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Old 06-29-2013, 03:47 PM   #31
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I put in a 3 inch zone without a tcase drop and had crazy vibes. brought it back in the garage and slapped the drop on, it only too 10 minutes. it's not a big deal

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I'm going to throw in my final .02 as this has turned into a debate about who's right and who's wrong. Neither of anyone of you including myself are wrong. We all have our own points about these two lifts. No one asked the OP what his intentions are. I asked a ton of questions on here about which company to go with. I was looking at SkyJacker's sport lift for $540. Was told to stay away from their poorly made design and I could go much better. Teraflex was another company I looked at but their prices range n the thousands for the most economical lift. Fabtech was another option because they offered a basic 3" for everything at $999. They no longer make this kit. I then found a local Jeeper who has the Zone 3" and we talked just about every week. He gave me pros and cons. I was lucky enough to find a local shop that I could go into and talk about it. Ended up riding along with him in his Zone 4.25" rig and loved it.

As far as "setting my sky high" every company out there can give you the components to adequately lift their rig. Some more capable than others yes. But Zone will do the job just as well as any other company. Zone is still a fairly new company and there's not a lot on them. But the ones that I've talked to have been very happy with it. I know there is a thread n here that talks about the Zone from other Jeepers. That's where the OP can also go for more info. Or onto their website.

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Old 06-29-2013, 03:53 PM   #33
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I've had a 3" BDS lift, MML, 1" BL on my blue Jeep for about 30k miles now. I did have problem with control arm bushings after first installed but BDS replaced all four control arms with a newer design, great customer service. Rides great, drives great never sagged or broke any part of the lift. I have nothing but good things to say about BDS!
Some Big changes are coming this fall ( parts are stacking up in the garage ) and the new lift is also BDS.
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Thanks for opinions. I didn't really mean to set if a heated debate. To be specific I about my I tent ions is that I am looking for an aggressive stance that can also perform on mild trails and mud. This is a DD that will see pavement 99% of time. I originally was going to do a BB or JK coils but have realized that I have a busted shock. Descent shocks are going to cost me $200 + so I thought spend a little more and lift it. I am sure that zone and BDS aren't the best that the market has to offer but my budget doesn't allow for $1000 lift if so I would go bigger. I just wanted to make sure that neither was junk and to here opinions in which makes a better DD.
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Thanks for opinions. I didn't really mean to set if a heated debate. To be specific I about my I tent ions is that I am looking for an aggressive stance that can also perform on mild trails and mud. This is a DD that will see pavement 99% of time. I originally was going to do a BB or JK coils but have realized that I have a busted shock. Descent shocks are going to cost me $200 + so I thought spend a little more and lift it. I am sure that zone and BDS aren't the best that the market has to offer but my budget doesn't allow for $1000 lift if so I would go bigger. I just wanted to make sure that neither was junk and to here opinions in which makes a better DD.
So are you sticking with 31" tires or going with 33" tires?

If this is a DD that is on pavement 99% of the time, and your on 31's, no need to lift it at all for mild trails and mud. Stock suspension geometry is the best.

If your insisting of lifting and want to keep a nice ride, then go with the proper rate OME coils and the basic nitrocharger shocks offered with them.
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TO the OP. I would go with a ZONE 3" and be happy without a SYE and so on. I have heard nothing but good stuff about there 4.25" combo also. I personally know 2 people with the combo and no SYE needed. IT uses the 1"MML.
As I said, unless you are building an all out trail rig then no need for paying top dollar for the look and stance for a DD.
DO what feels right and be happy with your choice. Everyone will have an opinion but why pay top dollar for just a name???
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I like your TJ. Always loved the "Sahara" Edition. Looks like you were a smart boy going with 33x10.5's too. What were you running for shocks on those BDS springs? I know the rear springs require a really good shock to keep under control and not fade.
Mahalo NJO, the shocks were the 5500 Series Shocks although I am not sure on the specific part numbers but they were the ones that came with the 2" lift .

