My YJ has oil problems - Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > YJ Jeep Wrangler Forum > YJ General Discussion Forum

Join Wrangler Forum Today



Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 02-04-2017, 10:40 AM
Thread Starter
  #1
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 37
wheatbread is on a distinguished road
My YJ has oil problems

Hello and thanks in advance for any advice or comments.
So I bought this 91 heep with the 2.5l in it for $2k and 150k miles


Runs great and everything but when I checked the dipstick it had the ol' white milky stuff at the top and bottom. There was none under the filler cap. Well at the time I figured maybe just condensation so I changed the oil+filter and drove another maybe 100 miles checking dipstick periodically and continually seeing the white stuff. The dipstick also wont really show an obvious oil level, its kinda stained all over here and there.

Ok so maybe its a blown head gasket, so with the head removed the gasket looked fine and the head is flat. Cylinder 3 has some pitting but all contained in combustion area. Could this be the leak? No visible cracks in block, head, or gasket.



Drained the oil and first thing to come out was some antifreeze (maybe a tablespoon) then normal color oil. Problem was that there was only like 2-2.5 quarts of it. So I am led to believe its burning oil as well.

I guess the question is where is the oil and coolant mixing? Water pump?
I am trying to decide whether to bother having the head pressure tested and resurfaced, pay for new gaskets and stuff or just say bye to this motor.

I understand there is also likely damage to the crank bearings and things on account of running for some time with coolant in oil.

Thanks again and please let me know if the pics don't show up
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_20170117_095132970 (2).jpg
Views:	88
Size:	221.0 KB
ID:	3441514   Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_20170203_142335202 (1).jpg
Views:	105
Size:	219.4 KB
ID:	3441522  

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_20170203_142339727 (1).jpg
Views:	98
Size:	222.4 KB
ID:	3441530  
wheatbread is offline   Quote
Old 02-04-2017, 11:30 AM   #2
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: north of St.Franisville La.
Posts: 3,475
Nubby55 is on a distinguished road
Send a message via Yahoo to Nubby55
It looks to me like the head gasket was for sure leaking, if it was mine [and I did do this to mine and still running it], I would clean every thing real good and replace the head gasket and give it a run and see how it does.

__________________
The Government can not give anything to anybody that it does not first take from someone else !
Nubby55 is offline   Quote
Old 02-04-2017, 11:43 AM
Thread Starter
  #3
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 37
wheatbread is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nubby55 View Post
It looks to me like the head gasket was for sure leaking, if it was mine [and I did do this to mine and still running it], I would clean every thing real good and replace the head gasket and give it a run and see how it does.
Thanks for the reply!

So you would not recommend having work done to the head like pressure testing/ magnaflux?
wheatbread is offline   Quote
 
Old 02-04-2017, 12:10 PM   #4
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 15
Folk Hero is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by wheatbread View Post
Thanks for the reply!

So you would not recommend having work done to the head like pressure testing/ magnaflux?
If you have it off I would definitely get magnafluxed.

Folk hero
__________________
Box Stock
94 Wrangler
2.5
AX-5
Folk Hero is offline   Quote
Old 02-04-2017, 03:09 PM   #5
Jeeper
 
Luckymac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: SouthEast of Denver
Posts: 3,281
Luckymac is on a distinguished road
As another poster here states "I don't mind spending money, I hate wasting it".

I would follow Nybby55s advice. Clean the head and put a new gasket on it and run it.
If there is anything else wrong, all you have spent is a few bucks for a head gasket and some time.

Folk Hero suggests to magnaflux the head. For me, it would depend on what magnafluxing the head costs. If it was $50.00 or less I would probably get it done. If they clean the head as part of the job, I would definitely get it done for $50.00, or a bit more.

If you end up with a bad crank or a cracked block, you can still sell the magnafluxed head for what you have invested in it, or simply buy a re-man short block and keep the head.

I think $2K for that Jeep is a good deal, even though it requires some time and money to get it on the road.
They all require more TLC than a newer vehicle but how many man-toys can you get for that price. (Sorry ladies, I couldn't bear to say "person-toys").

Good Luck, L.M.
__________________
1987 YJ-4.2L-Standard Shift- Re-manufactured Carter Carb-2" body Lift-31X10.5X15 BFG KOs-190K Miles
HEI distributor with computer and all related relays and wiring removed.
No back seat.
12K Badlands winch with dual batteries.
Luckymac is offline   Quote
Old 02-04-2017, 06:23 PM
Thread Starter
  #6
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 37
wheatbread is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckymac View Post
As another poster here states "I don't mind spending money, I hate wasting it".

