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Old 05-08-2011, 12:19 AM   #1
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Zone 3" vs. 4" Lift

I've been going through the search function to try to find answers to my questions, but I am still a little unsure. Here is my situation, I bought a stock TJ, 6 cyl, last week that my 16 year old son will drive when I am not stealing it to go wheelin' We are heading to Moab this fall for a week and it will also be used off-road here in Idaho. I would like to set it up with 33" tires so I need a lift. I don't want to spend a lot of money and I read good things about Zone. Here is where I start getting a bit confused (yes, I'm a newb but I am learning). I read where 4" is the start of special problems/equipment costing a lot of money, but the Zone 3" & 4" lifts seems pretty complete.

The question is 3" vs 4"? And then comes the question of body lift. Why would one choose a 3" lift with a 1" or so body lift over a 4" lift or vice versa? Money is about the same. They state brake lines don't need extending in either. Remember I have a 16 year old behind the wheel so I don't want something too tippy.

The 4" Kit comes with "massive lower control arms." How big of deal is this? I would also like some opinions regarding the Nitro gas shock upgrade.

From what I can tell a MML is better than using the kit's transfer case drops, is this correct? At least you buy an inch or so of clearance.

I would appreciate your thoughts on:
- 3" kit with or with out MML & with or with out Nitro gas shocks
- 3" kit plus body lift with or with out MML & with or with out Nitro gas shocks
- 4" kit with or with out MML & with or with out Nitro gas shocks

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with the 4 inch kit, your getting to the point where you will need a SYE, CV drive shaft, and rear upper adjustable control arms, so thats something like another $700 for everything.

with the 3 inch and 1 inch BL, you can use the t case drop it comes with, and if you still need something, instal a motor mount lift to help out(or do the MML first, and then drop your t case if still needed, personally what would do)
with the 1.25 bl combo that they have(i think they still have it, last time i looked they did) you also have room for high clearance skids down the road.

i have not had any experience to the shocks, so i cant speak about those.

im short, if i were in your shoes, i would do the 3 inch kit, 1.25 inch BL and the motor mount lift.

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Old 05-08-2011, 01:53 AM   #3
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I just wanted to make sure that you know that you will need to re-gear if you go with 33s.

I go with the 3". The higher you go the more things you have to add to your Wrangler and you will lose stability. I would encourage you to think about it.
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I am actually leaning toward the 4". Talked with the owner of a local shop who will put on the lift and that's one question I asked him about was the SYE. He told me that yes a lot of people get it, but it's not mandatory. I will be talking to him on Monday in person if you'd like for me to pass on the questions. He went with a 4" for his JK and has no problems with it. But I do agree with others that yes there can be issues with raising a jeep 4 or more inches which is why I personally would not go higher than that. From what I've read on the zone site is that it is a complete starter kit. Please let us know what you decided on.
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Old 05-08-2011, 03:22 AM   #5
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most jeep guys i've talked to say the SYE is pretty much a must with a 4" and beyond...

why not just a 3 and a body lift...cheaper and easier
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Old 05-08-2011, 07:33 AM   #6
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I have the 3" Zone lift with Nitro shocks on my LJ. I am running 33's with the stock 3.73 gears and have no problems. The Nitros are a little stiff for me but I plan on adding extra weight later (rear tire carrier, winch, etc) so I went that way. If you want closer to stock just stick with the shocks that come with the kit. It gave me almost 4" of lift anyway.

People on this forum always seem push new gears with bigger tires, but if you stay at 33's you should be fine.
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I also went with the 3" Zone because I'm a high school student on a budget. I didn't upgrade my shocks which was the better choice for me since my jeep won't see as much offroading as I would like. And just installed the t-case that came with it so I didnt have to worry about buying a sye. But the 3" cleared 33s easy and still plenty of room to flex. An even if you still want more clearance It's cheaper overall to add a 1.25 bl than a 4" lift. I also have 3.73 gear like minderbinder3 and my jeep runs fine at all speeds and I didnt notice any significant lose in power.
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I am actually leaning toward the 4". Talked with the owner of a local shop who will put on the lift and that's one question I asked him about was the SYE. He told me that yes a lot of people get it, but it's not mandatory. I will be talking to him on Monday in person if you'd like for me to pass on the questions. He went with a 4" for his JK and has no problems with it. But I do agree with others that yes there can be issues with raising a jeep 4 or more inches which is why I personally would not go higher than that. From what I've read on the zone site is that it is a complete starter kit. Please let us know what you decided on.
I would appreciate your speaking to the shop owner about my questions and getting back, thanks.

Thanks for the other replies as well.

Anyone else want to chime in?
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Yes you need 4" to really wheel 33" tire without rubbing but here's how to get around the 4" suspension lift's requirements for more expensive parts like the SYE kit and CV driveshaft.

Intead of a 4" suspension lift, install their 3" suspension lift plus an inexpensive 1" body lift that will only cost $100 or so if you go with Performance Accessories. So you get the 4" of clearance you need without the issues a 4" suspension lift gives.

Not to mention a 3" suspension lift plus 1" body lift gives a slightly lower center-of-gravity than a 4" suspension gives. A very nice benefit to running that combination.
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Old 05-08-2011, 11:41 AM   #10
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And on the JK issue, I'm pretty sure that the JK's already have a non-slip yoke, and possibly a CV? I'm not sure but I believe that is why 4" lifts on them aren't as prevalent for driveline vibes.

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