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Old 07-16-2013, 01:09 PM   #1
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Probably buying tonight unless you say otherwise?

Well this last one I posted about sold. Going to look at this tonight and it sounds great. Curious what your thoughts were. I hear a lot about YJs mostly negative, but I have always liked them. I have been out of the game for awhile.

Please give me your thoughts. Thanks

92 YJ, 5 speed, in line 6, 4x4, 135k original miles. 100% rust free (according to him??). Runs and drives good. 6 inch lift kit (higher than I wanted) with 33" tires, extra tire on back. Tread on tires 40%. New oil seals. Rhino-lined inside. New sound bar. New Bucket seats in front. Hard top with new sliding glass windows. New door panels. New exhaust system. All gauges work.

Claims needs new valve cover gasket (surely I can do that).
Says he hasnt ragged it out and that everything is tight (we shall see)





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Old 07-16-2013, 01:16 PM   #2
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Looks good. Make sure to check that frame for rust. The top looks in great condition. What's the asking price?

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Old 07-16-2013, 01:42 PM   #3
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looks good. Make sure to check that frame for rust. The top looks in great condition. What's the asking price?
$5300
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Old 07-16-2013, 01:48 PM   #4
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Does not sound too bad. If everything checks out, I'd try to work him down a couple hundred. Cash talks. After the test drive, point out a few things that are wrong with it, then make him a cash offer. If it were me, id start at $4500. Worst he can do is make a counter offer, or chase you off with a shotgun lol. Just kidding. I think $4500 is a fair offer for a 21 year old Jeep.
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What are some specific things (problems) to look for in this model with this mileage?
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Old 07-16-2013, 01:59 PM   #6
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What are some specific things (problems) to look for in this model with this mileage?
I would look at the frame for rusting/rot. Make sure the electrical is in order, it's got the 6 cyl so you should be fine with the 33s power wise. Check the floorboards for rot and rust as well. When you drive it, try to take it somewhere you can get up to 60-70 MPH, preferably the highway so you can see if there are any vibrations.

If it runs and drives good, sounds good under the hood with no ticking or knocking I'd say you're fine. If you buy it, the first thing id do would be change all fluids and tune up the engine. You never know when the last time it really was done.

The 6cyl can run forever with proper maintenance. I've seen them with 300,000k.
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I would crawl all over it(including under it)and look for leaks and other things that dont look right. I wear old clothes and plan to get dirty when I go look at used vehicles. Just because he hasnt ragged it doesnt mean someone else hasn't so keep a watchful eye. I would want to know which seals were replaced. Rust isn't an issue in my area, but if its a problem where you are then make sure someone did not just spray paint over the rust to hide it. Those are just a few things off the top of my head.

I think I can see lift shakles in the front. Some people don't mind them, but my CJ7 never drove right when I added 2" lift shackles to it. You will know when you drive it if there is an alignment issue. It looks like it has a body lift also, but it's hard to tell. Again, some people don't like body lifts, and others don't care. It's just a personal preference. Lift shackles and body lift are a cheap way to add lift. The reason I mention the lift is because I do not know your background, mechanical knowledge or anything about you. I just want to make you aware so you can make the most informed decision possible. It looks pretty clean in the pictures. I was going to offer to pull a carfax report for you, but I just checked and my account expired on the 10th.
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Old 07-16-2013, 02:02 PM   #8
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It looks like he is using shackles for the lift so that is a nono from when I had a YJ and there is a t case drop not that bad but not looked highly upon
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Old 07-16-2013, 02:09 PM   #9
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Thanks for all the help guys! Its a 6 inch rough country lift. I was wondering if I could removes those shackles and put shorter ones on even though it has the rough country lift? Im not familiar with lifting jeeps at all. My CJ years ago had a shackle lift. I didnt like it. Please advise. He said it was the rear and front oil seals that were replaced.

2jeepsthatrun, what do you mean by the transfer case drop?

Ill crawl all over it, will I be able to see rust on bottom of body since rhino lining is on inside?

Thanks, keep it coming. I definitely dont want to get burned.
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You will see rust under the jeep, but the Rhino will hide anything inside the tub. A transfer case drop can be a long piece of metal or spacers added between the frame and the skid plate to lower the transfer case. Lift will increase the angle on the driveshaft as the lift increases. This can cause the u-joints to have problems. The transfer case drop is added to decrease this angle. There is nothing wrong with this and is needed with some lifts. If he said it was a 6" rough country lift, then it might have 4" of lift from the leaf springs and the another 1"-2" of lift from the shackles. I would ask for clarification on that.

Are those oil seals the axle yoke seals, rear main seal, all the seals on both axles?

Also, I would expect to find things that need to be replaced after you get it home. Age has forced me to replace most of the rubber parts on my 1989.
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Thanks for all the help guys! Its a 6 inch rough country lift. I was wondering if I could removes those shackles and put shorter ones on even though it has the rough country lift? Im not familiar with lifting jeeps at all. My CJ years ago had a shackle lift. I didnt like it. Please advise. He said it was the rear and front oil seals that were replaced.

