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Old 11-30-2007, 12:38 AM   #1
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Rocky Road SOA kit?

I am looking into doing a spring over axle conversion probably pretty soon, and I am looking at this Rocky Road kit. http://www.rocky-road.com/yjspoa.html I would probably just save and go for the kit with the High Steer kit with the shocks, but would this be the best idea? I already have 6" of lift, but it definately doesn't have enough flex. Had it up on a rock today and it wanted to go over, it was on 2 tires and my 300 pound buddy was holding it from tipping. Not cool. Is there a better way to do what I want to do or should I just save and get that kit? Thanks guys

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Old 12-01-2007, 03:24 PM   #2
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Nobody has ANY input on this? I know theres already a SOA thread but I didn't want to hijack it, I figure you guys are pretty tired of me doing that by now.

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Old 12-01-2007, 03:51 PM   #3
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Spring over is the simplest way to get a huge step up in performance for your YJ. I don't have any experience at all with that kit, so can't give you any more feedback than that.
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Problem might be that nobody is familiar with that kit or brand
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Yeah, Makes sense. I'm not stuck on Rocky Road at all, I don't really know if they have quality parts, it was just one of the first brands I saw that came together as a 'kit' with everything I need (from what I could tell). Is there other, more well known brands that carry the same kind of thing that people already know is good? Thanks everyone.
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Old 12-01-2007, 08:45 PM   #6
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OK you want input!!! You got it.
First warning and all I needed to see was "BOLT ON SOA KIT" no way would I install that on my YJ.
Number one reason: Half the reason to install an SOA lift is to get all that crap off the bottom of your axles that you drag on all the time. This kit uses those same parts to bolt on the kit. So you just lost on of the reasons to go SOA.
Number Two reason: I ran an SOA for about 5 years and I got real familiar with how much torque is transfered to the axles as I spun an 8.8 tube that had been stitch welded. I would not trust a bolt on kit to hold up to these preasures for very long.
Do some research you can buy weld on parts cheaper then that kit and do it right.
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:10 PM   #7
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I am not sure who asked how much it was to do a SOA but I had EVERYTHING done at one time. If you already have a SYE and custom driveshaft it will be less money for you to do it. I even completely changed out my axles.
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OK, Thanks Hackle. I know I did ask for input, and I appreciate answers. Is there a SOA kit or anything close that you do recommend? I'm pretty much a newbie when it comes to this stuff so I often need help. With you saying 'spun a tube', do you mean that you had one of the tubes on the differential that comes off the pumpkin on each side twist from the leverage the SOA generates? What would be my best bet for doing a spring over axle conversion? Thank you for your help

crafty- I already do have the SYE and a CV driveline so that is out of the way, but it looks like I will have my hands plenty full just with the SOA already.
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:29 PM   #9
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Bottom line I know of no Good SOA kits they are built!
Do some Google searches on "Spring over Axle" you will find enough info to keep you busy for a month.
One major problem with an SOA is axle wrap you will need and anti wrap bar on the rear.
You have the spun a tube correct.
MORE makes some great parts for a SOA and that is what I used when I did mine. They are all weld on.
I had never done one either years ago. I spent a couple weeks doing research ordered all the parts and called my friends and told them we were doing an SOA on my YJ on Sunday. At the end of the day I drove my jeep out of the garage. Bottom line research what you want to build and you can do it.
I spent months planning how I wanted to link and coil over my YJ. The time was well spent.


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Thanks a lot Hackle. Sorry for all the questions, but can you explain 'axle wrap' and what the anti-wrap bar does? Is the bar something I can buy or does it have to be fabricated? So I guess I need more of a list of all the stuff I need rather than a 'kit'. I have access to welders and a full machine shop, but I don't know how to weld; I'd probably have to ask a buddy at work if he could help me with all the welding one Saturday or something. I'll do the Google search and look into it, and maybe it is something I will do a little bit farther down the line. Right now, I have the 93 YJ, with the SYE, CV driveline, 4.56 gears in both stock axles, ARB front and rear, and 6" of total lift. I am not exactly sure on the suspension configuration, I bought it with everything it has on it. It does have a body lift, I think 2". It has big shackles all the way around, and I don't know if thats what they do to get more lift, or if the leaf springs are different that stock. But what I am getting at is would there be a better way to spend money to get better off road performance out of my Jeep for right now, rather than doing the SOA quite yet. Thanks again.
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:30 PM   #11
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from what i understand and PLEASE correct me if im wrong axle wrap is when the the torque from accelerating causes the axle to "roll" on the spring.LIKE this

http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/susp/axlewrap/soa3.gif


WHY it is more prevalent in spring over i dont know well i kinda know but dont how to explain... THIS RIght HACKLE????
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:33 PM   #12
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And an anti wrap bar prevents the axle or pinion angle to change like this
http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/susp/axlewrap/soa7.gif

And a ladder bar
http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/susp/axlewrap/soa7.gif
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Oh, OK, that makes more sense now. I did a search and found a good thread on the SOA. From what I see I can get a good set of leaf springs and keep it SUA but still get the flex I am looking for without all the trouble of the SOA?

*edit* Well maybe not necessarily ALL of the flex I am looking for, but quite a bit more?

Your right, Hackle, the search button is a helpful little thing.
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:35 PM   #14
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ive heard good things about rubicon express but they are expensive!!!

Ive been looking into the monoleaf from superlift.
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I may just leave it how it is; it seems like it would be quite a bit of trouble to get a bit more lift out of it, unless I could JUST swap leaf springs for a couple more inches and more flex, but I don't think I could do that. I tried searching but I couldn't find much on upgrading leaf springs, and I don't know if I have stock leaf springs and if the shackles are what gives it the lift, or what. I couldn't find any info on that, either.
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Old 12-02-2007, 12:08 PM   #16
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The SOA lift is not as easy as some try to make it sound the more you understand the pros and cons the easier it is for you to make that call for yourself.
With a SOA you get more axle wrap because you change the leverage points on the springs. I always used the long MORE spring perches to help with this and ran an anti wrap bar. Even with that when climbing I would get wheel hop.
The flex is great but there are things you need to deal with like the front steering.
To get more flex out of your present set up make sure the shackle bolts are not to tight. They need to let the springs move inside the shackle.
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OK, thanks Jim. I'll check the bolts on the shackles. Should I just see if I can tighten one, and if I can't then back it off a little bit, and repeat on the rest? I know, I know, theres tons of threads about this, and I read through most of them, but it mostly just seems like personal opinion; some like em, some don't. But what are your thoughts on the Teraflex Revolver shackles? Do you think it would it be worth it to buy them in my case? Thanks again Jim.
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Old 12-02-2007, 03:27 PM   #18
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OK shackle bolts should be nylocks and run down to about 20 ft #
Revolvers to me are junk. They will give you more flex but only when they have no weight applied. I other words they will not add traction when you need it. The tire hangs from it and as soon as you get traction they will start to retract. Nothing gained for your money.
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You have done some research and are now asking questions that are specific. I will help you all I can as now you are starting to understand the suspension systems.
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OK I'll check the torque and make sure they're nylocs. Thanks Jim.

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