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Old 01-17-2012, 06:22 PM   #1
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From what trucks can I swap a D44?

Since the 8.8 swap, I want to swap the front axle eventually. There are quite a few ads in my area with 44s but come from Fords and one from a Scout. I know they don't have the right bolt pattern, but what is the easiest one to swap the hubs/knuckles in order to keep the 5x4.5 bolt pattern?

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Old 01-17-2012, 07:19 PM   #2
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HOPING THIS GETS AN ANSWER! I just got my 350/700r4 and NP271? transfer case and the front axle drive shaft comes out on the passenger side.

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i dont think any solid axle trucks have the same bolt pattern but waggy axles are the correct width
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If you want same bolt pattern and width I think your only option is a Rubi D44.
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Old 01-19-2012, 07:43 AM   #5
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But can't I swap wheel hubs or shafts? Or is that a waste of money?
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Old 01-19-2012, 07:45 AM   #6
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HOPING THIS GETS AN ANSWER! I just got my 350/700r4 and NP271? transfer case and the front axle drive shaft comes out on the passenger side.
Ummm... DONTT drive it until you get it fixed.
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Old 01-19-2012, 08:20 AM   #7
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The only d44 i know of with the 4.5 pattern is the '75-'79 Dodge half-tons.But they are junk and probably weaker than the d30 you have now.The knuckle and hubs will not fit other d44's either and not sure of the width?.

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YJPunisher213...a d44 from a 74 to 79 wagoneer has the passenger side drop and correct width for you but were back to the 6 lug thing..If you can find one with a matched set of 44's swap both and keep the 6 lugs but alot of waggys those years had a junk 2pc. axle shaft model 20 rear.
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Old 01-20-2012, 06:05 PM   #8
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I bought the motor/trans & transfer case as a complete unit ($250 and was shown it all worked before pulled. COULDNT PASS THAT DEAL UP!). It came out of an 89 suburban so I was going to track one of those down at the junkyard and get the axles.
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I bought the motor/trans & transfer case as a complete unit ($250 and was shown it all worked before pulled. COULDNT PASS THAT DEAL UP!). It came out of an 89 suburban so I was going to track one of those down at the junkyard and get the axles.
They are full width axles..67.5 inches wide...the waggy's are 59 inches,,,,YJ d30 is 58 inches.be prepared for alot of tire sticking out..almost 5 inches per side.



AXLE WIDTHS
------JEEP------
'41 to 45 Jeep MB: 48.25"
'46 up CJ-2A, CJ-3A : 48.25"
'49-65 Jeep Utility Wagon: 57"
'49 Willys Jeepster 2WD 57"
'52 up CJ-3B: 48.44"
'52 M-38A 49.19" (Military width)
'54-71 CJ-5 48.44" (so called early-
'55-75 CJ-6 48.44" narrow axle)
'47-65 Pickup (the classic) frnt-56" rr-63.5"
'63-69 J-200, J-2000 65.5"
'63-69 J-300, J-3800 65.75"
'70- 72, Gladiator J-2000 frnt-63.5" rr-63.81"
'70- 72, Gladiator J-4000 frnt-63.8" rr-64.38"
'73 J-2500 frnt-63.5" rr-63.8"
'73 all other J trucks frnt-63.9" rr-64.4"
'74-75 J-10 frnt-62.9" rr-63.8"
'76-87 J-10 frnt-63.3" rr-63.8"
'74-75 J-20 frnt-62.9" rr-64.4"
with disc brakes: frnt-63.0" rr-64.4"
'76-84 J-20 frnt-64.9" rr-65.9"
'63-72 Wagoneer 57"
'73 Wagoneer frnt-57.3" rr-57.5"
'74-75 Wagoneer frnt-59" rr-57.5"
'74-75 Cherokee (full size) frnt-58.8' rr-57.5"
'76-91 Wagoneer, '80+ Cher frnt-59.4" rr-57.8"
'76-79 Cherokee (full size) frnt-59.2" rr-57.8"
'76-78 Cherokee S frnt-59.5" rr-58.5"
'76-80 Cherokee Chief 2 dr. frnt-65.4" rr-62.3"
'81-83 Cherokee Chief 2 dr. frnt-65.3" rr-62.3"
'67-71 Jeepster C-101 50"
'72-73 Commando C-104 frnt-51.5" rr-50"
'72-83 CJ-5, frnt-51.5" rr-50" (so called-
'76-81CJ-7(some '81CJ8's) frnt-51.5" rr-50" narrow axle)
'82-86 CJ-7 frnt-55.8" rr-55" (so called- wide axle )
'81-85 Scrambler, CJ-8 frnt-55.8" rr-55"
'84-87, 93 up Cherokee XJ ?"
'88-92 Cherokee XJ 60 5/8"
'86-92 Comanche, 60 5/8"
'87 up Wrangler, YJ 58"
'93 up Grand Cherokee, ZJ 58"
TJ Rubicon 03 (F) Dana 44 61" (R) Dana 44 60"

------FORD-------
Bronco 77 (F) D44 58"
Bronco 77 (R) Ford 9" 57"
F250 78-79 (F) D60 69.25" (driver drop, king pin, leaf spring sprung: 31.5")
F350 78-79 (F) D60 69.25" (driver drop, king pin, leaf spring sprung: 31.5")
F350 '85-'91.5 (F) D60 69.25" (driver drop, king pin, leaf spring sprung: 36.5")
F350 '92-'99 (F) D60 69.25" (driver drop, balljoint, spring sprung: 36.5")
1/2 Ton '70 (F) D44 65" (high pinion)
1/2 Ton '70 (R) D60 65"



