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Old 07-26-2013, 09:13 PM   #61
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Just drop the tcase a ton til you do get the stuff in. It will be ugly. But you won't hurt anything then. Is it worth hurting your vehicle for a few weeks?

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It shouldn't cost you another 1k. The SYE and CV is around 4-500

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It shouldn't cost you another 1k. The SYE and CV is around 4-500
how would you rotate the diff?

quality adjustable arms will cost $500-$600 for the rears
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how would you rotate the diff?

quality adjustable arms will cost $500-$600 for the rears
True. Ok so another grand and you're good to go.
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how would you rotate the diff?

quality adjustable arms will cost $500-$600 for the rears
ANd now your spring perches CA and trackbar mounts on the axle are way out of alignment and now they need to be cut off and rewelded back into correct orientation.

Adjustable control arms are great for FINE TUNING..........but if you got to rotate the pinion up a significant amount, the only correct thing to do is cut off and reweld the axle mounts into the correct position.
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ANd now your spring perches CA and trackbar mounts on the axle are way out of alignment and now they need to be cut off and rewelded back into correct orientation.

Adjustable control arms are great for FINE TUNING..........but if you got to rotate the pinion up a significant amount, the only correct thing to do is cut off and reweld the axle mounts into the correct position.
Right, one more step to doing it right at that height
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You guys win. I'm going to do the SYE and CV drive shaft now along with upper control arms. It sounds like Tom Wood is the way to go for the drive line. What about some reasonable (not to end) upper control arms? Any affordable favorites?
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You guys win. I'm going to do the SYE and CV drive shaft now along with upper control arms. It sounds like Tom Wood is the way to go for the drive line. What about some reasonable (not to end) upper control arms? Any affordable favorites?
You can spend the money for the "Tom Woods" name, but Carolina Driveshaft actually makes a nicer unit for significantly less money. For $400 shipped you can get a kit that includes an Advanced Adaptors SYE, and a custom DS that includes FULL SPLINES, SPICER U JOINTS, and spline mud boot. Save yourself a few hundred bucks over the TW unit. Lifetime warranty too.
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Get a super short SYE, not the AA SYE. And try to get your driveshaft made at a local driveline shop; if you find a good one it will be good relationship to have. You can start buy buying a used Cherokee front driveshaft.
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I'm going to go ahead and get the adjustable rear upper control arms and the adjustable rear track bar. I'm planning to go with Rubicon Express. Are these two parts the right parts I'm looking for and my only necessary items prior to the SVE and drive shaft?

Rubicon Express Part RE3783 - Control Arm Rear Adjustable Upper Super-Flex TJ/LJ/ZJ/ Pair-RH1

Rubicon Express Part RE1620 - Track Bar Adjustable Rear TJ/LJ 3.5"+-RH1

Really appreciate the help guys
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I'd recommend not going with RE.

Go with a JB Conversions tail housing, drive shaft of your choice, Savvy or MC control arms, and Currie or MC rear track bar. Do not make the mistake of thinking rear upper control arms are all you need. You need adjustable lower control arms to be able to position the axle housing correctly once it's rotated up. Not enough people understand what happens when you rotate the axle housing.
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Solid advice. And although you may be able to get by with only uppers, depending how much you really adjust your pinion angle, lowers are also a good idea. I've also heard great things about the MC trackbars.

I'll throw a plug in here for adams offroad drive shafts, a few of us around here run them and love them and lifetime warranty on the welds etc as well. 245 to your door.
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I'm going to go ahead and get the adjustable rear upper control arms and the adjustable rear track bar. I'm planning to go with Rubicon Express. Are these two parts the right parts I'm looking for and my only necessary items prior to the SVE and drive shaft?

Rubicon Express Part RE3783 - Control Arm Rear Adjustable Upper Super-Flex TJ/LJ/ZJ/ Pair-RH1

Rubicon Express Part RE1620 - Track Bar Adjustable Rear TJ/LJ 3.5"+-RH1

Really appreciate the help guys
Only get the RE stuff if you can get cheap used stuff. .. Less money wasted up front.

I don't know what the consensus is these days on JKS, but my track bar worked for me.
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Only get the RE stuff if you can get cheap used stuff. .. Less money wasted up front.