I would follow Nybby55s advice. Clean the head and put a new gasket on it and run it.
If there is anything else wrong, all you have spent is a few bucks for a head gasket and some time.

Folk Hero suggests to magnaflux the head. For me, it would depend on what magnafluxing the head costs. If it was $50.00 or less I would probably get it done. If they clean the head as part of the job, I would definitely get it done for $50.00, or a bit more.

If you end up with a bad crank or a cracked block, you can still sell the magnafluxed head for what you have invested in it, or simply buy a re-man short block and keep the head.

I think $2K for that Jeep is a good deal, even though it requires some time and money to get it on the road.
They all require more TLC than a newer vehicle but how many man-toys can you get for that price. (Sorry ladies, I couldn't bear to say "person-toys").

Good Luck, L.M.

Thanks for the reply!

I got a quote today for the headwork consisting of resurfacing if needed, pressure testing and magnaflux for $175. This being the first work I have had done on a head, is this a good deal?

Between new gaskets, head work, and a new exhaust manifold (this one was cracked, probably the cause of what I thought was a valve tap) I think I can have the jeep ready for less than $400

Thanks again guys
wheatbread is offline   Quote
Old 02-04-2017, 10:40 PM   #7
Jeeper
 
Luckymac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: SouthEast of Denver
Posts: 3,281
Luckymac is on a distinguished road
I don't know what magnafluxing should cost. If the quote is $175.00 to pressure test and magnaflux the head and resurface it if necessary, how much would the quote be if resurfacing isn't necessary?

Make sure you get the correct manifold, or you may have problems fitting your power steering pump. There are early and late 4cyl. manifolds.

I think you are on the right track.
As stated above, if you have any other engine problems, all you need will be a re-man short block.

Good Luck, L.M.
__________________
1987 YJ-4.2L-Standard Shift- Re-manufactured Carter Carb-2" body Lift-31X10.5X15 BFG KOs-190K Miles
HEI distributor with computer and all related relays and wiring removed.
No back seat.
12K Badlands winch with dual batteries.
Luckymac is offline   Quote
Old 02-05-2017, 11:26 AM   #8
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: north of St.Franisville La.
Posts: 3,475
Nubby55 is on a distinguished road
Send a message via Yahoo to Nubby55
For someone to magnaflux the head properly they need to take it apart and clean all of it real clean. At this point have them do a valve job and resurface, now you have a reman. head and know all is good, and as said then if you still have something wrong, go with a short block, and you have a reman. engine! Or just clean it up and install a new head gasket for $20.00 are less and if that's all that's wrong, you have a good running old engine! Your Call!
__________________
The Government can not give anything to anybody that it does not first take from someone else !
Nubby55 is offline   Quote
Old 02-05-2017, 01:33 PM
Thread Starter
  #9
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 37
wheatbread is on a distinguished road
Thanks guys, I have just ordered the gaskets and a torque wrench. I have heard its a good idea to get new head bolts when reinstalling. Any opinions on this? The original bolts look fine and I do plan to coat them before torquing.

I am also taking the head over to the shop tomorrow

More to come
wheatbread is offline   Quote
Old 02-05-2017, 01:37 PM
Thread Starter
  #10
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 37
wheatbread is on a distinguished road
Also, will this exhaust manifold work?

What is all that stuff on it?

https://www.1aauto.com/exhaust-manif...E9QaAvj78P8HAQ
wheatbread is offline   Quote
Old 02-05-2017, 02:04 PM   #11
IRQ
Jeeper
 
IRQ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 1,274
IRQ is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by wheatbread View Post
Also, will this exhaust manifold work?

What is all that stuff on it?

https://www.1aauto.com/exhaust-manif...E9QaAvj78P8HAQ
The manifold will work, just drill the rivets out from that heat shield.
__________________
1995 Rio Grande • 2.5L • AX-5 • 40,000 miles • Stock
IRQ is offline   Quote
Old 02-05-2017, 02:20 PM   #12
Jeeper
 
VMX12Rider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 101
VMX12Rider is on a distinguished road
A third vote for taking it to a machine shop. I would take the head in and get it cleaned, pressure checked and decked before you put it back together. I can't speak for shops in your location, but the engine I did last year, cost me like $50 a head (Was a V8).
VMX12Rider is offline   Quote
Old 02-05-2017, 02:27 PM
Thread Starter
  #13
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 37
wheatbread is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by VMX12Rider View Post
A third vote for taking it to a machine shop. I would take the head in and get it cleaned, pressure checked and decked before you put it back together. I can't speak for shops in your location, but the engine I did last year, cost me like $50 a head (Was a V8).

