No more Track Bars - Jeep Wrangler Forum
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > YJ Jeep Wrangler Forum > YJ General Discussion Forum

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 04-13-2014, 09:05 PM   #1
Newb
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Hampton, Va
Posts: 6
No more Track Bars

Today I finally removed my front and rear track bars off my 94 YJ. I took the ole girl out for a spin and I must say she drives amazing. I went from feeling every bump in the road to only feeling the bigger ones. I'm never putting those hunks of junk back on. Matter of fact they are going in the trash to be picked up in the a.m..

Bryanh is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-13-2014, 09:40 PM   #2
Jeeper
 
Freedomguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 75
How does that effect the safety on-pavement/highway?

Freedomguy is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-13-2014, 09:48 PM   #3
Jeeper
 
YJ fanatic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: White Cloud, Michigan
Posts: 913
Images: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedomguy View Post
How does that effect the safety on-pavement/highway?
Removing the rear track bar has no adverse effects at all, it just rides better. Removing the front will make it ride better, too, but it can loosen up the steering a little.
__________________
92 YJ, 4.0, 5" BDS springs, 1" booms, 1" BL, 35x12.50x15 MTZ's, Ford 8.8 with LSD, 4.10 gears. It's never done though.
YJ fanatic is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-13-2014, 10:23 PM   #4
Jeeper
 
Freedomguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 75
This may sound silly, but where are they (rear) and are they bolt offs?
Freedomguy is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-13-2014, 10:38 PM   #5
Jeeper
 
YJ fanatic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: White Cloud, Michigan
Posts: 913
Images: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedomguy View Post
This may sound silly, but where are they (rear) and are they bolt offs?
In the rear, I think it runs from the left side of the axle, and attaches to the right side of the frame. It's the only bar going between the axle and frame. It should unbolt, but it depends on how rusty the bolts are. It's possible that you might need to cut the bolts or the bar.
__________________
92 YJ, 4.0, 5" BDS springs, 1" booms, 1" BL, 35x12.50x15 MTZ's, Ford 8.8 with LSD, 4.10 gears. It's never done though.
YJ fanatic is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-13-2014, 11:53 PM   #6
Jeeper
 
Freedomguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 75
Think I found it. Thanks.
Freedomguy is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-14-2014, 07:46 AM   #7
Jeeper
 
0III0forlife's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ridgway, Pa.
Posts: 2,934
Don't throw it away! They make a really nice hunk of iron to have around in case someone needs an attitude adjustment.
__________________
'87 YJ, 4.2L built and bored, 8.5" of lift, 8.8 rear, AX15/NP 231, Tom Woods drive shafts, Flat fenders, 12,000LB winch, Custom bumpers, Rattle can paint job. Never completed...
0III0forlife is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-14-2014, 10:48 AM   #8
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Richmond, Virginia
Posts: 34
Mine are removed and my steering is a bit squirrely. It took some adjustment to get used to not having them but once I did the loose steering wasn't an issue.
YJrosso is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-14-2014, 11:37 AM   #9
Jeeper
 
rjwestphal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 31
i was going to take mine off. started on the passenger side since it looked more difficult. nut came off easy few taps and the bolt came out. went to the drivers side, nut came off easy bolt siezed in the bushing. luckily they are directly behind the shocks so i couldn't try pounding it out. plus the po put the bottom shock bolt on with the nut on the wheel side of the mount, so that only an open end wrench would fit on, so i could swing the shock out of the way. since the track bar bolt was froze in there, there was no way i was going to strip the shock nut by trying to get it off with an open end. grab the saws all and sure enough the blade was like a butter knife and no spares. so i bolted the passenger side back up and will deal with it when i have more patience.
rjwestphal is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-14-2014, 12:07 PM   #10
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 88
I just removed the rear on mine, rides better now. I just cut it off since the bolts look like they're rusted in to stay. I'll get those when I do my spring swap. When my track bar dropped, so did the exhaust! it was supporting it, no wonder it was so loud back there when I hit a bump.
langwilliams is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-14-2014, 12:24 PM   #11
Jeeper
 
markgrozYJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Niagara Falls/Buffalo
Posts: 268
Quote:
Originally Posted by langwilliams View Post
I just removed the rear on mine, rides better now. I just cut it off since the bolts look like they're rusted in to stay. I'll get those when I do my spring swap. When my track bar dropped, so did the exhaust! it was supporting it, no wonder it was so loud back there when I hit a bump.
Currently having the exact same problems lol. My track bar mount broke so it's always clanking and my exhaust is also banging on something
__________________
Stock, and saving!