-----CUSTOM WIDTH D44s USING COMBOS OF STOCK SHAFTS------
Chevy Dana 44 width possibilities using stock length axle shafts:
(Axle widths are, WMS-WMS - wheel-mounting-surface to wheel-mounting-surface. Perch widths are center to center)

69" wide, 31.5" perches- stock Chevy 8-lug
68.75" wide, 31.5" perches- Chevy axle with Ford 5-lug outers
67.5" wide, 31.5" spring perch centers- stock Chevy 6-lug

65" wide, ~29" perches- long side cut down 2-3/8", use 70's Ford long side axle shaft
64.5" wide, 29" perches- long side cut down 3", use late 70's Wagoneer long side axle shaft
63.5" wide, 27.5" perches- long side cut down 4", use 80's Wagoneer long side axle shaft
62" wide, 29" perches- long side cut 4", short side 1.5", use 80's Wagoneer long side, Dodge short side.


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Old 01-21-2012, 12:16 AM   #10
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Hmmmmmmmm.......

So what would my easiest/ cheapest route be? Would you go woth something other than Dana 44's?
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Old 01-21-2012, 12:26 AM   #11
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Hmmmmmmmm.......

So what would my easiest/ cheapest route be? Would you go woth something other than Dana 44's?
Depends on what you want?Guys run full width axles all the time but will they pass your states inspection for tires sticking out ? [if you have one?]Your limited because of the passenger side drop was only 74-79 waggys...the earlier ones had the crappy closed knuckles.You could score a set from a later year waggy with a driver drop and swap your transfer case to a np231 with an adaper...you need to add up$$$ the options..You could build some wide tube fenders and run the full widths...Personally..If I was going to run full width axles I would use ford dana 60'$ and be done with it.
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Old 01-21-2012, 12:32 AM   #12
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have you looked into a high pinion dana 30 from a XJ (late 80's early 90's?)
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Old 01-21-2012, 12:39 AM   #13
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The YJ has a high pinion.You can swap out the long shaft with an xj shaft and have the same thing ....no?
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Old 01-21-2012, 12:47 AM   #14
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The YJ has a high pinion.You can swap out the long shaft with an xj shaft and have the same thing ....no?

i did not know YJ's have a HP30 aready, learn something new everyday here
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Old 01-21-2012, 12:58 AM   #15
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i did not know YJ's have a HP30 aready, learn something new everyday here
Your 05 tj does too
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Your 05 tj does too
i didnt know that either what years of jeeps came with a lp30?
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i didnt know that either what years of jeeps came with a lp30?
OOPs...I'm wrong..the tj does not have a HP....don't shoot
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OOPs...I'm wrong..the tj does not have a HP....don't shoot
YOU SON OF A...... lol no im jk. its all good
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That is BIZARRE....why would they not use the reverse cut dana 30 in the TJ? very interesting.............
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CJ Normal cut Dana 30 YJ Reverse cut Dana 30 A strength of the YJ Dana 30 is its use of reverse cut ring and pinion. The ring and pinion are stronger when they are reverse cut in front axles. The reverse cut axle also provides better ground clearance and driveline angles.
Unfortunately, the TJ does not use the reverse cut Dana 30. It uses a normal cut Dana 30 similar, but not compatible to, the CJ Dana 30."
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So are you saying on a TJ the front drive shaft rotates the other direction?
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They are full width axles..67.5 inches wide...the waggy's are 59 inches,,,,YJ d30 is 58 inches.be prepared for alot of tire sticking out..almost 5 inches per side.

'76-91 Wagoneer, '80+ Cher frnt-59.4" rr-57.8"
My '86 Grand Waggy axles measured 60-1/2" front and 58-1/2" rear. Those dimensions are from WMS to WMS.
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So are you saying on a TJ the front drive shaft rotates the other direction?
Also referred to as high and low pinion
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SCORE! Just got my Dana 44's! They came out of a 78(?) Jeep Scout!
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SCORE! Just got my Dana 44's! They came out of a 78(?) Jeep Scout!
Jeep Scout?? I thought Scouts were built by IH. My brother had a '72 Scout, and it was made by IH.
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Jeep Scout?? I thought Scouts were built by IH. My brother had a '72 Scout, and it was made by IH.
My neighbor from Brooklyn NYC has a Ford explorer "Jeep"
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SCORE! Just got my Dana 44's! They came out of a 78(?) Jeep Scout!
Only problem is the front is going to be on the wrong side for a YJ unless you do a motor swap
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Only problem is the front is going to be on the wrong side for a YJ unless you do a motor swap
Post 2,,,,,he has a NP271 with a passenger side drop
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In a scout axel you have to set the caster. They have 0 caster and you haft to cut the yoke that holds knuckle and turn it back. After you set them in a yj you'll have negative caster and it will drive like sh$& "

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In a scout axel you have to set the caster. They have 0 caster and you haft to cut the yoke that holds knuckle and turn it back. After you set them in a yj you'll have negative caster and it will drive like sh$& "

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I've done many"look for wagoneer pre 86 for pass drop, 86 up for drivers.
What degree does the waggy axle have for caster? and what is diff. in the scout suspension that warrants the 0 caster?...and....is that an orange c101 in that pic.?

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