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I'm afraid of the power loss I will get if I go 33's so I will probably stick with 31's for now. I want the lift mostly for looks which is why I was considering BB originally. From what I have read on here it seems a bb hurts ride quality so I thought about looking at new springs. My budget or intentions don't really justify or allow the $1000 OME. I have found both BDS and zone for about $350. This of course is not much more than a Bb with new shocks which is why I was interested in one of these 2 lifts.

I do appreciate all opinions but since my budget ( wife) don't allow to buy the best I would really like help choosing between these 2 lifts.
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I just installed a BDS 3" on my 12 JK... running 315/70/17 tires... the only issue I had was the rear exhaust expanding when the Jeep was warm causing it to touch the rear sway bar. A minor adjustment fixed that though. Love it!
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I'd do the shorter lift if you're only going to have 31's IMO. The 3" might make it look funny.
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I'm afraid of the power loss I will get if I go 33's so I will probably stick with 31's for now. I want the lift mostly for looks which is why I was considering BB originally. From what I have read on here it seems a bb hurts ride quality so I thought about looking at new springs. My budget or intentions don't really justify or allow the $1000 OME. I have found both BDS and zone for about $350. This of course is not much more than a Bb with new shocks which is why I was interested in one of these 2 lifts.

I do appreciate all opinions but since my budget ( wife) don't allow to buy the best I would really like help choosing between these 2 lifts.
OK, now knowing all this here is what you should do. Sticking with 31's, and just wanting a more agressive look you should completely bypass doing a suspension lift at all. 33's alone and the rims will cost you well north of $1000 right there. Obviously you're not doing that.

So what you should be looking at is a 1" BODY lift. A 1" kit from Daystar(giving you all new body bushings)will run you about $125-150. Then a M.O.R.E. steering riser kit to compliment the BL will set you back another $40. And a 1" MML from Browndog is another 100 bucks. THese 3 items combined will give you the more agressive look and properly set you up for a suspension lift in the future if you should ever decide to do larger tires.

By doing just a 1" BL setup, you stay within your budget and get a more agressive look, but more importantly you keep your drivetrain and suspension geometry intact. Your axles stay properly centered, along with your wheels in the wells, you don't mess with AS/AD #'s, and your not necessarily forced into using obnoxiously stiff springs on a stock weight Jeep that you very well may not like.

So I would highly recommend going this route it will suit your needs best and in the process prep you in the future for doing a mild suspension lift when the funds allow and most importantly allow you to do ALOT of RESEARCH on the matter of suspension lifts for the TJ.
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OK, now knowing all this here is what you should do. Sticking with 31's, and just wanting a more agressive look you should completely bypass doing a suspension lift at all. 33's alone and the rims will cost you well north of $1000 right there. Obviously you're not doing that.

So what you should be looking at is a 1" BODY lift. A 1" kit from Daystar(giving you all new body bushings)will run you about $125-150. Then a M.O.R.E. steering riser kit to compliment the BL will set you back another $40. And a 1" MML from Browndog is another 100 bucks. THese 3 items combined will give you the more agressive look and properly set you up for a suspension lift in the future if you should ever decide to do larger tires.

By doing just a 1" BL setup, you stay within your budget and get a more agressive look, but more importantly you keep your drivetrain and suspension geometry intact. Your axles stay properly centered, along with your wheels in the wells, you don't mess with AS/AD #'s, and your not necessarily forced into using obnoxiously stiff springs on a stock weight Jeep that you very well may not like.