I don't know what the consensus is these days on JKS, but my track bar worked for me.
I can get those two new for $300 to my door. Seemed like a solid mid-grade brand for my mild wheeling ambitions. Again, I don't plan on doing any crawling or hardcore wheeling. Just looking for a setup that I can enjoy on the road and on some trails. That being said, is RE still not a good option?
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Old 07-29-2013, 03:40 PM   #75
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I would go best quality or not at all. I'm running stock bars front and rear, and all it really takes is drilling some holes at the right spot in the brackets to do that. The front is easy. If you are set on spending less money, drill and reenforce the front and buy the MC/currie for the rear.
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I can get those two new for $300 to my door. Seemed like a solid mid-grade brand for my mild wheeling ambitions. Again, I don't plan on doing any crawling or hardcore wheeling. Just looking for a setup that I can enjoy on the road and on some trails. That being said, is RE still not a good option?
most of the quality parts you can buy are more noticeable on the street than the trail.

when you look at control arms you want to get a set with johnny joints or mc's flex joint, they are the most reliable sets on the market.

for track bars, the MC stuff looks great and is getting stellar reviews, I just ordered the front track bar and have no personal experience at the moment.

RE was a somewhat reputable company a couple years back, then they went under and they were purchased by 4wheelparts. for the same money, i'd steer clear of them and grab either MC or Currie. they are known to be the benchmark for these parts and RE wants about the same money
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That being said, is RE still not a good option?
Yes, it could be a good option for you. I like the rubber bushing on one side For a moderate wheeler. I am ashamed to admit that mine are still good.

I really can't speak to whether they have overcome their bushing issues. That said, I wish I had bought some used stuff and worked with it.

I don't know if I'd ever put aluminum control arms on my Jeep (I DO hate rust, but would prefer stainless), but the double adjustability is a sweet feature of the savvy arms.

I guess I'd say that if your going to go cheap, go really cheap.
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RE wants about the same money
I didn't realize that.
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re rear track bar - $165
mc rear track bar - $159
currie is a bit more expensive but they are heat treated and use a johnny joint so there are added expenses

re rear uppers - $240
mc rear uppers - $240
savvy rear uppers - $280
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Just picked up on this thread. I am running the Zone 4" lift on 33" and have no driveline vibration with the tcase drop. No SYE or DS change. I do have discos and extended brake lines so when I off road I can get the max articulation without fear of losing the brakes. It runs better than stock but anything can do that.
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The total on Amazon for the RE parts is $306 to my door. I'm not trying to be cheap but I've put a good chunk of money into a Jeep I've had for less than a month and I'm trying to be realistic about how I plan to use it. I understand there's always a top of the line product but does RE make a product that will suffice and last me when I take it wheeling 5-6 times a year.

Rubicon Express RE3783 Upper Super-Flex Control Arm - Rubicon Express $179.70
You save: $79.10 ( 31%)






Rubicon Express RE1620 Rear Track Bar for Jeep TJ - Rubicon Express
$127.28
You save: $50.61 ( 28%)
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Rock on brother! You will be happy.
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Old 08-02-2013, 05:13 PM   #83
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Funny how posters were all-in; right until the trigger was pulled.

How did the OP make out?
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I'm not trying to be cheap.........
Yes you are.
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My TJ is at the shop now getting the lift and stuff installed. Picking it up tomorrow around noon and I'm pretty pumped about it.

I made about five phone calls today for someone to install an SYE this week. Looks like I'll be doing it myself because not many shops are willing to do it. Watched some videos and think it's something I could probably tackle.
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My TJ is at the shop now getting the lift and stuff installed. Picking it up tomorrow around noon and I'm pretty pumped about it.

I made about five phone calls today for someone to install an SYE this week. Looks like I'll be doing it myself because not many shops are willing to do it. Watched some videos and think it's something I could probably tackle.
If you need someone to install a lift kit for you, then your going to have a hell of a time doing a SYE/DS DIY.
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Love how friendly some people are on here

I'm fortunate enough to have two jobs and a two year old. It's time that I don't have. I don't mind spending a Saturday on something but don't want to tackle a project that takes up the entire weekend. The SYE actually looks pretty straight forward
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Love how friendly some people are on here

I'm fortunate enough to have two jobs and a two year old. It's time that I don't have. I don't mind spending a Saturday on something but don't want to tackle a project that takes up the entire weekend. The SYE actually looks pretty straight forward
Just stating installing a lift kit takes half the time and effort of installing a SYE kit.
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Just giving you a hard time. I've heard a SYE takes 3 hours and Zone says the lift takes 6 hours.
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I can do an sye in probably two hours start to finish if I have the tools on hand. Letting the rtv set properly is probably the thing that takes the most time.

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