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Old 07-13-2013, 10:27 PM   #61
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you base your opinion on one YJ?

I call Shenanigans! Just because ONE guy didnt build his Jeep to flex (probably had really stiff springs and zero experience), does that mean ALL YJs are bad compared to your JK?

IMO: build it right, build it once, repair any carnage and have fun no matter what you are driving....
I've watched a lot of YJs bash them selves up on stuff that a jk wouldn't of... Again, I've seen this more than just once. So the X factor isnt to blame. Anyway, I will agree with your last post and wether it be a JK or YJ, if you build it right, there unstoppable

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Thank you social media, every simple discussion turns into flame.

Any jeep has the capability, its the driver that matters. i crawled my YJ on 33's SUA on a 3.5" lift through all manner of stuff with little problem. Even more so after i SOA'd it. I've seen TJ's do some amazing stuff, i havent wheeled with many JK's, and havent had mine in anything crazy yet, but i;d be willing to bet an experienced driver (myself included) could do some impressive things with that base as well.

Stop the model bashing BS.

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The amount of money that you would spend on a new jk I think is kinda crazy. Nothing really that spectacular or anything. So if you picked up a yj for a few grand and spent the same amount of money as a new jk would on mods and stuff. Your yj would put a stock jk to shame. It would out do it completely. My yj now would out do a stock jk.
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The amount of money that you would spend on a new jk I think is kinda crazy. Nothing really that spectacular or anything. So if you picked up a yj for a few grand and spent the same amount of money as a new jk would on mods and stuff. Your yj would put a stock jk to shame. It would out do it completely. My yj now would out do a stock jk.
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That's an understatement. If I put that much in my jeep it would be indestructible.
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The amount of money that you would spend on a new jk I think is kinda crazy. Nothing really that spectacular or anything. So if you picked up a yj for a few grand and spent the same amount of money as a new jk would on mods and stuff. Your yj would put a stock jk to shame. It would out do it completely. My yj now would out do a stock jk.

Of course a modded YJ would out wheel a stock JK just as much as a modded JK would out wheel a stock YJ.

Bottom line is each has their place and they are both Jeeps.

Ive climbed some obstacles in my JK on 35s with ease that I couldn't get my built CJ on 37s over, and had the happen the other way around.

I will say one thing though, the drive to Moab from TX is sure alot nicer in July in an air conditioned JK than it is in a non AC CJ on 37s sucking mucho gas and putting out massive heat from that built AMC 360.

So for now, I'll just keep both my Jeeps, the CJ and the JK. Each has it's place. BTW, I do remember the day, as I'm sure others here do as well, when the YJ was getting even less respect than the JK is now.

Someone earlier mentioned rattles as well for the sign of a true Jeep. Well then, I guess my JK is more of a true Jeep than my CJ as I hear far more rattles in that than I do in my CJ. Or is it that my CJ rattles more but I just can't hear it over the roar of the 360and twin flowmaster 40s and the hum of the MTs?
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Wheeling a JK means smelling burnt brakes from your traction control system, watching out for water high enough to kill electronics, and knowing that if a normal $50-$100 part breaks, it will cost you $300+ because you have a JK. There are ways around some of these, but if you are going to wheel it that hard then you should just build a Jeep. JKs are good for mall crawling. They will be better in 15 years when you can pick up a high mileage one for cheap and rip it apart to upgrade everything. The same thing we do with the old Jeeps. This really is an argument of do you want to have a shiney turd and make it look cool, or build something that you can abuse. As far as dollar for dollar performance, a JK wont come close until you can pick them up used and abused to rebuild correctly.

A YJ with a brand new drivetrain with a crate motor, dana 60's, etc, can be built for under 25k if you do everything! I am talking new gauges, stereo, AC, motor, lockers, onboard air, diesel/Gas V8 (you pick). There is no way in hell you would ever get a JK with the stock axles and motor to compete with it. And you could refine it however you want, colors, seats.... Why the hell would anyone who knows what they are talking about, or that can work on a Jeep go buy a new one?
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Wheeling a JK means smelling burnt brakes from your traction control system, watching out for water high enough to kill electronics, and knowing that if a normal $50-$100 part breaks, it will cost you $300+ because you have a JK. There are ways around some of these, but if you are going to wheel it that hard then you should just build a Jeep. JKs are good for mall crawling. They will be better in 15 years when you can pick up a high mileage one for cheap and rip it apart to upgrade everything. The same thing we do with the old Jeeps. This really is an argument of do you want to have a shiney turd and make it look cool, or build something that you can abuse. As far as dollar for dollar performance, a JK wont come close until you can pick them up used and abused to rebuild correctly.