So I would highly recommend going this route it will suit your needs best and in the process prep you in the future for doing a mild suspension lift when the funds allow and most importantly allow you to do ALOT of RESEARCH on the matter of suspension lifts for the TJ.
No need to do a Motor Mount Lift when doing a Body Lift just buy a Good BL kit that includes the fan shroud relocation brackets and the transfer case bracket.
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No need to do a Motor Mount Lift when doing a Body Lift just buy a Good BL kit that includes the fan shroud relocation brackets and the transfer case bracket.
I would do it just the same, then no fan shroud bracket is needed, and shift boot/linkage case brackets end up lining up better regardless and keep the relation between the tranny/tc and body nearly the same in terms of clearance.
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I would do it just the same, then no fan shroud bracket is needed, and shift boot/linkage case brackets end up lining up better regardless and keep the relation between the tranny/tc and body nearly the same in terms of clearance.
I agree however you might be messing with the tcase output angle too much for a stock height jeep.
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I agree however you might be messing with the tcase output angle too much for a stock height jeep.
No actually the rear output wont be affected in a negative way at all......quite a few feet from the mm to the tcm.......talkin a degree or 2....
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31's on a 3" lift look perfectly fine... and +1 on just doing BL + MML without screwing with the fan. -1 on doing anything with the steering.
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I don't think you would see any negative effects, you're right, but the tcase and axle will no longer be parallel. In my experience it's around 3 degrees change from an inch MML. Not a big difference at all, but just something to not. If the OP does decide to go with a small suspension lift in the future that might prevent issues with vibrations.
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I don't think you would see any negative effects, you're right, but the tcase and axle will no longer be parallel. In my experience it's around 3 degrees change from an inch MML. Not a big difference at all, but just something to not. If the OP does decide to go with a small suspension lift in the future that might prevent issues with vibrations.
I don't see any reason why OP wouldn't go with a spacer kit in addition to the BL. | TeraFlex Suspensions

Would give him approx 2" of lift total.
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NJO, I had thought about a BL but all parts that you are suggesting adds up to be almost $300. This doesn't take into the fact that I need new shocks, regardless of if I lift or not. Rancho 5100 shocks will run a little over $200. So a body lift and new shocks are $500 vs the mild suspension lift with shocks for ~$350. This so why I was lookin at lift
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OK, now knowing all this here is what you should do. Sticking with 31's, and just wanting a more agressive look you should completely bypass doing a suspension lift at all. 33's alone and the rims will cost you well north of $1000 right there. Obviously you're not doing that.

So what you should be looking at is a 1" BODY lift. A 1" kit from Daystar(giving you all new body bushings)will run you about $125-150. Then a M.O.R.E. steering riser kit to compliment the BL will set you back another $40. And a 1" MML from Browndog is another 100 bucks. THese 3 items combined will give you the more agressive look and properly set you up for a suspension lift in the future if you should ever decide to do larger tires.

By doing just a 1" BL setup, you stay within your budget and get a more agressive look, but more importantly you keep your drivetrain and suspension geometry intact. Your axles stay properly centered, along with your wheels in the wells, you don't mess with AS/AD #'s, and your not necessarily forced into using obnoxiously stiff springs on a stock weight Jeep that you very well may not like.

So I would highly recommend going this route it will suit your needs best and in the process prep you in the future for doing a mild suspension lift when the funds allow and most importantly allow you to do ALOT of RESEARCH on the matter of suspension lifts for the TJ.
Yup, given the OP's requirements - this would be the route to take.
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I don't see any reason why OP wouldn't go with a spacer kit in addition to the BL. | TeraFlex Suspensions

Would give him approx 2" of lift total.
I never said he shouldn't. If he wants close 2 inches of lift I would go with a small suspension lift. BL by itself is a waste of time. Only reason I run a BL is for my tuck.

I would go with a small suspension lift and some beefy 31s. A few inches of lift don't actually impact suspension geometry or other numbers that badly.
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I don't think you would see any negative effects, you're right, but the tcase and axle will no longer be parallel. In my experience it's around 3 degrees change from an inch MML. Not a big difference at all, but just something to not. If the OP does decide to go with a small suspension lift in the future that might prevent issues with vibrations.
Raising the MM an inch would mean that the tc output would have 2.2 degree difference......or 1.1 degree difference for each DS U joint. 100% non factor. And alot better than tossing your axle and wheel alignment out of whach a bit by doing a 3" suspension lift, not to mention the driveline angles will be much worse. For 31's a suspension lift makes no sense. A 1" BL......and maybe a TT down the road for 31's makes ALOT more sense in many different ways with no downsides.
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Raising the MM an inch would mean that the tc output would have 2.2 degree difference......or 1.1 degree difference for each DS U joint. 100% non factor. And alot better than tossing your axle and wheel alignment out of whach a bit by doing a 3" suspension lift, not to mention the driveline angles will be much worse. For 31's a suspension lift makes no sense. A 1" BL......and maybe a TT down the road for 31's makes ALOT more sense in many different ways with no downsides.
I already said it wouldn't be an issue. My mml changed my t case angle nearly 3 degrees. That's actual measurement not theoretical. 3 inches of suspension lift barely affects the caster at all and the axle alignment is easy to correct. The only issue could be a driveline problem.

