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Old 01-09-2012, 02:53 PM   #1
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Zone 3" lift kit, what else is needed?

So ive been back and forth since i bought my jeep on what lift is right for me. Im kind of on a budget and from what i read Zone offroad lift kits arent too bad so i think im going give them a shot. So my question is what else do i need with this kit? For example longer front brake lines, dropped pitman arm ect.. 3" TJ Suspension System

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I would go ahead and plan for a SYE/CV Driveshaft with adjustable rear upper control arms. Or you could drop the skid about one inch.

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I currently have the 3" zone lift and installed the supplied tcase drop...its only about 3/4 inch and i have zero vibes.

I will be installing a zone 1.25" body lift and zone 1" motormount lift this weekend though and will be removing the tcase drop...seriously doubt i'll have any vibes

I'm going to go agaisnt cuder and say no need to plan for an sye or cv shaft or adjustable control arms. Only reason to do that would be if youwere going to do a tummy tuck...
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Talk to Allen (AOR) on the forums, he helped me tremendously when shopping for my lift.
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Owen did you have to get longer brake lines or anything? Or did you just get the kit an bolt it on? Also if I do get it I plan to get a JKS mml instead of using the transfer case drop. Any pics?
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An thanks guys ill give him a shout
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I don't have a lift kit yet but I'm also looking at the 4.25 zone combo. Apparently Zone is part of BDS, which is really good quality maker of lift kits. The 4.25 combo seems to have everything you'll need, at least that's what it claims.
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Owen did you have to get longer brake lines or anything? Or did you just get the kit an bolt it on? Also if I do get it I plan to get a JKS mml instead of using the transfer case drop. Any pics?
No you dont have to do anything with brake lines...kit bolts right up.

I also second that you get in touch with Allen at AOR (hes in the vendor spotlight thread) and order through him...i ordered my 3" lift from him and then last week got the 1.25" body lift, mml, and quick discos.

As far as the mml...you will need a body lift as well in order to install the motor mount lift so if you're going that route, get the 4.25 combo lift and you'll be all set...if you've got the little bit extra, get the quick disconnects as well.

I've been really impressed with my zone setup which is why i've ordered more after my 3" lift...
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For a 3" lift, even a 4" or a 6", you do NOT need a drop pitman arm.
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awesome guys im siked, im going to talk to Allen soon. anyone have an pictures?
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awesome guys im siked, im going to talk to Allen soon. anyone have an pictures?
Check out the Tj lift thread.
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just did, im sold lol
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awesome guys im siked, im going to talk to Allen soon. anyone have an pictures?
It's a nice lift. Will hold up to pretty hard wheeling as well.
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nice jeep! thats excally the look im going for right there, did you do the leveling kit because you plan on adding a heavy front bumper or do i acually need it?
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It wasn't a leveling kit per se, just spacers. The PO had them installed to get rid of the stock rake. I am glad I have them cause I have some sag due to my winch at the moment but it still sits good. I also added the reset of the stuff in my sig.
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It wasn't a leveling kit per se, just spacers. The PO had them installed to get rid of the stock rake. I am glad I have them cause I have some sag due to my winch at the moment but it still sits good. I also added the reset of the stuff in my sig.
How's it ride on and off road? Has it held up well since you got it?
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Most of those shots are pre-bl.

It has held up perfect, no issues at all. I have wheeled it pretty rough a few times. My only complaints are it might be a little TOO soft for hard wheeling. I like the on road ride alot, very comfortable. I enjoy driving so much. It articulates very nice and rides nice offroad. disconnected I have very good flex. Only things I didnt like is the bar pins on the top of the shocks started rusting within a few months, that was really the only thing I ever had issues with. Its a pretty simple, low cost lift that gets you alot of bang for the buck. The springs are very nice quality IMO and gave me a little more than 3 inches initially. after settling for a few months I was right around the 3 inches. I actually have had people comment on how well it handles as far as road manners on turns. its very smooth and has a nice lean on the turns.
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Most of those shots are pre-bl.

It has held up perfect, no issues at all. I have wheeled it pretty rough a few times. My only complaints are it might be a little TOO soft for hard wheeling. I like the on road ride alot, very comfortable. I enjoy driving so much. It articulates very nice and rides nice offroad. disconnected I have very good flex. Only things I didnt like is the bar pins on the top of the shocks started rusting within a few months, that was really the only thing I ever had issues with. Its a pretty simple, low cost lift that gets you alot of bang for the buck. The springs are very nice quality IMO and gave me a little more than 3 inches initially. after settling for a few months I was right around the 3 inches. I actually have had people comment on how well it handles as far as road manners on turns. its very smooth and has a nice lean on the turns.
What'd you do about the rust problem? And how long have you had the setup?
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I have the Zone three inch suspension lift. the 1.25 body lift and mml (another brand) had all ready done the body lift before I got the suspension lift. The only thing I have added is a new front track bar (not because of lift) I've had the lift for almost a year. It performs well on road and off. Flexed and twisted this thing every way possible and so far not one problem at all. Well pleased with it so far. I forgot to mention I did use the transfer case drop. Did I need it, don't know I put it on when I got the lift and haven't took it off. Every jeep is different, but I have no vibes.

For the money, I think you will be pleased with this lift. I am on my droid and don't know how to do pics. If you will look at some of my threads you can see my jeep with the lift. Look up some of our trail pics in that section and you can see it flexed.
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Here is a before and after pic of mine...