Wow that's a whole lot less than my quote, where are you located?

I will ask other shops in my area in that case...

Thanks again guys
wheatbread is offline   Quote
Old 02-05-2017, 05:20 PM   #14
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: north of St.Franisville La.
Posts: 3,475
Nubby55 is on a distinguished road
Send a message via Yahoo to Nubby55
The price you said earlier sounds like a complete valve job to me, and not a bad price, but if that is just to check it, then that sounds high.
__________________
The Government can not give anything to anybody that it does not first take from someone else !
Nubby55 is offline   Quote
Old 02-05-2017, 05:59 PM   #15
Jeeper
 
MudMagnetYJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,766
MudMagnetYJ is on a distinguished road
Do it all at once. But test first. Leak down test will show exactly where it's leaking. If your head gasket is blown, the head is probably warped. There are specifications for warpage that I don't have off the top of my head.

When it's in the machine shop, have them check warpage and do valve work while it's out. If it's out of spec, have them resurface it.

Good time to do a timing chain while the machine shop has the head. Hydraulic lifters as well. Make sure you replace the bolts.

Look on Rock Auto for a head gasket set. It'll include lots of other gaskets, such as valve cover and thermostat. Replace those components, like thermostat, if the gasket is included.

Warpage specs are measured in thousandths of an inch, and the number in my mind for the Jeep engines is 12 thousandths for some reason. Not visible to naked eye, you need a machined flat precision ruler with a feeler gauge.
__________________
Build thread for OJ, my YJ. 1993 Wrangler S 2.5L/AX-5/NP231, Spartan Locked Dana 30/open Dana 35 @ 4.10, 2.5" OME HD springs and Rancho RS5000 shocks, Barricade 9500 winch, custom front and rear bumpers, 136 amp alternator, 30" General Grabber AT2 tires.
1990 Yamaha TW200.

Jeep manuals? YJs, TJs, XJs, WJs, ZJs, parts, electrical, powertrain.
MudMagnetYJ is offline   Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 12:23 AM   #16
Jeeper
 
VMX12Rider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 101
VMX12Rider is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by wheatbread View Post
Wow that's a whole lot less than my quote, where are you located?

I will ask other shops in my area in that case...

Thanks again guys
I'm in Topeka, Kansas. Set of Magnum heads. One head was like $50 in change, the second head was actually $70 something because he had to extract a busted intake bolt.
VMX12Rider is offline   Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 10:09 AM   #17
Jeeper
 
MudMagnetYJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,766
MudMagnetYJ is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by wheatbread View Post
I have heard its a good idea to get new head bolts when reinstalling. Any opinions on this? The original bolts look fine and I do plan to coat them before torquing.
Yes, replace the bolts. They stretch. Plus you can use the old bolts for the alignment. Shave off the head with a cutoff wheel and cut a slit for a flathead in it.
__________________
Build thread for OJ, my YJ. 1993 Wrangler S 2.5L/AX-5/NP231, Spartan Locked Dana 30/open Dana 35 @ 4.10, 2.5" OME HD springs and Rancho RS5000 shocks, Barricade 9500 winch, custom front and rear bumpers, 136 amp alternator, 30" General Grabber AT2 tires.
1990 Yamaha TW200.

Jeep manuals? YJs, TJs, XJs, WJs, ZJs, parts, electrical, powertrain.
MudMagnetYJ is offline   Quote
Old 02-06-2017, 12:25 PM
Thread Starter
  #18
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 37
wheatbread is on a distinguished road
Thanks for all the advice guys, this is a great forum

I just dropped the head off at the machine shop, should be putting it back together later this week
wheatbread is offline   Quote
Old 02-08-2017, 08:00 AM
Thread Starter
  #19
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 37
wheatbread is on a distinguished road
So the machine shop called today... cracked head in between cylinders 2 and 3.

I suppose this was causing the coolant and the oil to mix.

Is this a reasonable option?

ProMaxx Performance Products CHR467NB ProMaxx Performance Cylinder without Valvetrain for 84-02 Jeep® CJ-7, Wrangler YJ, TJ & Cherokee XJ with 2.5L | Quadratec


Thanks again guys
wheatbread is offline   Quote
Old 02-08-2017, 11:25 AM
Thread Starter
  #20
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 37
wheatbread is on a distinguished road
Ok so here are some pics of the problem two different cracks, should I just go ahead and order the new cylinder head or is this indicative of further problems?

Is it possible this caused the oil and coolant to mix?
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_20170208_120301863.jpg
Views:	65
Size:	207.9 KB
ID:	3447290   Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_20170208_120313009.jpg
Views:	62
Size:	213.6 KB
ID:	3447298  

wheatbread is offline   Quote
Old 02-08-2017, 12:01 PM   #21
Jeeper
 
MudMagnetYJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,766
MudMagnetYJ is on a distinguished road
Yes, order a new head. Ask the machine shop if your current valvetrain is in good condition. If so, order the new head and send it to the shop to assemble. If not, they should put new valves and springs (obviously you'll need to buy more parts). If you give them the job for swapping the valvetrain, then they may waive any "inspection" fees for handling the head initially. That's how it works at the shop I'm at. Customers pay a fee for brake inspections, but we waive the fee if we get the job.
__________________
Build thread for OJ, my YJ. 1993 Wrangler S 2.5L/AX-5/NP231, Spartan Locked Dana 30/open Dana 35 @ 4.10, 2.5" OME HD springs and Rancho RS5000 shocks, Barricade 9500 winch, custom front and rear bumpers, 136 amp alternator, 30" General Grabber AT2 tires.
1990 Yamaha TW200.

Jeep manuals? YJs, TJs, XJs, WJs, ZJs, parts, electrical, powertrain.
MudMagnetYJ is offline   Quote
Old 02-10-2017, 04:57 PM
Thread Starter
  #22
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 37
wheatbread is on a distinguished road
Small update, new gaskets are here I ordered the fel pro upper set so it came with lots of gaskets. Also got new oil, filter, spark plugs, and some gasket maker for head bolt #7 (coolant passage thing) and the valve cover.

I ordered the new head from quadratec for $240 shipped they didn't have the 2.5l with valves, so I will be using the old valves. I got some lapping compound to seat the valves in the new head. The new head should be here Wednesday.

Since it is a whole new empty head, is there anything I need to do to it before/during the install other than basics like valves, rockers, plugs, and thermostat?

Any advice on lapping valves with the 2.5l or is it pretty straightforward?

Thanks again guys
wheatbread is offline   Quote
Old 02-10-2017, 05:05 PM   #23
Jeeper
 
MudMagnetYJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,766
MudMagnetYJ is on a distinguished road
Never done valves. But while the cooling system is open, stick the garden hose in there. You'd be surprised at the crud that comes out. Then put a blow nozzle in there. Again, you'll be even more surprised.

Do lifters while it's out. Autozone has a good tool for about $15. Magnetic pickup tool is what most suggest but I had a couple stuck lifters.
__________________
Build thread for OJ, my YJ. 1993 Wrangler S 2.5L/AX-5/NP231, Spartan Locked Dana 30/open Dana 35 @ 4.10, 2.5" OME HD springs and Rancho RS5000 shocks, Barricade 9500 winch, custom front and rear bumpers, 136 amp alternator, 30" General Grabber AT2 tires.
1990 Yamaha TW200.

Jeep manuals? YJs, TJs, XJs, WJs, ZJs, parts, electrical, powertrain.
MudMagnetYJ is offline   Quote
Old 02-10-2017, 05:24 PM
Thread Starter
  #24
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 37
wheatbread is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by MudMagnetYJ View Post
Never done valves. But while the cooling system is open, stick the garden hose in there. You'd be surprised at the crud that comes out. Then put a blow nozzle in there. Again, you'll be even more surprised.

Do lifters while it's out. Autozone has a good tool for about $15. Magnetic pickup tool is what most suggest but I had a couple stuck lifters.

Thanks mudmagnet, when you say do the lifters, do you mean replace?

That's at least $50 if I do replace them and my intent is not to rebuild the motor here, just get it running safely and somewhat reliably. I mean no disrespect, but I know by experience I can go crazy replacing things, once I replace something, everythings gotta be new.

Thanks again!
wheatbread is offline   Quote
Old 02-10-2017, 06:15 PM   #25
Jeeper
 
Luckymac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: SouthEast of Denver
Posts: 3,281
Luckymac is on a distinguished road
From what I understand, you can change the lifters on a 4cyl. without pulling the head.

The factory service manual details how to clean lifters. I would clean them while awaiting the head, and then if I had a noisy lifter once the Jeep is running, I would change only the noisy one.

