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Old 07-11-2013, 10:30 AM   #31
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stock cj, yj ,and tj over a POS jk any day! they are round, fat, and wide just like girls after highschool
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I feel too cramped in the TJ and JKs are just too fancy for me. I like the openness fo the YJ. Also I am 6'5" 260lbs lol!
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I'm 6'6", 235 and my YJ is perfect for me but if I wanted a newer Jeep it would be between the Apache, and the Recon.
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That'd be perfect. I'd love to find another stock YJ in great shape, but its hard in Michigan. All the YJs have some rust around here.
Where abouts in Michigan are you? I'm in Durand in between flint and Lansing
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since you already have a bimmer as a daily i would recommend a yj or a tj for cost reasons, unless you have a need for 4 doors.
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Where abouts in Michigan are you? I'm in Durand in between flint and Lansing
White Cloud, between Big Rapids and Newaygo.
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Well, I'll probably get some flak for my answer, but...If you can find the YJ, and it is going to be mostly an offroad rig, then I would take that route. As a DD, I would stay away from the TJ at this point, Unless you can find a super clean one. Rust runs more rampant on a TJ than a YJ, and frame rot is more prevalent in them (at least where I live). I traded my wife's TJ and my old CJ5 in for here 2008 used JK...and I only paid $10,000. I will not part with my YJ's and the JK is pretty decent, especially as a DD. As stated above, the TJ doesn't have as much room as a YJ or a JK for the driver.

Oh, and my wife's JK is bone stock, half doors with no power locks, windows, or any other crap that can be ruined easier. It does have airbags, CD player. I love not having a big key fob to mess with, just an ignition key.
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Oh, and my wife's JK is bone stock, half doors with no power locks, windows, or any other crap that can be ruined easier. It does have airbags, CD player. I love not having a big key fob to mess with, just an ignition key.
The biggest problem I've seen with the electronics in with the transmission. It hates water. My buddy did a shallow water crossing in his 2012 and it shorted out and went into limp mode. The water wasnt quite to the rockers yet either. So maybe 20" deep. I've read lots of other horror stories too.
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For 20k I would buy a YJ, convert it to diesel and Dana 60s. They I would buy whatever accesories I wanted, then spend all the change on beer.
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my jeeps are always for sale but I would not trade my cj7 for a jk
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White Cloud, between Big Rapids and Newaygo.
Oh dang that's about 2 and a half hours away from me haha
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Well, if you care about how well your gonna do off road, a stock JK is a no brainer. But if you want to LOOK like you can do serous off roading, the YJ would be better. YJ's and JKs are my favorite jeeps, but for any kind of serous off roading, Id stick with the JK. For DD, obviously a JK. For looks, JK. For capability, jk. For money's sake, JK. Modded vehicle require a lot more maintenance than stock, broken shafts, joints, blah blah.
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Jks need a ton of work to keep up with a modded yj. Also, most modded YJs have higher reliability and stronger parts. The traction system on the JK is horrible, unless you like the smell of burnt brakes. The electronics are a pain in the ass and fail from wet abuse. My buddies have JKs. They can't keep up and parts cost more then double mine. Mall crawlers.

My one buddy is looking for a yj to build for Offroad because of those reasons. They don't make them like they used to.
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Well, if you care about how well your gonna do off road, a stock JK is a no brainer. But if you want to LOOK like you can do serous off roading, the YJ would be better. YJ's and JKs are my favorite jeeps, but for any kind of serous off roading, Id stick with the JK. For DD, obviously a JK. For looks, JK. For capability, jk. For money's sake, JK. Modded vehicle require a lot more maintenance than stock, broken shafts, joints, blah blah.
I was thinking long and hard and this sums it up for me. Going for a jk unlimited. hopefully can get a good deal on a 2012. Not worth paying double insurance, maintenance costs, ect with having 2 cars and a bike. Thanks everyone for your input.
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But if you want to LOOK like you can do serous off roading, the YJ would be better .

Um, excuse me? Please explain...

I don't think I've ever read a more ignorant post on this site until now. Does this also mean that if you drive a JK you look like a pansy-offroader?
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Well, if you care about how well your gonna do off road, a stock TJ is a no brainer. But if you want to LOOK like you can do serious off roading, the JK would be better. TJs and YJs are my favorite jeeps, but for any kind of serious off roading, Id stick with the TJ. For DD and not any off-roading obviously a JK. For looks, TJ. For capability, TJ. For money's sake, TJ.
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My yj can do just as much if not more than the new Jks and I don't have to worry about frying all the silly electronics
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I'll stick with my YJ thanks...To me the 4 door JK is UglyAsF...2 door is alright..ya want a 4 door jeep..shoulda bought a Cherokee..What?,the Cherokee aint good enough?..
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I didn't read every post...but did see something about having a BMW for a DD...assuming the Jeep is going to be a "TOY"...yeah the YJ would probably be the way to go....parts are available but not as much for the YJ as the TJs or JKs but still lots of options......second question if TOY/ off road RIG...how good mechanic are you? Any Jeep if wheeled is going to need upgrades/ repairs....probably sooner than later...granted all vehicles need repairs....but it is nice knowing for the first 3 years I only pay for oil changes on the wifes JK....myself I drive a TJ...slightly modded..that was purchased "new" in '04
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Um, excuse me? Please explain...

I don't think I've ever read a more ignorant post on this site until now. Does this also mean that if you drive a JK you look like a pansy-offroader?
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Tough choice but seeing as though you have a BMW for a daily driver I would go for the YJ. I don't need a daily driver car since I travel for a living so I bought a YJ so I could have something to work on and modify.
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So, seriously, this is going to come down to personal preference.

I love YJ's. As you might gather from my name here on the forums. I think theyre a great base for a trail jeep, and i think they're a nice mix of simplicity and modern-ish features. You can get a YJ with AC and a hard top, for a comphy-ish dd, or something base you can build on your own. The TJ is similar, but the modern has taken over, and its less attractive, to me, as a trail rig.

All that being said, a few months back I bought a JK (2 door) for my DD. I commute 80 miles a day, and im not a teenager anymore... The jk is nice! As comfortable as I could expect from a wrangler, 20 MPG (actual mileage, not epa ratings), and enough get up and go to make it a blast to drive. And all the perks of driving a wrangler. Removable top and doors, legendary off-road, short wheel base, maneuverable as hell, and i dont have to worry about any terrain that ends up in front of me.

I intend to drive the JK, stock, or very close to stock, for a very long time, and build another YJ for the trails.
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Um, excuse me? Please explain...

I don't think I've ever read a more ignorant post on this site until now. Does this also mean that if you drive a JK you look like a pansy-offroader?
Would you like for me to explain or would you like to just throw your opinion around? A JK looks like a street queen compared to a modified YJ, but In every situation I've been in with other YJs behind me on a trail, I've always flexed more, had more clearance, less things went wrong. And mine was stock. I'll give you an example... I was on a blue trail at a local off road park with another stock 2 door jk, we both were disconnected and aired down, crawling around and doing everything with ease, a long comes a YJ who LOOKED like a crawler, large black rims and tires, looked like 32" mud tires or something, decent lift, skids, blah blah blah, what ever, he had the whole setup and looked mean, anyway, he was behind us and there were about three situations were me and the other JK guy stopped to watch the YJ begin to loose tires left and right on the rocks and barely made it out of the trail that I did with ease. He was slipping on rocks, crashing his skids on ledges that my 4 door cleared, and was barely making the climb up to get to the top of a hill that we went on. So guess what? My street queen looking soccer mom jeep tore that trail up while the modified YJ struggled. Don't get me wrong, I love YJs, always will, second favorite jeep, and am currently looking to buy one for myself to build up, but unless there's serous money put into them (like what I plan on doing), they aren't comparable to the jk off road. I'm not talking out of my a**, I've been there and done that enough times to respond to you, so hopefully this made sense so I don't have to type another post like this.
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Fixed it for you.

Older jks had the oil burning 3.8. Newer ones have the head gobbling 3.6
Lol... That's funny TJs are great too don't get me wrong, but from the factory, their belly just sit too low and the tires are dreadful. But with a tiny bit of work, they are great. A JK is basically a TJ, just refined, same suspension, just some better tires and higher sitting skids, so I agree with this

Oh, and the head issue isn't enough to call out the new 3.6. Ones it's dealt with, the engine is great, I love mine.(even with the ticking) It's something that you just have to ignore until you fix, and once it's fixed, it's like nothing happened (all under warranty time too)
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Would you like for me to explain or would you like to just throw your opinion around? A JK looks like a street queen compared to a modified YJ, but In every situation I've been in with other YJs behind me on a trail, I've always flexed more, had more clearance, less things went wrong. And mine was stock. I'll give you an example... I was on a blue trail at a local off road park with another stock 2 door jk, we both were disconnected and aired down, crawling around and doing everything with ease, a long comes a YJ who LOOKED like a crawler, large black rims and tires, looked like 32" mud tires or something, decent lift, skids, blah blah blah, what ever, he had the whole setup and looked mean, anyway, he was behind us and there were about three situations were me and the other JK guy stopped to watch the YJ begin to loose tires left and right on the rocks and barely made it out of the trail that I did with ease. He was slipping on rocks, crashing his skids on ledges that my 4 door cleared, and was barely making the climb up to get to the top of a hill that we went on. So guess what? My street queen looking soccer mom jeep tore that trail up while the modified YJ struggled. Don't get me wrong, I love YJs, always will, second favorite jeep, and am currently looking to buy one for myself to build up, but unless there's serous money put into them (like what I plan on doing), they aren't comparable to the jk off road. I'm not talking out of my a**, I've been there and done that enough times to respond to you, so hopefully this made sense so I don't have to type another post like this.
you base your opinion on one YJ?

I call Shenanigans! Just because ONE guy didnt build his Jeep to flex (probably had really stiff springs and zero experience), does that mean ALL YJs are bad compared to your JK?

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