and 1-for-a-whole-bunch on waves.
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Hahaha Gilligan and the crew would've had a much better time on that island with a jeep on hand though ;D
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Old 09-14-2012, 08:11 AM   #2609
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I hate this with a passion. People need to learn the wave or dont drive the jeep!!

Actually had a JK wave yesterday, almost missed it ....knowing that the wave back was so not going to happen!
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