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Old 12-12-2005, 05:28 PM   #1
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6" sky lift or 1.5" with soa

I have a 95 and looking to go high. Want to clear 36" tires. Which is the better lift? A 6" monolinear skyjacker lift or an 1.5" black diamond lift on an spring over axle. I have the info for all parts needed for each choice. The price is no problem. I have heard the 6" lift will ride and drive horrible, but off road will be excellent, easier on the drivetrain. I heard the soa will ride and drive excellent, and will work well off road, but serious issues concerning the drivetrain.

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That much lift will cause more wear on the drivetrain no matter which way you go. I can't see how 6" lift springs will be better off road however? The arch and extra leaf packs needed to give it that much lift will make then stiff as hell. Off road wise the SOA option would probably be your best bet. It will also soften the ride on road for you. Just make sure you completely address your steering and add and anti-wrap device.

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Axlewrap from soa is a major concern, even with a well built traction bar.
The 6" lift isn't supposed to be quite as bad. Soa traction bars limit articulation and often under load there is enough movement that driveshaft binding occurs. I've read that sometimes a yoke and t-case output shaft blows apart. The 6" lift is much stiffer and probably not as good off road.
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What are you wanting to do with this Jeep? I mean, what are you planning on using it for?
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Regardless of planned use, if you want to go high, you're looking at spending some time with your driveshaft options and steering. There's a YJ in the parking lot by my work that has 2" lift shackles with a SOA and it looks like he picked up a steering stabilizer bar that is extremely long and heavy duty. I didn't pay much attention to his drivetrain though. I'll look at it later. He also seems to have done front and rear axel swaps that are huge with disk brakes.
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Old 12-13-2005, 08:50 AM   #6
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I have a 95 and looking to go high. Want to clear 36" tires. Which is the better lift? A 6" monolinear skyjacker lift or an 1.5" black diamond lift on an spring over axle. I have the info for all parts needed for each choice. The price is no problem. I have heard the 6" lift will ride and drive horrible, but off road will be excellent, easier on the drivetrain. I heard the soa will ride and drive excellent, and will work well off road, but serious issues concerning the drivetrain.
If you keep your stock engine, you can run RE SOA springs (they have a reverse wrapped main eye to help with spring wrap) and you shouldn't have any problems with axle/spring wrap with a SOA setup. I wouldn't worry about ride quality with the monoleaf that Skyjacker uses, but I don't know if I would want the entire spring pack duty to be with one leaf at each corner. I know with my SOA setup with stock springs, I went through a few main leaves (broke in half), but I could get home because of the other springs in the pack. Once I switched to the RE SOA springs, no more issues. You will have to do a slip-yoke eliminator kit in the rear, and you will have to beef up your front steering, and should do some sort of crossover setup, to fix your driveline issues. You will definitely need to upgrade your axles with anything larger than 31" tires also.

Either way you go, you have a lot of other work to do than just the lift. Just make sure that you do it the safe way!
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I am not a big fan of the mono spring setup, as to me I would be worried about a big bounce with big tires and the single spring bending. As for the SOA, as stated drive line and steering issues can be the main problem of that lift. Why not just run a 4" spring under and a 1" body lift, adjust your bumpstops for the 36's, add a SYE and rear driveshaft, get some TJ flares and go play.
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RE SOA springs 1.5" 600$ or so with heavy duty anti wrap perches will take care of most of your axle wrap problem. This is what has been suggested to me. I'm looking at the same type of lift but for 35's since I don't want to cut into the body.
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Axlewrap from soa is a major concern, even with a well built traction bar.
The 6" lift isn't supposed to be quite as bad. Soa traction bars limit articulation and often under load there is enough movement that driveshaft binding occurs. I've read that sometimes a yoke and t-case output shaft blows apart. The 6" lift is much stiffer and probably not as good off road.
Don't confuse and Anti-Wrap device with a traction bar. Yes a trac bar will limit suspension travel, but a well built ladder bar or two with good mounting points and a bushing or joint setup like a control arm will not limit your flex. Trac bars are not needed anyhow on your YJ's. The link I added below is a buddy of mines shop here in PHX. He builds awesome quality stuff. That added with the anti-wrap SOA springs/perches you will have a nice setup that will work very well off road.

