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Old 02-21-2009, 12:22 PM   #1
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Angry why torx?

I fregging HATE torx!! Who in the hell invented these pos?

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Old 02-21-2009, 12:24 PM   #2
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Old 02-21-2009, 12:27 PM   #3
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Hehehe. The engineer that invented them obviously intended them to ONLY be used in the vacuum of space. Any amount of rust seizes them things into an "impossible to remove" state whereas they bond and become one with the Jeep.

But look on the bright side. The head gives you a great place to shove the drill bit into when you go to drill them out!
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Engineers need things to tweek or they get bored. Just be thankfull the Saturn engineers didn't get theirs hand on the 4.0L. If they had you would have a water pump driven by the timing chain that requires special tools and precautions or you'll "F" up the timing and be SOL. Flippin water pump job is $600 to the dealer! Gotta love us engineers.
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Old 02-21-2009, 01:13 PM   #5
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^ No I really dont acctually you should just leave stuff alone that works! lol
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Old 02-21-2009, 01:18 PM   #6
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engineers don't have to work on the stuff when it breaks. they only care about making it look pretty.
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thats true. Why dont they make something for my stripped torx that acctually works so I can get these sobs out!
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Old 02-21-2009, 01:22 PM   #8
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that's not their job.
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Old 02-21-2009, 01:54 PM   #9
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It should be lets start a petition or something to get rid of torx forever
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Old 02-21-2009, 02:06 PM   #10
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I don't really have any troubles with torx. I just use an adapter, a torx bit and one of these impact drivers from the very beginning. I won't try anything else until I've used this.

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Torx were invented to help fill up the "cuss box" at shops all around the world. -- You know, where you get fined a quarter for each cuss word you say while working on a vehicle???!!!

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Old 02-21-2009, 02:36 PM   #12
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i'd be a millionaire if i had one of those.
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thats true. Why dont they make something for my stripped torx that acctually works so I can get these sobs out!
it's called GrabIT.
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Old 02-21-2009, 04:25 PM   #15
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I don't really have any troubles with torx. I just use an adapter, a torx bit and one of these impact drivers from the very beginning. I won't try anything else until I've used this.

I also use this same tool.. just use it before you even try with your ratchet.
Harbor freight I think mine was like $7
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Old 02-21-2009, 04:39 PM   #16
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I also use this same tool.. just use it before you even try with your ratchet.
Harbor freight I think mine was like $7
That is the key right there. Before all else use that. Cuz everything else will slip and muck up the bolt head.
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I don't really have any troubles with torx. I just use an adapter, a torx bit and one of these impact drivers from the very beginning. I won't try anything else until I've used this.

coyote where did you get that from? is it a good one? i wanna get one for out tool box.
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Old 02-21-2009, 05:31 PM   #19
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That one is a craftsman (so it came from sears) and it works excellent.
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thanks man. i'll be picking one up.
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Ya, that one is VERY durable. I hit mine with a 5 lb sledge using absolutely everything I've got over and over again and it just takes it all.....with a smile.
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torx just take patience...they are designed to be a flush mount fastener and are less likely to strip than allens....i have had my frustrations with them also but i understand their purpose....to make us mad.....take ur time and tap the torx socket in with a hammer before trying to loosen it....it works 90% of the time
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torx just take patience...they are designed to be a flush mount fastener and are less likely to strip than allens....i have had my frustrations with them also but i understand their purpose....to make us mad.....take ur time and tap the torx socket in with a hammer before trying to loosen it....it works 90% of the time
you must have some very good luck if it has worked 90% of the time.
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A couple of tricks I've used when the head has rusted - with 100% success.

First tap tap tap on it to loosen the rust on the threads.

Soak it with PB Blaster - much better than Liquid Wrench or wd-40 (kerosene and perfume.)

Spray it clean with brake cleaner - get all the oil off.

Dribble a few drops of Muriatic acid into the head. It'll eat the rust in the head. Wait 5 or 10 minutes, or until it stops bubbling. Neutralize it with baking soda. Wash out the head with more brake cleaner.

Tap tap tap again, then use the correct tool to screw it out.

The taps loosen and break the rust on the threads, PB Blaster lubricates the threads, the brake cleaner removes the oil, the acid eats the rust in the head so your tool will go all the way in. It's a pain in the a--, but it's doable.
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engineers don't have to work on the stuff when it breaks. they only care about making it look pretty.
As an engineer, I can tell you that I could care less about looking pretty...functionality first...budget constraints second...ease of maintenance third...looks never come into the picture. That's for the industrial design team.

The Machineries Handbook...the bible of engineering...says this...

TORX
a star-shaped "hexalobular" drive with six rounded points. It was designed to permit increased torque transfer from the driver to the bit compared to other drive systems. TORX is very popular in the automotive and electronics industries due to resistance to cam out and extended bit life, as well as reduced operator fatigue by minimizing the need to bear down on the drive tool to prevent cam out.

I'm not saying any of this is true as I've wrestled with my fair share of seized torx bolts and cursded their existence...but I can see the theory behind their use. Perhaps it's the grade of the steel used in the manufacture of the torx bolts on Jeeps as opposed to the design itself. Maybe a little NeverSeize would have been a good idea.
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Yup I agree it is just a theory
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They made them to piss people like you off. haha no i hate them too

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