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Old 06-28-2009, 06:20 PM   #1
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4" lift and 4.88 gears.

Been awhile since I posted but Im getting my 95 4 banger lifted this week and wanted your opinions.

Im getting a Skyjacker 4" lift and having 4.88 gears installed front and rear, so I can run 33" tires.

Its just a weekend vehicle at this point and Im not doing any heavy 4 wheeling yet.

I just want to get the Jeep up higher and looking better, but I want to be able to grow into more off-road as my kids get older.

Im not getting an SYE kit at this time and other than the gear upgrade, Im not adding anything else to the axles.

Do you think this will be sufficient for a mostly on-road Jeep? And if I want to off-road more in the future, will it be easy to upgrade from this present build? Or should I add some other equipment while its getting worked on now?

Im obvioulsly dropping some cash for the lift, gears, tires and wheels and dont want to spend much more at this time. But if theres soemthing you think I should do now....to save money on future installation costs or soemthing I should add to redude the risk of breakage or screwing the Jeep up please let me know.

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Old 06-28-2009, 06:28 PM   #2
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Do you have an auto or 5 spd?

I would get the tires and see how bad life is before you do the gears. That's a lot of money to sink into a dana 35. Any plans to ever put a locker in the Jeep?

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Its a 5 spd manual.

Im trying to figure out if I need the locker or not, but its one of the things Im thinking about.

Could you enlighten me about the locker? And what you think the cost would be to install now while regearing as apposed to later?

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Old 06-28-2009, 06:44 PM   #4
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Cost for a locker when installing the gears really should not add very much at all. You have to remove everything to get the new gears in so the locker be it a drop in such as a lock right or a full case as a detroit is simple.

The issue with the dana 35 and a locker is.. they don't like each other, the stock 27 spline shafts tend to snap.. I have seen it with 31's and a lockright. If you upgrade to the stronger 30 spline shafts then it will live for a nice long time. But those kits run just under 1k if they have the locker with them, and some folks still feel its a weak axle. But a dana 44 will run 1000-2500 depending what you do..

The front dana 30 and a locker is fine. The issue comes in if you have to drive in a lot of snow..being in the front you have to fight the steering, and in some cases going in 2wd is far better! That ways my case. Locker in just there back in snow was fine in my CJ.

Of course if you get a selectable unit, ARB, OX etc then no worries..
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Old 06-28-2009, 06:53 PM   #5
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So if I get a kit that changes the splines to 30 and has the locker, then my Dana 35 should be good for most circumstances, even moderate 4 wheeling?

Just making sure I understand....in fact could you expain exactly what the locker is for and how it works?

I know Im asking alot, but i really want to understand what Im doing so I make the best choices. I would rather spend the money now than to break the axles and have alot more expense down the road.

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Old 06-28-2009, 07:22 PM   #6
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A locker "locks" the axle shafts together so both spin no matter what.. thus more traction. VS. being "open" where the tire with the least resistance gets the power.

There are several dana 35 kits on the market.. they include upgraded shafts and a locker, detriot or a arb or OX if I am not mistaken. The detroit locker is always on no matter what. It will make banging, sounds, you will know its there on the street. The OX and ARB are selectable lockers, you either push a button or pull a cable.. The ARB needs an air source to work.. the ox does not, but the cable must be routed correctly.

The upgraded dana 35's can handle 33's just fine. Buddy of mine ran one for 5 or 6 years before he needed to replace the locker as it broke,but was still able to be driven at highway speeds for a while.

Best advice I can give you is figure out how far you want to go with the jeep, what kind of trail do you want to do. Sure you can add or replace anything you want down the road, but the cost of redoing can bug the heck out of ya.

If I where locking a dana 35 and had the money I would get an ARB or OX locker and add superiors axle truss to it and call it a day. If I didn't want to go that route, I would look for a junk yard ford 8.8 or a 9".
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before i put any money in a d35 i'd upgrade. even the cost of just gears, you could put to something else. and then locker to, might as well build a different axle. if you have the vacuum disconnect axle that would make a locker up front a little more road friendly.
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Uhhuhuhuh, you posted at 420.

Sorry.

Good conversation here. A decision is yours to make. Stay with the 35 and gear and lock it or move to a 44 or a 8.8 or something else.

My opinion (yeah) stay with the 35 if you stay with 33's and aren't going to beat it to death on the rocks. It should hold up to the road and all easy/moderate trails and the occasional hard trail. A locker in a 35 is a dicey situation especially if you ever have to use it.

If you are going to EVER go to 35's or bigger or if you are going to start taking it out to do difficult trails, upgrade the axle (and gears and a locker).

Just my 2 cents.
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Uhhuhuhuh, you posted at 420.

Sorry.

Good conversation here. A decision is yours to make. Stay with the 35 and gear and lock it or move to a 44 or a 8.8 or something else.

My opinion (yeah) stay with the 35 if you stay with 33's and aren't going to beat it to death on the rocks. It should hold up to the road and all easy/moderate trails and the occasional hard trail. A locker in a 35 is a dicey situation especially if you ever have to use it.

If you are going to EVER go to 35's or bigger or if you are going to start taking it out to do difficult trails, upgrade the axle (and gears and a locker).

Just my 2 cents.
So would you regear the 35 if you stayed with it?


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you said you wanna grow into more offroad as the kids get older, sounds like you wanna keep the jeep around. i like to plan on doing something once. but with jeeps, even when you think you're planning that, you still change it later. stevens243 put it well, decide what you wanna do. a d35 is almost worthless, i end up scrapping them cuz no one wants them. i wouldn't put more than 50 bux in one, any more money can go to a better axle, thats just me though. just remember how our disease works, you always want bigger, better, and more, so don't settle now if you think you'll change later.
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I'd regear the d35 IF I planned on upgrading the axle shaft and not taking that thing out and beating on it.

If you plan on more, wait, pause, spend $$$ on a 44 or 8.8 / 9 inch (or more if you find a deal) and do it then.

So, the question I have is: Do you NEED gears right NOW? Do you NEED a rear locker right NOW? If "no" is the response and yes to Q1, wait and spend money once like Dave says.

FYI: I had a 2000 TJ with a D35 and when I wanted to start building and learned what you are learning, I said "screw it" and bought an 06 Rubi....
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if you're doing the work yourself, swapping to an 8.8 is cheap. especially if you're already planning to regear. you will be happier in the long run. OTOH, if you're not playing in the rocks, the dana 35 might hold up for a while.

you might find that you will need a SYE with 4".......but i cant say for sure.

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