http://www.hunteroffroad.com/HunterO...s/KIF_0113.JPG

Also with that much lift you are going to need to replace your output shaft with an SYE and new Dshaft. The new output shaft on any SYE kit will provide more than enough strength for you. After the drivetrain however with a SOA you definitely are going to need to address your steering. I know of guys that Z style drag links to clear the pass. spring, but to do it right a Cross over setup like was decribed below is the best way to go. Also like someone else mentioned what axles are you running now? Are you running the D35 still?
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I thought about the 4" lift, I already have a 2" body, wasn't sure if it would clear 36's.
Good points on the soa, I'll have to take a look into the RE springs.
I drive 15 mi. to work other than that I just off road.
Good point about a single leaf bending or breaking.
Are the ladder bars full prove way of preventing t-case damage from axlewrap?
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Old 12-14-2005, 03:26 PM   #13
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I thought about the 4" lift, I already have a 2" body, wasn't sure if it would clear 36's.
Good points on the soa, I'll have to take a look into the RE springs.
I drive 15 mi. to work other than that I just off road.
Good point about a single leaf bending or breaking.
Are the ladder bars full prove way of preventing t-case damage from axlewrap?
The thing with 4" lifts is you still have to do most of the drivetrain upgrades (SYE unless you want to drop the transfer case, Pittman arm, etc.) but your ride quality and suspension flex is usually far inferior to a SOA setup. I had mine for about 2.5-3 years and loved it. I drove it back and forth to work (20-45 miles each way) with no sway bars and no track bars and loved the ride. I still had it when my ex bought her 2002 TJ Sport, and mine rode better than hers with the SOA setup! It wasn't a sports car by any means, but if I drove it responsibly then I didn't have any issues. Just my 2 cents!
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I have talked to a mechanic who has had both set ups on his 95 wrangler. He has been off roading for 20 years, and he said that it is a thing of preference. He said the only real difference is the u-bolts being turned up or down. I'm sure that one is probably better than the other, but some like spring over and some like spring under.
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I think its crazy that 6" mono-leafs even exist! I'd be pi$$ed to be out in gods coutry and crack! there goes your way out of where ever the hell you were!To go over four inches, I think you should convert your leafs into coils.
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I think its crazy that 6" mono-leafs even exist! I'd be pi$$ed to be out in gods coutry and crack! there goes your way out of where ever the hell you were!To go over four inches, I think you should convert your leafs into coils.
I agree with the mono-leaf comment, but as far as the coils comment: I think that going spring-over requires much less capital and know-how up front. You don't have to fabricate an entire link suspension setup, or purchase an expensive kit. SOA is definitely the way to go over either the 4" kit, or the mono-leaf system IMHO.
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There always seems to be the thought that a SOA is a cheap and easy solution, but as a couple of guys have prevoiusly mentioned, there are a lot of loose ends to take care of. Steering, Drive Shafts, Axle Wrap, and of course axles. If you have to have someone else do this work it will add up to much more than the cost of a bolt on kit. On the other hand, if you want to go big, many of these issues still exist. They are just included in the kit and are bolt on.
I have been dreaming of a SOA for a long time, but I really don't know what I am going to do once I can redo my suspension. Rubicon Express and Full traction both have some really nice kits for SOA. Full Traction also has a nice steering kit that will be required with the SOA. Or the RE 4.5" Extreme Duty kit will also do the job quite nicely. The only problem with the RE4.5" is that you won't be able to clear 36"s with out a little body lift or some fender trimming. You also have some options with the fender trimming too. You can make yourself some flat fenders up front like I did, which opens things up quite a bit and You can get a set of TJ flares for the rear that will require you to cut away a bit of sheet metal and allow for more room for tires. There are also cut out flares that will give you more room.

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