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Old 09-11-2010, 12:31 AM   #31
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I've found that this forum (when pictures are included in the post) can be the best information.

Post your pictures! Everybody Learns.

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Old 09-11-2010, 01:09 AM   #32
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Pictures? Of what? I thought this was chilton's vs haynes... I hate haynes manuals. I will go out of my way to get a Chilton's instead. Haynes don't describe complex tasks with any kind of detail, and each step in the instructions says "see this chapter to do this", which in turn points you to another place, and then another. It's maddening.

That's been my experience on the whole. Not sure about the wrangler specifically, but I do hate the Haynes manuals so.

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Old 09-19-2012, 09:42 PM   #33
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Does anyone know where I can get a factory service manual for a 2006 TJ?
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Old 09-20-2012, 08:42 AM   #34
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I found that a Haynes manual is good for a lot of basic fixes and is pretty spot on. As far a major things ie, rebuilding an engine or trans that is a job i farm out. The little things like replacing a radiator, thermostat starter I think it goes into good detail and the pictures help. But that me and I'm crazy.
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Old 02-21-2015, 01:38 PM   #35
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I know this is a belated reply... but for srgpixie or any others looking for the factory service manual, you can also find it direct at techauthority.com. That's the website Chrysler's site directs you to - it's still not cheap, but significantly less than you'll find it on eBay or the other resale sites. It may not come up in a general Google search, but after seeing one on another diy/manuals site priced at about $270 but with a footnote that shipping might be delayed because it was "direct from Chrysler's publishing division," I figured going to the source might be my best bet...

And thank you, Coyote, for the general textbook recommendation - I think I may get that one too, as I'm also relatively (though not completely) clueless and really want to start better understanding and being able to work on my own vehicle. Figure it's kinda good knowledge to have when out in the wilderness off-road if something should go wrong...!
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Old 02-22-2015, 10:07 AM   #36
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If you don't mind doing Ebay, you can find most any manual that you are looking for usually at a better price. But, shop around. Google the manual you are looking for and check prices including shipping and handling charges.
I'm new to Jeeps and I bought both, the Chilton's and Haynes. I reference both of them for a specific project.
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Old 02-22-2015, 10:56 AM   #37
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Old 02-22-2015, 11:34 AM   #39
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I have both and was glad to see this free factory service manual. Even the factory manual lacks in detail sometimes, found this out putting the power steering pump/brackets back together. Good luck with everything you do to your jeep, nothing beats getting in there and learning about it. You will be surprised how basic and simple these jeeps are compared to other vehicles. I just replaced my intake/exhaust manifold gasket and it wasn't that bad, feels good to hear it running good again.
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I think of the two manuals, the Chilton will give you more BTU's when you BURN THEM BOTH! Neither is worth the paper they are printed on. If you are serious about working on, or just getting an understanding of your vehicle, buy the FSM in book form (not the CD!) The factory manual covers one year (multiple vehicles & about 1000 pages) whereas the Haynes/Chiltons cover many years of the same vehicle in about 150 pages. There are many changes from year to year (especially with wiring) and to me, the use of the word "typical" like you see in the C/H manuals doesn't cut it.

Like they say..."Got a $10 head, buy a $10 helmet!" Spend the money & get the proper manual.
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Old 02-23-2015, 09:04 AM   #41
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Chilton and Haynes are both equally useless. They used to be really good sources of info, now-a-days they don't tell you much. I kind of expect that for newer vehicles that are almost impossible to work on without an OBDII scanner, but even for older cars, the new reprinted manual suck.

I bought one for my Wrangler and then found that the book has no rebuild section or even an exploded view of the transfer case. WTF?

For other vehicles I've found incorrect information. Sometimes no information listed for certain engines that were available from the factory.

Factory service manual is the way to go.
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Old 02-23-2015, 10:25 PM   #42
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I've used both over the years but was on a run of 3 in a row for the Haynes. Last one (for the YJ) is a a Chilton`s and it blows. I'll go back to Haynes from now on.

I've never needed the FSM.
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I have both and was glad to see this free factory service manual. Even the factory manual lacks in detail sometimes, found this out putting the power steering pump/brackets back together. Good luck with everything you do to your jeep, nothing beats getting in there and learning about it. You will be surprised how basic and simple these jeeps are compared to other vehicles. I just replaced my intake/exhaust manifold gasket and it wasn't that bad, feels good to hear it running good again.
I also have a Haynes and downloaded this factory service manual. It was a nice resource, but even in the fsm there were conflicting torque values for the same bolts in different parts of the manual. Frustrating
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Old 02-24-2015, 08:32 PM   #44
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Chilton and Haynes are both equally useless. They used to be really good sources of info, now-a-days they don't tell you much. I kind of expect that for newer vehicles that are almost impossible to work on without an OBDII scanner, but even for older cars, the new reprinted manual suck.

I bought one for my Wrangler and then found that the book has no rebuild section or even an exploded view of the transfer case. WTF?

For other vehicles I've found incorrect information. Sometimes no information listed for certain engines that were available from the factory.