95 YJ Sahara 4.0, 73,000 original miles, stock leafs, 31x10.5" Dunlop Mud Radial tires, 1.25" Spidertrax wheel spacers
markgrozYJ is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-14-2014, 08:08 PM   #12
Jeeper
 
mijeeper80's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 258
Ok so I have been doing a lot of reading on the internet about this subject and have decided that I do want to remove the track bars on front and back. My question to you guys that I can't get a great answer on is by removing the track bars you gain a better ride but how much articulation do you gain without getting sway bar disconnects? Not much rock crawling here in mi but I would like to get all the articulation I can get to keep all 4 on the ground while I am going over stuff.
mijeeper80 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-14-2014, 09:09 PM   #13
Newb
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Hampton, Va
Posts: 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedomguy View Post
How does that effect the safety on-pavement/highway?
Like YJ fanatic said, if you have any problems with your suspension you will quickly find out. Having the track bars installed can hide suspension problems. But so far with no issues to speak of. I recommend taking them off and see how it drives, if you don't like it then reinstall them.
Bryanh is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-14-2014, 09:40 PM   #14
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 125
Anyone post these so I can remove Em lol
88redyj is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-14-2014, 09:46 PM   #15
Newb
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Woodville,Fl
Posts: 6
Does anyone that has removed their track bars and/or swaybars do any towing ? How does it handle the load without the bar out back to stop sway ? Which bars show the most gain in ride quality when removed ?
Sorry for the 20 questions but I ask because I have a trailer on my yj at least once a week . I was thinkin about losing both bars up front but keepin the one out back to help out when the pontoon is on the back. Any opinions ? Thanks in advance James
__________________
"Never advance cheerfully on your late opponent without reloading. You may have used your last round, and he may not be properly dead and still spiteful." Maj. Hugh Pollard
hambone33 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-15-2014, 12:49 AM   #16
Jeeper
 
Freedomguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 75
What's the intended OEM purpose of the rear track bar anyway? Why would they have out it on there if it hinders the ride quality?
Freedomguy is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-15-2014, 12:51 AM   #17
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 125
Pics?
88redyj is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-15-2014, 08:53 AM   #18
Jeeper
 
rjwestphal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 31
Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedomguy View Post
What's the intended OEM purpose of the rear track bar anyway? Why would they have out it on there if it hinders the ride quality?
I think Jeep was just satisfying the government and their requirements by using track bars. I really have no idea since I wasn't in the room when they designed the yj
rjwestphal is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-15-2014, 11:14 AM   #19
Jeeper
 
mijeeper80's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 258
Like rj said I was not in the room either but from what I have read is that the general public was concerned about the roll over risks of the cj's prior to the yj's so to "ease" the concern they put these on. Upon further reading they are known to be worthless on yj's due to the leaf spring design. Tj's and jk's have coil springs there for they are a must have to keep your axle centered under the vehicle.
mijeeper80 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-15-2014, 11:50 AM   #20
Jeeper
 
TigWizard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: S.W. Ohio
Posts: 427
I took mine off in the fall. The ride is softer; you will still every bump but they won't jar your teeth loose. I've noticed no difference in handling, positive or negative. I drive nice and easy so YMMV. If you can get them out intact, I'd say do and drive it for a while. If you don't like the way it feels, you can always put them back in.
__________________
91 2.5 5 spd
Stock, for now
216,000 miles
A work in progress
TigWizard is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-15-2014, 02:37 PM   #21
Jeeper
 
Klug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Ohio
Posts: 275
The Zone brand lift kit instructions suggest that you remove the rear track bar.
Klug is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-16-2014, 12:07 AM   #22
Jeeper
 
Freedomguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 75
Sounds like I have a new weekend project. Hope I can get this baby off without too much effort.
Freedomguy is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-16-2014, 12:44 AM   #23
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Monroe, Or
Posts: 638
Quote:
Originally Posted by hambone33 View Post
Does anyone that has removed their track bars and/or swaybars do any towing ? How does it handle the load without the bar out back to stop sway ? Which bars show the most gain in ride quality when removed ?
Sorry for the 20 questions but I ask because I have a trailer on my yj at least once a week . I was thinkin about losing both bars up front but keepin the one out back to help out when the pontoon is on the back. Any opinions ? Thanks in advance James

Dunno what kind of trailer you're pulling but I have:


That I run to the dump once a month loaded with trash and don't have any problems. I've even hauled my camping gear (HUGE 10 man tent, 8' inflatable pontoon boat, all the camping goodies + wood) in it with no problems.