This is just with the 3" suspension lift...my bl, mml, and discos dont come in until thursday so they wont be on until saturday.

This is with 32x11.5x15's

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I have the 3 inch zone lift and will be doing my bl and mml soon. I am having to do a sye/CV and rear upper control arms as well. initially I had to drop my t case about 1.5" not sure if the bl/mml will fix it but I plan on a tummy tuck anyway

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3" Zone diffanntly the way to go. Allen @ AOR rocks! Installed mine last year and love it. Run 33's with quick discos
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I currently have the 3" zone lift and installed the supplied tcase drop...its only about 3/4 inch and i have zero vibes.

I will be installing a zone 1.25" body lift and zone 1" motormount lift this weekend though and will be removing the tcase drop...seriously doubt i'll have any vibes

I'm going to go agaisnt cuder and say no need to plan for an sye or cv shaft or adjustable control arms. Only reason to do that would be if youwere going to do a tummy tuck...
What I should have said is if you want to install the 3" springs/1"MML without having to have your tranny skid dropped, then you should get a SYE/CV driveshaft.

Zone claims that you don't need the TC drop with the MML installed, this is a sales pitch.

Your rear driveshaft slope should be at no more than a 15 deg. and the engine/tranny slope should be equal to the rear pinion.

Also, the angles between the driveshaft and tranny/rear pinion should be no more than 3 deg., according to Tom Wood, the known leader for driveshafts.

Here is a picture of the proper geometry for a conventional two joint driveshaft.


I have the Zone Combo, installed the MML and the 3/4" TC drop with a few washers. My driveshaft slope is 15 deg now. The only way to make it less than that would be to drop the TC even more. I can run it like this with minor vibes, but it will cause my u-joints to wear out earlier than normal.

When I get a SYE/CV driveshaft and adjustable control arms I will be able to take the TC drop off.
Go to Tom's site here, read all the links in the tech info at the top of the page. Tom Wood's Custom Drive Shafts - Tom Woods Custom Drive Shafts Custom Driveshafts Specialist
Also read this article that Tom wrote.
http://www.4xshaft.com/JR7_TW_Driveshaft.pdf
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What'd you do about the rust problem? And how long have you had the setup?
Paint. Almost a year now. Wheeled prob 15-20 times.
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What I should have said is if you want to install the 3" springs/1"MML without having to have your tranny skid dropped, then you should get a SYE/CV driveshaft.

Zone claims that you don't need the TC drop with the MML installed, this is a sales pitch.

Your rear driveshaft slope should be at no more than a 15 deg. and the engine/tranny slope should be equal to the rear pinion.

Also, the angles between the driveshaft and tranny/rear pinion should be no more than 3 deg., according to Tom Wood, the known leader for driveshafts.

Here is a picture of the proper geometry for a conventional two joint driveshaft.

I have the Zone Combo, installed the MML and the 3/4" TC drop with a few washers. My driveshaft slope is 15 deg now. The only way to make it less than that would be to drop the TC even more. I can run it like this with minor vibes, but it will cause my u-joints to wear out earlier than normal.

When I get a SYE/CV driveshaft and adjustable control arms I will be able to take the TC drop off.
Go to Tom's site here, read all the links in the tech info at the top of the page. Tom Wood's Custom Drive Shafts - Tom Woods Custom Drive Shafts Custom Driveshafts Specialist
Also read this article that Tom wrote.
http://www.4xshaft.com/JR7_TW_Driveshaft.pdf
My jeep has been on the 3 inch lift with mml and NO tcase drop for over 6 months now. No vibes. No issues with ujoints. Nada. This is why they say every jeep is different. If my driveshaft ever does go then I have the excuse to drop the dough for my sye cv and new arms. but I'm confident I'll be fine for a whole longer until I'm ready to do that stuff for my build anyways.

I'd love to measure my angles for you just for the heck of it.
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Funny thing is. Raising the engine by an inch will lower the output of the tcase by say, 1/4 inch at minimum? So that cuts off maybe half a degree? So say that's all the more of a tcase drop was needed for this Tj (or LJ ). Well you just put the angle back within good guidelines. Which btw just because the Internet says 15 degrees is the limit doesn't mean you driveshaft and ujoints know that. I highly doubt that read the forums.

In some cases a mml will allow you to run with no tc drop. In some cases it won't. That about it.
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I might be a little late to this party. Haha

I got the zone 4 inches lift and it came with everything I need to put it on, it would not hurt to get a longer drive shaft but this lift came with all the good stuff! Haha I got a pic of what all it came with.

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That's everything I hot with it and it was only $500 do not bad really and I have before and after pictures

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Looks good, tires a little small but have to take it one step at a time!

and the lift its self, it really gave me 4 1/4 inches of lift.
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I might be a little late to this party. Haha

I got the zone 4 inches lift and it came with everything I need to put it on, it would not hurt to get a longer drive shaft but this lift came with all the good stuff! Haha I got a pic of what all it came with.

That's everything I hot with it and it was only $500 do not bad really and I have before and after pictures

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Looks good, tires a little small but have to take it one step at a time!

and the lift its self, it really gave me 4 1/4 inches of lift.
How big is the tcase drop on that sucker.
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Here is a few pics after the lift.








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looks great what size/brand tires are those?..Ive been talking with Allen if all goes well i should be ordering it on friday! Have any of you added spacers to the front to it out?

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