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Old 11-04-2007, 09:20 PM   #1
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Winch Questions

hey all, im planning on getting a winch in a few months and i have a few questions.

1. What are ya'll experiences with the different brands? im looking toward mile marker, but i know the reputation of warn


2. I have a double tube front bumper with the winch cutout, ive been noticing that most plates are reccommended with factory bumper, what kind of problems will i have mounting my winch?

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Old 11-05-2007, 12:16 AM   #2
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i have the roughcountry x-series winch plate. it´s higher than the other plates. but i didn´t fit. had to make some metal distance pieces.

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i have the Tabor 9K winch. havent gotten it on yet, but ive heard nothing but good things about them. its a cheap way to get a warn bc they really are a warn winch, made with the same parts by the same company, they just dont offer a lifetime warrenty like the warns. but it does come with a one year warrenty. i picked mine up from 4WD.com for 499 bucks
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Old 11-05-2007, 01:44 PM   #4
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I bought a used Warn off craigslist. Warn has great support if you have a problem. The above is correct, Tabor is a Warn product so that would be good too. I have seen a lot of Mile Marker's on the trail and the owners seem to be happy with them.

On mounting, just make sure you a the right size winch plate and use Grade 8 bolts when doing the install.

If you can opt for synthetic winchline, it's awesome after you have ran cable for a while.
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I got myself a smittybuilt xrc8 for $300, not a single problems with it yet, I've put it through some hell and it hasnt even bogged down. The line speed isnt the fastest, but who cares if it gets you out of being stuck.
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i have the Tabor 9K winch. havent gotten it on yet, but ive heard nothing but good things about them. its a cheap way to get a warn bc they really are a warn winch, made with the same parts by the same company, they just dont offer a lifetime warrenty like the warns. but it does come with a one year warrenty. i picked mine up from 4WD.com for 499 bucks
The reason they don't offer a lifetime warranty with these is they are made in China. I am going to cut and paste from a discussion on cheap winches from David at Rokmen:

"The reason why allot of these winches look alike is because they are made in the same Chineese factory. I'm not saying it with sarcasim or anything - just being truthful.

There is one extremely large Chineese manufacturer who builds most of the worlds winches. Picture going into their factory showroom and seeing 20-30 different winch styles on the wall with a price per quantity chart and a "Your Name Here" sticker on them. This is why so many of them are very similar.

All of these extremely inexpensive winches you see poping up under several obscure brand names - are these off the shelf units coming out of this same factory.

There are very few winch manufacturers outside of this one place in China. Warn and Superwinch come to mind - Both build certain lines of winches here in the states - But even they have some items built by the same manufacturer in China because they have to be able to make price points being demmanded from the market. (This is unfortunate - but true, this thread is an example of that pressure)

Tmaxx buit in the outback - if you consider way outback in China... Sorry - lots of marketing hype around that one...

Side note - Warn and Superwinch are the top 2 winch distributors in the world. (Notice the word "Distributors" - The largest "Manufacturer" is the place in China)

So if Warn and Superwinch use this manufacturer - doesn't it mean the other winches are the same quality? No, not at all. What helps to determine the seperation is the amount of the winch that is designed by the initial company and the quality control measures they take. For instance The Superwinch EPi's - Completely designed by Superwinch, many of the parts are actually made here in the US and sent over to China for assembly. They send an engineer out to china to oversee quality control when their winches are being built, and to ensure they stay a high standard. Then they warrenty them in the states. (Superwinch is based out of Connecticut)

Now - the lower end brands are the off the shelf units this plant makes. A purchasing agent walks in - picks one off the shelf, then backs the truck up to the loading dock so to speak. The main reason these obscure labels are in business is price, and price alone. So you can imagine the quality of internals and design of winch they are picking out from the catalog. Set up a shell company for a couple of years, land a couple of big distribution channels in the states like Cosco etc, and profit during the initial opportunity - then dissolve the company and walk away with money in your pocket. Warrenty issues, and an 800 tech line that routes to a never answered voice mail don't have to be honored or answered.

Moral of the story - The low end, really is the low end...... You will use your winch more than you think. There are good low end winches coming out of China - But they are American designed and quality control is monitored closely. They are built for companies that plan on being around for a while - so they have a vested interest in doing it right no matter where it is made.

From what I understand the Tabor is one of the winches Warn buy's from the Chineese manufacturer - and it's closer to one of the off the shelf units with a couple of upgraded pieces.

OK -- I'm doing my part to show some informartion on the subject. So far the data is pretty supportive to what I have mentioned so far.

To go to the Tmaxtools website - you are prompted to load the Chinnees Windows Language Pack.

When you do get to the website - All the header bar shows Hangzhou industries.

If you look at the contact information - The contact info is in China.

Look up who Owns the website and you get ---

Domain Name: TMAXTOOLS.COM
Registrar: HICHINA WEB SOLUTIONS (HONG KONG) LIMITED
Whois Server: grs.hichina.com
Referral URL: http://whois.hichina.com
Name Server: DNS8.HICHINA.COM
Name Server: DNS7.HICHINA.COM
Status: ACTIVE
EPP Status: ok
Updated Date: 03-Aug-2005
Creation Date: 11-Sep-2000
Expiration Date: 11-Sep-2007


Now, I'm all for data showing the opposite, that is not Tmax Marketing based.... But please don't say I have not shown data to help support what I have mentioned.

Everyone knows we(ROKMEN) are a Warehouse Distributor for Superwinch. It does make us biased to what we sell. However; it also makes us educated in our choice of winches we prefer to run ouselves and sell to customers."


I don't want you to think that I am bashing the cheaper winches.......I am not. I believe they have gained a solid following and will most likely be OK for people. I posted this for information only that might help someone trying to decide whether to buy one of these winches and make an informed choice.

If you want to read the whole discussion I quoted from above, it is located here:

http://www.rubiconownersforum.com/ph...inches&start=0

You have to register to view it, but there is some good info to help you make a good decision for your situation.
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Old 11-05-2007, 07:02 PM   #7
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thats a great article, thanks hutchman. after researching a few forums, articles, etc. i think im going to go with the WARN M8000. they are 569 in quadratec so thats a good deal in my book.(plus the lifetime warranty sold me too). now about mounting it, i have the tube bumper with the cutout, i shouldnt have any problems with fitting it in there right?
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thats up to you. i got a mile marker 8000 and it also is not the fastest line speed. but very cheap. bought it for $380. warn is just way over priced. your just paying for the name, im sure you know that. check into it

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