2jeepsthatrun, what do you mean by the transfer case drop?

Ill crawl all over it, will I be able to see rust on bottom of body since rhino lining is on inside?

Thanks, keep it coming. I definitely dont want to get burned.
A transfer case drop is something that some folks do when adding a lift to the jeep. It is longer bolts that go through the skid plate mount, and into the tcase. Essentially, lowering the skid plate, and t case, and lessening the angle of the drive shaft.

All it really does is eliminate some ground clearance when off road. If you aren't doing any major trails, where you may be flexed all the way, or potentially bottoming out, I wouldn't worry about it.

If I'm wrong on this, I'm sure someone will correct me.
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Old 07-16-2013, 02:34 PM   #12
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A transfer case drop is something that some folks do when adding a lift to the jeep. It is longer bolts that go through the skid plate mount, and into the tcase. Essentially, lowering the skid plate, and t case, and lessening the angle of the drive shaft.

All it really does is eliminate some ground clearance when off road. If you aren't doing any major trails, where you may be flexed all the way, or potentially bottoming out, I wouldn't worry about it.

If I'm wrong on this, I'm sure someone will correct me.
This and the poster above is correct. If you're confident in the mechanical soundness of the Jeep, get it. Everything can be changed to your liking with enough motivation. That's half the fun anyways.

I agree that the 6" of lift is probably from 4" springs and 2"s of shackle lift. Personally I would add the suspension you want for the height you want but the very first thing I would do is decide on a tire size you ultimately want to run and go from there. After deciding on that I would factor in a set of boom shackles in the .5"-1" lift area to replace those 2" monsters that are on there now. Booms are there to help spring inversion and suspension flex. They can be used with any springs so once you pick a size you will never have to worry about them again.

And in regards to the t-case drop, it's not a bad thing but it does take away from belly clearance. People lift the Jeeps, then drop the case which makes the original lift mostly void. Of course cruising around town and on fire roads it'll be fine. A slip yolk eliminator would be a much better choice but that coupled with a drive shaft would be in the 400-600 range which is why a lot of people skip them.


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Old 07-16-2013, 05:01 PM   #13
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With the age, you might consider ensure that the distributor cap and rotor are not full of crap too. I didn't do that when I bought my 93 and I regretted it soon after.
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With the age, you might consider ensure that the distributor cap and rotor are not full of crap too. I didn't do that when I bought my 93 and I regretted it soon after.
You should tune up a vehicle when you get it anyways


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Old 07-16-2013, 05:43 PM   #15
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I'd say if your comfortable with the Jeep then go for it! In my opinion it looks like a steal. Even if you pay 5K you have a 6 cylinder with lift and big tires, it's still a good deal. Most people spend MORE for that exact setup.
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Change out the shackles to stock and you won't have that 6" lift that you think is too high. might be just right.
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Old 07-16-2013, 09:34 PM   #17
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I personally hate those type of shackles. I wish Con-Ferr was still around. On a side note, I find it odd that the windshield wipers are "parked" to the drivers side. Shouldn't they be to the passenger. Mine is, as is most every other vehicle on the road.
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Old 07-17-2013, 08:09 AM   #18
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Well fellas,

the shopping continues Leaks were not what I was told, we assumed a blown head gasket and just a let down. Pictures never seem to show the truth. Ill keep a look out again and let you all know.

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Old 07-17-2013, 08:51 AM   #19
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Any one notice its a 92 with black interior? and that's a bummer!^^ also I think that a 4 inch lift with 2 inch shackles. what did he say about the price after you found it had a blown gasket?
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:35 AM   #20
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If I was going to buy this before I found out about the head gasket I would still be interested after I found out. I think $5300 was a good price for a solid (what was represented) ride with no rust. $5300 less the cost of an engine rebuild is what I would offer in cash on the hood. Lets be kind and assume the seller didn't know about the head gasket. Now that he does I think he would be a super motivated seller just to make the problem disappear. If you can get him to bite you could end up with an even better toy. IMO
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Old 07-17-2013, 03:00 PM   #21
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Also looking closer at the pictures those shackles look like the cheap adjustable ones from autozone
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:54 PM   #22
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Well I honestly don't think her knew any better. Not that I do either. Took a mechanic friend. He looked it over for me. He wouldn't go below five. He also had a busted window he didn't tell me about, significant leaks, etc... May have to look for a slightly newer one. He was pretty hard on it, but that's okay too,
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Old 07-18-2013, 09:41 AM   #23
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Take your time and find the right ride for you. This decision can be huge. Some people want one all restored and ready to roll while others are looking for a 'project' that they can enjoy getting dirty and bringing back themselves. I personally think the condition of the engine (inline 6 lol) and body are the most important. I would gladly pay more for a really tight machine. Who cares about the great deal you got for something that doesn't make you really jeep happy. Just me.
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Old 07-19-2013, 08:25 AM   #24
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Fantastic advice! Thanks for that. I get so excited I let things blur my vision on this!

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