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Old 05-07-2014, 06:16 PM   #1
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A better way to get help when posting on the technical forum...

I think there are a few things members here can do to help improve the speed and accuracy of which help is attained in diagnosing problems. Too often I see posts asking for help, but not providing any (or enough) information about their vehicle.

I mention this, because there is more than one setup for a Jeep, even from the factory. And once a previous owner starts changing things around, well, there is no way for the members of the forum to know what changes have been made to your Jeep unless the current status of parts/mods is made known to us. Jeeps are like LEGOs - the ways in which they can be built and modified are many.

We may not all be expert professional mechanics - I know I certainly am not one - but having the right info can even help the weekend/shadetree mechanic do his/her part in helping out a fellow Jeeper. Posting up "help! my jeep doesn't run!" without telling the forum what you have isn't really much to go on. Without the correct information, assumptions are made and time wasted on wrong advice because it doesn't apply to your vehicle setup. Even if you've filled out your Jeep profile, this information isn't readily presented on the post itself, so it will help you immensely to provide the specifics of your Jeep in your post. (Another option is to put this info in your signature so it is always there whenever you post).

The more info you provide up front, the less time is spent searching your profile for your Jeep's info (if it is even there at all) and less time trying to coax info about the Jeep out of you. It's about getting down to brass tacks and all - we want to help out a fellow Jeeper. It's why we reply to posts asking for help.


So things to include in your post that can help yourself out when posting for technical help:

  • The first big thing is to include the year of your vehicle. Right from the factory, the early YJ's (87-90) are slightly different in build than the later YJ's (91-95). So even if you have a stock vehicle, there are differences between years. However, if we assume you have a stock vehicle but yours actually has been modified, you aren't going to get the right answers.
  • Include the engine you have - specify if it is a 4 cylinder or 6 cylinder or 8 cylinder. Include the displacement if you know it (such as 2.5L, 4.0L, 4.2L). Jeeps sometimes have their engines swapped out for different engines, so the model year alone isn't necessarily going to provide the right info. A 1987 Wrangler may actually have a 4.0L fuel injected engine that was swapped from a 1995 Wrangler. Or a Jeep can have a V-8 engine swapped in. Or maybe a Chevy 4.3L V6 swapped in. You get the point.
  • Specify if the engine is fuel injected or carbureted. If fuel injected, be as specific as possible as to whether it's throttle body or multi-port fuel injection, as the system can vary depending on the engine. Sometimes the 4.2L engine is modified to use throttle body fuel injection or even multi-port fuel injection. Sometimes a newer multi port fuel injected 4 cylinder engine is swapped into an older Jeep that originally had throttle body injection. If carbureted, specify if you have the factory carb or aftermarket carb, and if aftermarket which carb you have.
  • Specify if manual or automatic transmission. If you know the model of transmission, specify it. Sometimes transmissions get swapped out. The older YJ transmissions (87-89) are often swapped out for the newer ones (90-95). Even the year of the transmission can matter, as some have internal slave cylinders, and the newer years have external slave cylinders.
These are some of the basis stats of the vehicle. Year, engine, fuel delivery system, transmission. There is quite a bit of info to be derived from these four points. Sensors, switches, wiring, diagnostic measures and maybe even your specific problem may have been encountered by another Jeeper before. Also include any other details that are pertinent to the part of the vehicle to which you are inquiring for help. If it's the transfer case, specify which one you have. It's okay if you don't know everything about your Jeep, everyone starts learning new stuff at some point. I think the forum is here to help with that too. It can be challenging taking over possession of a Jeep that someone else has modified, as you never know what you're going to find.

By providing the basic info on your Jeep in your original post, you can get a jump start on getting help to find a solution to your problem.




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Old 05-07-2014, 06:49 PM   #2
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AMEN

Someone should make this post a stickey.
Or better yet make it so you cant post in the tech area without having all this info in your sig.I try to help all I can but I am unable to give an accurate answer most of the time because of this.

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Old 05-07-2014, 08:20 PM   #3
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Here's a few more:
  • What happened when the issue appeared? (ie. sputtering, suddenly shut off, hard to start, heard a bang from xxxxx, etc).
  • What were you doing? (ie. cruising, accelerating, starting from a stop sign, pulling a stump, etc).
  • What have you already done to diagnose the issue and what was the outcome?
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Old 05-07-2014, 10:18 PM   #4
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Also, pictures are nice when possible and relevant.
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Old 05-07-2014, 11:37 PM   #5
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Outstanding post. Definitely have my vote for a sticky.
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Old 05-08-2014, 12:31 AM   #6
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Good points added there.

Pics can be of great use in helping a fellow Jeeper identify a part of the vehicle for you if you don't know what it is, or can help us identify a problem with a part. Photos can be uploaded directly from your computer and attached to your post, or you can create/use an account from a website like photobucket or imgur and link to an image you upload there.

Also a good point about providing details about what is wrong and what you were doing when it went wrong. This is just as important as providing the info on your Jeep. Do your best to describe the symptoms and what led up to them if you know.

And sharing what you have already done for diagnosis also helps speed things up, so people seeking to help you don't waste your time and theirs providing suggestions that you have already tried. Such delays can be avoided by sharing information.

As far as requiring your Jeep info in your signature, such a rule would certainly make the technical forum more efficient for those seeking help and those providing it. Even if such a rule doesn't get created, I think we can still get the word out to encourage members to provide more info about their vehicle and problem with it, be making it understood that doing so will increase the chance of getting a reply and some help. If this thread becomes a sticky in the technical forum, that would be one way of getting the word out. If you think this thread and the content within is worthy of a sticky, contact the Mods about it and see if they will sticky it in the technical forum.

If anyone else has more input on how to make things work better and more efficiently in the technical forum, please add your ideas.



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Great post.
For me trying to help someone, I have a hard time understanding their description of an engine "cranking". Please state that the engine will roll over but not start or it wont roll over at all.
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Old 05-08-2014, 07:29 AM   #8
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Old 05-08-2014, 08:06 AM   #9
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I like to make jokes in here, and will continue to do so. Get over it!

But sometimes if I can help, I will.

It is very useful to know what your mechanical abilities are before I try to make suggestion. If you don't have a CLUE what you are doing, own only a hammer and a set of pliers, and only have a Haynes manual from the previous owner, take it to a shop!

If you have a factory manual, and know the difference between a nut & a bolt, tell us what is wrong along with all the above mentioned specifics, and we might be able to help.

Now…do the right thing, go junk that old POS and quit whining!
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I know my jeep is fuel injected, but how would I know if it is multiport or throttle body? I made a little signature, I will make sure to keep adding to it as I change up my jeep.
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TB looks like a carb. MPI has 6 individual injectors with a fuel line & wiring harness running to each along the intake manifold.
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Another consideration is that when accessing the forum through the mobile app, signatures don't appear and there's only minimal information from the profile available (location, vehicle 1, vehicle 2, etc.). I use an iPad so information is limited unless it's included in the post.
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Thanks for bringing up that point CyndiB. I don't use the mobile app so it's something that I wasn't aware of. Makes it even more important to make sure that when posting for help the pertinent info is placed in the text of the post itself. That one member who could have an immediate solution might not be able to help because they can't see the signature from their mobile device. As the person asking for help, you want everyone who visits your post to see that pertinent info, and not have to try and fish it out of the replies.

As Beer Belly pointed out, a little mechanical ability matters when you come to the technical forum for help. I like to think that if you can change your oil, air filter and spark plugs you have a good foundation to work with, and the Haynes (as well as online resources) can help you build that initial foundation. I started out ages ago with only a Haynes, my fathers tools, and a 1990 Jeep Comanche - that my was introduction to basic maintenance and repair - changing the oil, doing basic tune-ups, replacing the alternator, and trying to fix a valve cover leak (but failing). There is a first time for everything, and confidence is needed to even begin turning your own wrench, and is certainly needed to progress to repairs you have never attempted before.

While the Haynes can help the novice get their hands greasy and get some experience under their belt, it will be of limited use for electrical problems though or for more advanced repairs. Certainly a Factory Service Manual is a much better investment than a Haynes or Chiltons, although the quantity of information the factory manual contains might intimidate the novice.

Keep the input and suggestions for improving the technical forum coming. Good stuff here.

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Worthy of a sticky! I sometimes wont even try to help with a question because there are so many things unknown from the question being ask. A point I would like to bring up which has be bugging me is...
Post the correct section!
There is a tech section, a build section, and general discussion.
If you have a question on why something wont run go to tech. If you want to know about how a new bumper will look or hold up things along those lines go to general. Then if you have a build thread post in build thread. Build thread as in a restoration, a motor swap, an axle swap, custom suspension (coil overs and cool stuff) Something that takes time, effort and has detail to the post, where your posting more information about how your doing things than asking questions.
Thats just my two cents and I belelive it would help the efficiency of the forum greatly
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I did not read this whole thread, so if this was already mentioned, its even more important...

Post build related stuff in the build section, asking for help for your soft top is not build section applicable..

Posting the same soft top question in the general section is also a bad way to get help, you will get more help here then in the Build section, but its a technicial question, so it goes in the, tech section...

Pretty pictures of your Jeep/Part or trip to the trail go in the pictures section, not in the Tech section....

I understand you just bought a Jeep, posting a pic in the build section and telling us all the plans you have for it should actually go in the Pictures section, even the general section if you have questions about mods you have seen, and want to duplicate...



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2xs - AMEN! Glade I'm not the only one to feel that way.
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Good thread
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Bumped for exposure.

Anyone else have anymore input on how to improve the effectiveness and efficiency of the forum, please add your two cents.
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Outstanding post. Definitely have my vote for a sticky.
Stuck it now is.
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Much thanks Beastmaster!!!

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Stuck it now is.
Should move it to the tech forum page instead of the discussion page so people needing tech advice can see it there
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Hi all, I have just now joined the forum and this is my first post. I have a 1990 YJ
Rubicon with no rust or signs of damage. I have been collecting bits and pieces to make it more comfortable and personalized for a couple of years.
It doesn't have an engine and I understand there are several options available. I should say I am not so much into speed as dependability. I would really appreciate some advice as to my options. I am not a mechanic but have visualized something similar to a 1954 Ford flathead I think because I do have some ancient experience with them.
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Crap!

Am I in the wrong place with my request for help & guidance?
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Am I in the wrong place with my request for help & guidance?
Welcome to the forum. Your post would get more visibility if you started your own thread rather than posting in an old one. I can't help you with your question because I don't know anything about engine swaps, but you should probably know that there aren't any YJ Rubicons, they weren't introduced until 2003 with the TJ model. So re-post your question in a new thread and tell the guys if your jeep had a 4 or 6 cylinder engine originally, because the transmission and axles are different and that will make a difference in what all you will have to change if you go to a different engine. Good luck!
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...........I have a 1990 YJ Rubicon .......
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