Factory service manual is the way to go.
A Haynes manual is useless? So you're telling me that if some dumbass wanted to change their brake pads that a Haynes manual will be of no use to them. Even with all the pictures and step by step instructions.

Now hear this people: Don't buy a Haynes manual to do routine maintenance! Instead, spend 3x the $ for a FSM, get an OBDII scanner, and disassemble your transfer case!

C'mon Man.
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Gotta be a pretty big dumbass if yu need instructions to change brake pads!!
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Most of us would be up a creek using an obdii scanner on a yj...
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Old 02-25-2015, 07:20 AM   #47
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Gotta be a pretty big dumbass if yu need instructions to change brake pads!!
What he said.
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2004 Tiburon rear pads. Go get your dumass on.
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Old 02-25-2015, 03:15 PM   #49
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Gotta be a pretty big dumbass if yu need instructions to change brake pads!!
Ever change front pads on an early/mid 80's Saab 900? Or rear pads on a caliper with internal e-brake? Or pads on anything where the caliper needs to be removed....Hmmmmmm you may want torque specs for that one.
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Old 02-25-2015, 03:40 PM   #50
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Many thanks TX95YJ!
I have found the Chiltons to be helpful in most instances, and the Hayes in some instances.. but addiing the FSM to my library is gonna fill in the gaps (hopefully).
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Ever change front pads on an early/mid 80's Saab 900? Or rear pads on a caliper with internal e-brake? Or pads on anything where the caliper needs to be removed....Hmmmmmm you may want torque specs for that one.
hmm, last i knew this was called the wrangler forum, not the Saab, tiburon, or any other vehicle forum. not to mention I would not own any of those vehicles! :beer me:
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hmm, last i knew this was called the wrangler forum, not the Saab, tiburon, or any other vehicle forum. not to mention I would not own any of those vehicles! :beer me:
Okay. So when you replace the pads on the front of your wrangler, and you need to rotate the caliper out of the way, where do you find the PROPER torque for the caliper bolts? Do you just know? What do you do with the fluid when you push the piston back in, do you just leave it in the system or do you bleed it out? Where did you find out how to bleed the brakes, or do you just know?

Give the guy a break for asking questions. I have been a mechanic for 30+ years, and the people who do the most damage & who do the biggest hack jobs, are the always the ones who think they know it all, and put people down for asking questions.

Read & understand the manual (even the C/H ones if that is all you have)and do the job right. Everyone does a job for the first time. If they do it right by following instructions, all the better. What they don't need is someone telling them that they are an idiot because the need a manual to replace brake pads.

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hmm, last i knew this was called the wrangler forum, not the Saab, tiburon, or any other vehicle forum. not to mention I would not own any of those vehicles! :beer me:
Oh geez, I could smell this lame response coming from a million miles away.
I've owned probably 20 vehicles in my life and never had a car payment, so when I'm talking shop excuse me if my 20 years of experience working on a wide inventory cause me to generalize.

Nobody cares what you would own either. Just like I don't care that my sister in law would choose to own a Tiburon.
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Guys with whiskey and beer in their names, yu crack me up. I apologize if I offended your 20+ years experience. It really was ment as a bit of a joke. I know there are guys out there that need these books. Settle down n have some whiskey n a beer. Wow lol

Car payment? People actually do that? Maybe I should called them the dumbass's instead, haha just kidding. That's why we own yj's
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I was a mechanic for 25 yrs, A Millwright for 10 years before that. I still work with mechanics now in our maintenance operations. I like instructions, procedures, etc. Even though I was a wrench puller for over 25 yrs, I don't know everything about everything. Right now Jeeps are, is one of my weak points. I'll read Chiltons, Haynes or whatever else I can get my hands on just to check to see if I'm missing something. I'd never fault anyone no matter how much knowledge or experience they have for looking up something in a manual of a set of instructions.
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Guys with whiskey and beer in their names, yu crack me up. I apologize if I offended your 20+ years experience. It really was ment as a bit of a joke. I know there are guys out there that need these books. Settle down n have some whiskey n a beer. Wow lol

Car payment? People actually do that? Maybe I should called them the dumbass's instead, haha just kidding. That's why we own yj's
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OK lets not call newbies dumb asses lets just call them uninformed.
As far as manuals go Chiltons and Haynes manuals are pretty much useless to any one but the totally uninformed.
The next step up is the professional series manuals published by MOTORS and CHILTONS.
New these can be almost as pricey as the FSM but are fairly detailed.
The top of the line is the FACTORY SERVICE MANUAL it has everything you will ever need to know.
The best way is to search Ebay and used book stores and find used copies they can be had for almost the same money as those cheap , useless manuals they sell at the parts store.
Make friends with the old mechanic who is retiring at the dealership if he has any old manuals they can be had free or real cheap. I gave away a pickup truck load when I retired. (I kept the Jeep stuff )
Also keep checking Craigslist I see manuals there from time to time.
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Can we stop using "useless" please.
Nothing that provides step by step instructions is "useless".

You like your FSM, its' nice, we get it. That doesn't make anything else "useless".

It's like saying one's bicycle is "useless" because they have a car.

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