A YJ with a brand new drivetrain with a crate motor, dana 60's, etc, can be built for under 25k if you do everything! I am talking new gauges, stereo, AC, motor, lockers, onboard air, diesel/Gas V8 (you pick). There is no way in hell you would ever get a JK with the stock axles and motor to compete with it. And you could refine it however you want, colors, seats.... Why the hell would anyone who knows what they are talking about, or that can work on a Jeep go buy a new one?
I've been wheeling JKs for 5 years and haven't experienced any of what you describe. Feel free to come down and try to keep up with my JK. I said try because with what you posted above its pretty clear you really don't know anything about wheeling.

Looks like much of this has turned into a bash fest led by the uninformed who continue to drink the koolaide and are unable to see that each vehicle has its merits.

So again, feel free to come on down to TX and just try to follow me. Don't worry though, I do have a winch, recovery gear, and tools to help you when your junk gets stuck then breaks. If you do take me up on my offer, please ensure you have good solid recovery points and skids on your rig because you will need them and I don't want anyone complaining when I yank their rig out of an obstacle I just drove thru and their junk gets torn up.
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Lol. I wheel with jks and have helped show friends how to make them preform better so they can keep up. For example locking them and bypassing that crappy traction control system that burns the brakes up. I still don't invite them to the real Offroad spots. Especially the JKU with 35's that comes out a bit. He is a cool dude and has a nice Jeep, but pulling him out of deep holes gets old after a while. I have nothing to prove to you. Keep convincing yourself you didn't waste $15k or more because it is shiny. I will continue to abuse my Jeep.

BTW, experienced nothing I described... So you have no traction control system, have never had a single electronic problem, and never had to pay more for a JK part then a YJ part? If that is true your version of wheeling and mine are completely different. My buddies with JK's break their too. Stuff always breaks.
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I've been wheeling JKs for 5 years and haven't experienced any of what you describe. Feel free to come down and try to keep up with my JK. I said try because with what you posted above its pretty clear you really don't know anything about wheeling.

Looks like much of this has turned into a bash fest led by the uninformed who continue to drink the koolaide and are unable to see that each vehicle has its merits.

So again, feel free to come on down to TX and just try to follow me. Don't worry though, I do have a winch, recovery gear, and tools to help you when your junk gets stuck then breaks. If you do take me up on my offer, please ensure you have good solid recovery points and skids on your rig because you will need them and I don't want anyone complaining when I yank their rig out of an obstacle I just drove thru and their junk gets torn up.
We are just saying that if you spend $20k on a JK, you will have a less capable jeep than if you had $20k in a YJ. I'd rather spend $5k on a YJ, then put $15k in mods into it than buy a stock JK for that $20k.
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I've been wheeling JKs for 5 years and haven't experienced any of what you describe. Feel free to come down and try to keep up with my JK. I said try because with what you posted above its pretty clear you really don't know anything about wheeling.

Looks like much of this has turned into a bash fest led by the uninformed who continue to drink the koolaide and are unable to see that each vehicle has its merits.

So again, feel free to come on down to TX and just try to follow me. Don't worry though, I do have a winch, recovery gear, and tools to help you when your junk gets stuck then breaks. If you do take me up on my offer, please ensure you have good solid recovery points and skids on your rig because you will need them and I don't want anyone complaining when I yank their rig out of an obstacle I just drove thru and their junk gets torn up.
That is the most ignorant post I've ever seen on here!
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Look at the shit storm I started lol.

I'm not a hardcore offroader, I plan on getting rid of the BMW and keeping the jk as my daily, don't want to pay double insurance.... Double maintenance etc...

I need something a little more comfy then the yj plus I'd like to fit a few friends when heading to the beach without being super cramped and no room for a cooler or anything.

This is why I am getting a jku, 2013 or possibly 2014. 26k new, I don't need all the fancy gadgets :/

I'm getting old with lower back issues, I loved my yj but it was a rough ride for me.

I just sold my motorcycle... Leaning over and having lower back pain was enough to keep me from enjoying it. All jeeps rock....
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That is the most ignorant post I've ever seen on here!
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Lol. I wheel with jks and have helped show friends how to make them preform better so they can keep up. For example locking them and bypassing that crappy traction control system that burns the brakes up. I still don't invite them to the real Offroad spots. Especially the JKU with 35's that comes out a bit. He is a cool dude and has a nice Jeep, but pulling him out of deep holes gets old after a while. I have nothing to prove to you. Keep convincing yourself you didn't waste $15k or more because it is shiny. I will continue to abuse my Jeep.

BTW, experienced nothing I described... So you have no traction control system, have never had a single electronic problem, and never had to pay more for a JK part then a YJ part? If that is true your version of wheeling and mine are completely different. My buddies with JK's break their too. Stuff always breaks.
Come play with the big boys if you think you can hang then. I have some cash that says you can't go everywhere I can in my Jk. Especially on your little 33s.
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We are just saying that if you spend $20k on a JK, you will have a less capable jeep than if you had $20k in a YJ. I'd rather spend $5k on a YJ, then put $15k in mods into it than buy a stock JK for that $20k.
I do understand that but when foolish statements are made by people who obviously know nothing about wheeling when they make ignorant claims like I've seen here I just have to call BS. If those that made those claims actually wheeled in the good stuff (I.e. not at the mall) they would not have made those asinine statements.
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Look at the shit storm I started lol.

I'm not a hardcore offroader, I plan on getting rid of the BMW and keeping the jk as my daily, don't want to pay double insurance.... Double maintenance etc...

I need something a little more comfy then the yj plus I'd like to fit a few friends when heading to the beach without being super cramped and no room for a cooler or anything.

This is why I am getting a jku, 2013 or possibly 2014. 26k new, I don't need all the fancy gadgets :/

I'm getting old with lower back issues, I loved my yj but it was a rough ride for me.

I just sold my motorcycle... Leaning over and having lower back pain was enough to keep me from enjoying it. All jeeps rock....
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Just throw a BB and a set of 35s on it and you'll be able to out wheel most of those talking smack here. And with the AC on at 105 degrees! The JK is by far the most capable Jeep right out of the box and with just a few mods wheels great. Sorry there are so many haters here.

Ya know though, us REAL Jeepers that own CJs said the same thing about the YJ when it came out. Talk about polishing a turd! It can't even be a real Jeep with the square headlights and all. Not to mention the awesome D35 rear end, weak tranny, foolish panhard rods, anemic 6 cyl that can't even get out of its own way.... I'll stop now. Laughing to hard at those that actually think a YJ is a real Jeep and can actually wheel!
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Challenge extended to you as well.
Pretty sure I could walk all over where you and your silly little mall crawling mini vans go why are you even on the yj forum if all you are gonna do Is talk down on us like children grow up!
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Pretty sure I could walk all over where you and your silly little mall crawling mini vans go why are you even on the yj forum if all you are gonna do Is talk down on us like children grow up!
Like I said, have to call BS when I see it. That's all I have done is call BS. If you feel I talked down to you I'm sorry I hurt your feelings so easily. Please accept my apology. No offense was meant though I still stand by what I have said regarding 4 wheeling abilities.
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http://www.wranglerforum.com/f8/i-ne...rs-255965.html

This is a wonderful example of how superior the YJ is to the minivan JK when it comes to wheeling capabilities.
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I'd love to accept your challenge, just to have some fun. But I'm only 18, been wheeling for a year, and can't afford to drive to Texas. Around here in Michigan, I don't have much terrain that actually pushes my jeep, so I'd love to try some more hardcore stuff.

No matter what, I think we can all agree that with the right mods, any jeep can be capable. Some of us stick with simple, cheap and rugged, while others go for more luxury. If you've got the money, you can make any Jeep as capable as you need it to be.

With $20,000, you can buy or build an awesome YJ, or buy a stock or slightly modded JK. It's all personal preference. I prefer fewer electronics, leaf springs, square headlights, and cheaper parts, but that's just me. I also love my little anemic 4.0l HO and weak AX15.
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This is a wonderful example of how superior the YJ is to the minivan JK when it comes to wheeling capabilities.

I wonder how much the TCS costs in the overall price of the JK's, do you think it'd be any less than installing a locker in a YJ? Persoanally, I'd rather have something I can physically/mechanically engage and know it's working, rather than pushing a button, that's just me though.

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With $20,000, you can buy or build an awesome YJ, or buy a stock or slightly modded JK. It's all personal preference. I prefer fewer electronics, leaf springs, square headlights, and cheaper parts, but that's just me. I also love my little anemic 4.0l HO and weak AX15.
I think I agree with you the most. Although I don't prefer square headlights, I think not having a $250+ per/month car payment -and- having to buy upgrades for a new JK is the deal-breaker for me. Maybe when the JK's get older/cheaper and their market expands it'll be equally efficient to mod them. Although I do wonder how all of that electrical system is going to hold up over the years. I got 20+ years on my YJ so when a JK gets that old and doesn't have any major issues in that department they can take the cake.

That being said, I think both platforms will suffice depending on how you mod them and what you want out of them. A JK can out-do any YJ, and a YJ can out-do any JK.
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I got my yj for $2150 with 95k miles and a blown transmission. Dropped about $4k in it.
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You said double insurance and double the parts and labor for a yj? My yj is the cheapest and the most simple thing I've ever worked on and my insurance is next to nothing.
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To the OP,best of luck in your decision. It sounds like you've made your decision already, and the most practical one. You really don't want to be riding around in a modded YJ with an already hurt back. And if/when you decide to mod your JK, it will still feel comfortable enough for you to not feel any back pain. And to kind of clear this up to you, in case you still weren't sure, you will go places (if you so desire) in that JK that not many people could never go, so don't even worry about mods and capability. Let that bug bite you when it comes around.
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Agreed 100%. A JK is a great riding vehicle, especially if you have back pains. It is too bad that the thread turned into a bashing fest, but it was very interesting. Good luck with whatever decision you make in the future, because as all Jeepers know, plans change and who knows what you'll really get or what you'll do to it.
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I wonder how much the TCS costs in the overall price of the JK's, do you think it'd be any less than installing a locker in a YJ? Persoanally, I'd rather have something I can physically/mechanically engage and know it's working, rather than pushing a button, that's just me though.



I think I agree with you the most. Although I don't prefer square headlights, I think not having a $250+ per/month car payment -and- having to buy upgrades for a new JK is the deal-breaker for me. Maybe when the JK's get older/cheaper and their market expands it'll be equally efficient to mod them. Although I do wonder how all of that electrical system is going to hold up over the years. I got 20+ years on my YJ so when a JK gets that old and doesn't have any major issues in that department they can take the cake.

That being said, I think both platforms will suffice depending on how you mod them and what you want out of them. A JK can out-do any YJ, and a YJ can out-do any JK.
As for the cost of the TCS, who knows. I do believe there is some confusion here regarding the system. This system defaults to on and has to be physically turned off. There is no push a button to turn it on unless the owner has modded their Jeep. I think some of this confusion and misunderstanding is what has led to alot of the JK bashing here. It is actually a pretty good system. It sure is nice to have the brakes applied to just 1 wheel to help you get up an obstacle. To get that in any other vehicle you are talking about some seriously expensive cutting brakes like on comp rock crawlers and sand rails. I had to call BS on what 1 poster said about smoking brakes on the trail because of that system. That has to be the most absurd flat out lie I have read in a while. Just think about it.... if that was the case and truly happened your brakes would be overheating every day while driving on the road. My guess was that it was the poster's lack of driving skill was smoking his (or her) own clutch so much that was what was being smelled. The system doesn't work well in soft sand but then the owner just needs to push a button to turn it off. Once that is done it's okay.

As for the ability to manually engaging a traction aiding device, the majority of them don't allow you that capability. I have seen to many times where a locker or LSD has actually kept a Jeep from making it up a sand dune because they lacked the ability to turn it off. In the JK, push a button and Bam, it's off.
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I'd love to accept your challenge, just to have some fun. But I'm only 18, been wheeling for a year, and can't afford to drive to Texas. Around here in Michigan, I don't have much terrain that actually pushes my jeep, so I'd love to try some more hardcore stuff.

No matter what, I think we can all agree that with the right mods, any jeep can be capable. Some of us stick with simple, cheap and rugged, while others go for more luxury. If you've got the money, you can make any Jeep as capable as you need it to be.

With $20,000, you can buy or build an awesome YJ, or buy a stock or slightly modded JK. It's all personal preference. I prefer fewer electronics, leaf springs, square headlights, and cheaper parts, but that's just me. I also love my little anemic 4.0l HO and weak AX15.






It's all good!

It all comes with time. At your age I was still driving my 45 Willys so I know all about lack of money and that sort of thing. Trips were out of the question. I wasn't able to make long wheeling trips like I do now for a while. That's one of the reasons I got the JK. The drive from TX to Moab would have been a killer in the CJ in July. Have done similar trips (Colorado) but it's not ideal. Ya never know though, I may run into you on the trail some time.

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