Now I never suggested a 3 inch lift. I'm thinking more 2-2.5 inches of suspension (aka SMALL) with 31s. Doing this small lift will gain you the same clearance all around that the tummy tuck does (for only the frame) not to mention a body lift doesn't do anything for clearance at the frame and lowest points. It also makes room for bigger tires later on. With a suspension you also gain useable suspension travel in addition to clearance. Not to mention a body lift is ugly.
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Not to mention a body lift is ugly.
I thought so too, but I can't even tell it's there with just 1"
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From my understanding my TJ can handle 31's stock. I was interested in the suspension lift because my shocks are busted and my factory spring are 13 years old and have 100k miles on them. I assumed that by replacing both would improve my ride and handling. When I started pricing shocks I realized I can actually lift the jeep for a few hundred more. So why not do suspension now? I new new tires anyway I could move up to 33
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From my understanding my TJ can handle 31's stock. I was interested in the suspension lift because my shocks are busted and my factory spring are 13 years old and have 100k miles on them. I assumed that by replacing both would improve my ride and handling. When I started pricing shocks I realized I can actually lift the jeep for a few hundred more. So why not do suspension now? I new new tires anyway I could move up to 33
Yep it can, but you wanted a more agressive look. A 1" BL for 31's would make alot more sense in numerous ways besides giving your Jeep a more agressive stance.

A. You keep your stock wheelbase(it doesn't shorten up which it will on a basic 2-3" suspension lift)
B. Your axles will remain centered(lifting will offset the axles without adjustable trackbar/trackbar brackets)
C. Your AD/AS #'s remain fully intact(Lifting and having arms non parallel to the ground will affect these #'s)The greater the suspension lift on short arms, the worse these #'s and handling characteristics get)
D. Rear driveshaft angle gets worse the higher you lift with suspension and can cause vibes. Keeping stock suspension eliminates this possibility.
E. Alot of the cheaper suspension lifts that use springs are much stiffer than stock. Which is why OME is so popular because it has alot of spring choices that use factory ratings.
F. Another side benefit to the 1" BL is that you now have much better access to your frame rails for cleaning and rust maintenance work etc.

Even if you were to do 33's I would still highly recommend the 1" BL, and then doing a 2" suspension lift(Using a kit that utilizes springs with factory ratings) instead of a 3" suspension lift with NO body lift on top of it. Too many benefits with no disadvantages.

And since you only have 4-500 bucks in the budget, you should pick up the 1" BL, 1" MML and steering riser bracket first(work from the inside out on a build regardless of how mild or wild it is), and then figure out if your sticking with 31's or going to 33's. If 31's, take the money saved and do a nice tummy tuck(and in reality for example say a 2.5" tummy tuck........that is equal to a 2.5" suspension lift in reality). Or if your going to 33's do a 2" suspension lift then on top of your 1" BL.

Key to any build though is to carefully plan out your build and do things in LOGICAL order.
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Wow, this got sideways quick. To the OPs question- I went with the BDS 2" suspension lift after doing allot of research.

My needs may be different, and my Jeep is a weekend runaround vehicle. The BDS lifted me almost 3" and provides a very good ride both on and off road.

I did nothing additional for this suspension lift!
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I bought 1" H&R springs and ran 31" tires with no problem. Everything else remained stock and had no issues.

Did not even need an alignment adjustment afterwards, your's may as every Jeep is differnent.

I added a 1.25" BL later to run the 32's I planned on getting, and now have, as well as to do a Tummy Tuck(Done). All is complete now and just upgrading the factory upper control arms now, then done for the most part.

Just another option and path taken.
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I thought so too, but I can't even tell it's there with just 1"
I certainly can. Once you are around a lot of different trail rigs that are built on different trains of thought you can see the benefits disadvantages. Like I said I wouldn't want one other than for my tuck.


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