Good Luck, L.M.
__________________
1987 YJ-4.2L-Standard Shift- Re-manufactured Carter Carb-2" body Lift-31X10.5X15 BFG KOs-190K Miles
HEI distributor with computer and all related relays and wiring removed.
No back seat.
12K Badlands winch with dual batteries.
Luckymac is offline   Quote
Old 02-10-2017, 08:17 PM   #26
Jeeper
 
MudMagnetYJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,766
MudMagnetYJ is on a distinguished road
Got mine at Advance for $20. Use one of those ridiculous 30% off coupons. Tool can be used and returned. They'll rent them out. Might as well do them all because it's easy. Yes, head can be left on, but it's easier with it off.
__________________
Build thread for OJ, my YJ. 1993 Wrangler S 2.5L/AX-5/NP231, Spartan Locked Dana 30/open Dana 35 @ 4.10, 2.5" OME HD springs and Rancho RS5000 shocks, Barricade 9500 winch, custom front and rear bumpers, 136 amp alternator, 30" General Grabber AT2 tires.
1990 Yamaha TW200.

Jeep manuals? YJs, TJs, XJs, WJs, ZJs, parts, electrical, powertrain.
MudMagnetYJ is offline   Quote
Old 02-10-2017, 09:41 PM   #27
Supporting Member

5-Year WF Supporting Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: SAVANNAH
Posts: 703
Airslot is on a distinguished road
I would not rely on lapping alone. Have the machine shop face the valves or, better yet, have them assemble and leak test the head. The peace of mind would be worth what should be a minimal cost.
__________________
91 YJ 4.0-HO/5sp
Airslot is offline   Quote
Old 02-11-2017, 10:05 AM
Thread Starter
  #28
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 37
wheatbread is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Airslot View Post
I would not rely on lapping alone. Have the machine shop face the valves or, better yet, have them assemble and leak test the head. The peace of mind would be worth what should be a minimal cost.
Just called the machine shop, they were going to charge me $100 for the whole grinding/lapping whatever, I think I will just reassemble on my own.

Also took mudmagnet's advice and pulled the lifters. Any tips on cleaning these?

Thanks
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_20170211_110002297.jpg
Views:	28
Size:	201.6 KB
ID:	3452242  
wheatbread is offline   Quote
Old 02-11-2017, 01:03 PM   #29
Jeeper
 
Texan669's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Hockley, Texas
Posts: 116
Texan669 is on a distinguished road
Been following the thread for awhile and thought I would add some information about valve jobs. I use to build race engines at a Michine shop and many year of reconditioning aircraft cylinders.

1. First of all this is a three step process. First your valve seat have to be ground to the correct angle for that head. Second you ground each valve to its correct angle. ( Very common that the intake and exhaust valves have different seat angles.). After doing this you then take lapping compound and lap the valves into each seat. You can tell this is done correctly by looking for a gray ring all the way around the valve and seat. If you don't see this the valve will leak.
2. I don't think you can take a new head that has not had is seats ground to match the valves and make it work correctly. You are sitting yourself up for failure. $100.00 to do it correctly by a machine shop is a lot cheaper that doing it over and over again.

One other note it is VERY COMMON on engines that have head work start having ring blow by. Your valves are working and sealing properly but a warn set of rings will start failing.

GL
Texan669 is offline   Quote
Old 02-11-2017, 01:27 PM   #30
Jeeper
 
Luckymac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: SouthEast of Denver
Posts: 3,281
Luckymac is on a distinguished road
[QUOTE=Texan669;28976314

One other note it is VERY COMMON on engines that have head work start having ring blow by. Your valves are working and sealing properly but a warn set of rings will start failing.

GL[/QUOTE]

If you plan on keeping the Jeep for a long time, you might look into what a short block costs.
It sounds like you are capable of disassembling the rest of your engine and having it bored, then installing oversized rings or piston/ring assemblies.
Mike or plastigauge the crank and with new bearings and seals, and you should be good to go for another 150K miles.
For a little over $3K total, you'll have a Jeep with a new motor.

Good Luck, L.M.

__________________
1987 YJ-4.2L-Standard Shift- Re-manufactured Carter Carb-2" body Lift-31X10.5X15 BFG KOs-190K Miles
HEI distributor with computer and all related relays and wiring removed.
No back seat.
12K Badlands winch with dual batteries.
Luckymac is offline   Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:52 PM.


User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.1.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC
« Back

Enter your email address:

Delivered by FeedBurner