Both my track bars removed.
__________________
1993 YJ 4.0, 5 Speed, 3.55 (for now)
2000 Durango 4.7, 5 Speed Auto, 3.92
TrailBlazing Gear Post
Project Ole Grey
Locruid is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-16-2014, 07:48 PM   #24
Newb
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Woodville,Fl
Posts: 6
I usually have my 5×10 utility trailer but I also tow our 20' pontoon some as well .
__________________
"Never advance cheerfully on your late opponent without reloading. You may have used your last round, and he may not be properly dead and still spiteful." Maj. Hugh Pollard
hambone33 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-16-2014, 09:02 PM   #25
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Monroe, Or
Posts: 638
Theres a picture of a CJ towing a Camping Trailer on Yahoo Pictures.

I don't imagine you'd have much trouble. YJ have basically the same Suspension as a CJ cept we have trac-bars and sway bars. And our leaf springs are wee bit tougher. CJ's can tow if needed.

If all else fails, just take one off (rear) and drive around the block with the pontoon boat then if you're satisfied take the other off and do the same thing.
__________________
1993 YJ 4.0, 5 Speed, 3.55 (for now)
2000 Durango 4.7, 5 Speed Auto, 3.92
TrailBlazing Gear Post
Project Ole Grey
Locruid is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-17-2014, 12:32 AM   #26
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Slammin Salmon in Alaska
Posts: 1,946
Mine are off and I pulled a 5x10 enclosed trailer heavily load 2600 miles on my move. No problems at all other than sucky gas milage. Mine is a LJ Rubi
Ted_D is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-17-2014, 01:13 AM   #27
Jeeper
 
pelayoyj21's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 71
So what's basically the main purpose of these bars? And has anyone ever encountered any issues by removing these besides a loose steering wheel? Thinking if removing mine
pelayoyj21 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-17-2014, 01:57 AM   #28
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Monroe, Or
Posts: 638
Although there is no "verified" reason, speculation has it that it was done to satisfy "safety nuts" back in the mid 80's. On a coil suspension they are most definitely needed as there is really nothing to hold the axle from going side to side.

On a leaf spring however, the leaf springs themselves won't allow it for the most part.

I noticed upon moving my front track bar that I have a TEENY WEENY bit of "roll" in the corners but that could easily be attributed to something wearing out. The 45 mph corner I took at 60 I still take at 60 lol.

YJ have the same suspension as a CJ except we have "tougher" leaf springs and track
bars. In other words, CJ's had no track bars for YEARS and a LITTLE bit smaller leaf springs and never had any issues.

The ride though is definitely noticeably smoother.

Heres a good link to read:
http://www.wranglerboard.com/f9/why-...ung-axles-237/
__________________
1993 YJ 4.0, 5 Speed, 3.55 (for now)
2000 Durango 4.7, 5 Speed Auto, 3.92
TrailBlazing Gear Post
Project Ole Grey
Locruid is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-18-2014, 02:07 AM   #29
Jeeper
 
pelayoyj21's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 71
Do you guys know that if I remove my track bars it'll wear out my tires oddly or no?
pelayoyj21 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-18-2014, 08:26 AM   #30
Zombie Hunter

WF Supporting Member
 
raycer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Where NY/NJ/PA meet
Posts: 709
Images: 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by pelayoyj21 View Post
Do you guys know that if I remove my track bars it'll wear out my tires oddly or no?
If anything, I'd say they'd wear move even since there isn't that circular pull of the track bar while articulating.

I currently have no rear bar after my lift and notice no problems with ride, control, or tires. I plan on removing the front once I get around to installing new ujoints and a new steering stabilizer.

__________________
Ray
1993 YJ "ZORV-1122"
4.0 AX15 4in Rough Country Lift 1.25in Perf. Acc. Shackles, few other things here and there.
raycer is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Wrangler Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



logo carid shop wrangler parts carid fender flares custom wheels store avs deflectors at carid

» Network Links
»Jeep Parts
» Featured Product

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:04 AM.



Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC