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Old 11-30-2010, 01:31 PM   #1
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I have no steering.. Looking for advice on getting some

I have no steering components whatsoever.

Can people recommend what I should look for? I have been told to look for an old Chevy setup but I don't know what years, models, etc.

Any advice? I need to keep my eyes open for things as I go along. I am going to try really hard to build this Jeep up using recycled parts except for the essentials, batteries, tires, etc.

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shaft/box/wheel/linkage... none of it at all?

'72 CJ5 on profile?

and do you have (or want) any capacity to fabricate or seriously modify parts
(angle grinder, die grinders, welder...)? with some tools, almost any upper half you like could be made to fit. You could cherry pick a nice tilt column in a color to match or whatever and mod it to work.

Bottom half, I personally would mess with transplanting from anything but another jeep, and even then I'd probably take it to a shop to have em check it out after I put it in. Bottom steering is one of those things that can get ugly.

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Hey ther. Yep, the 72 on the profile.

It has NO steering components at all, box, shaft, wheel...

I just want to do this once. I have friends with the tools and the knowledge, but I can't expect them to do everything for me and they differ on types of steering columns to look for.

I thiink I will look for a chevy set up if I go with the chev drive train. Might make things easier?
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steering attaches at the body and frame, and not to the drivetrain at all. gearbox, shafts, rag joint, would be easier if it was jeep, international, AMC, military, stuff like that (they tend to be simple), but it wouldn't be hard to make any type work really.

For the column, I''d wander around a junkyard and shop around for somethin you like... tilt, controls, ignition, steering lock, almost any steering column could be made to work in a CJ, there's tons of room and it's all just sheet metal

Steering column and wheel is part of the passenger compartment, and is "cosmetic", so I'd look for what suits your tastes, get it mounted and situated, and then you'll have a nice column how you like it and some measurements to use when lookin for stuff to fill in the blanks

Do you at least got the tie rod still? I might fab up my own drag link if I was feelin brave, but a shade tree tie rod is a wicked bad idea.
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You know, I am not sure if it is there yet. It hasn't come off the trailer. But I will go look!
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If the straight bar that goes across in front of my front axle is the tie rod then yes, I still have that.

In thispicture there is a black bar running across in front of the axle, is that the tie rod?

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yep. the two diagonals above it are drag link (top) and track link/bar on bottom.

If you have a drag link it'll be tied up to something or flopping around off the tire, but the track rod will be connected on both ends if ya got it.
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Ican see where the linkage goes on the end of the tie rod, passenger side ther eis a whole in it.

That's all I have in the way of steering.

And while I was out there moving things around I discovered the body is not fastened securely to the frame, lol.

ooooh boy am I in for a project.
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lol, had my '71 for 8 years and still ain't finished "fixing" stuff on it
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Hehe. I just took it off the trailer, so I guess it is officially home.

The body moves from side to side when I pushed on the roll cage, haha!
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Ok, My friend gave me a steering column today. It appears to have come out of a Thunderbird. So, do I need to look for anything in particular in the way of a steering box and the associated linkages?

What are the benefits of going with PS as opposed to manual?
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Hehe. I just took it off the trailer, so I guess it is officially home.

The body moves from side to side when I pushed on the roll cage, haha!
mine's not attached all that well at the moment I been playin around with trying to use soft body lift components, as a sort of science experiment sorta deal rubber body mounts are absolutely awesome, but they aren't holding up all that well, and one of em finally gave out, so I gotta figure something else out or give it up and get some poly's

As for the power steering... My DJ has full up manual everything, and I've never even considered adding power steering at all. it gets a little rough off road sometimes, and even with a steering dampener there's been times off road when it's tried to rip my arm off, but overall it isn't that bad at all. If you can swing it I'd say go for it, especially if you're going to off road it a lot, but if you can't, with such a narrow footprint it's not a big deal.

Power brakes however... MAN do I wish I had power brakes...

I'd mount that column the way you want it first thing, and then measure from the old gearbox mount point to the output shaft of the column, so you have a minimum length to look for. Once you have a length it'll be a ton easier to look around and make a call on the upper guts. It's really easy to shorten the upper steering linkage at the rag joint, so too long isn't a big deal
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Old 12-02-2010, 08:16 AM   #13
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Well, I don't have power steering in my Firebird either and that has never bothered me too much. Once I get it mounted I will start looking at what to do next. I have a lot of work to do before I start even that it looks like, hehe.
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Old 12-02-2010, 12:34 PM   #14
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mine's always been more of an enjoyable hobby than work it's not really "oh what do I need to do to it now" it's always "what can I do to it this time" having it as a non- daily driver helps a lot.
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Look into this. 1972-1975 are pretty much the same. This is the 1974 Tech. service manual that will help you ALOT...section 11 is all the steering components. There was an option of power steering, but was not that popular. My 1972 is manual with all the components in section 11, and I wheel with "armstrong" steering with no problems...

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Sweet, thanks! I am sure that will help a lot.
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When I built my 81 CJ7, I used a tilt steering column from a 1988 Jeep Cherokee. It is a bolt in deal. I used the original power steering gear box, but if you look in the junk yard, almost any jeep or chevy with a steering box with a large 76 cast into it is good. There is no reason to "upgrade" since this box is very tough already. I just had to take the original linkages between the steering columns and the steering boxs and make one linkage from the two. so grab that with the steering column if you want to go that route. I built a high steering system with flat top knuckles on my dana 44 front axle, and made a 1-1/4 diameter SOLID chrome molly tie rod and steering rod. with this steering column, you can just plug your electricals right in if I remember correctly. turn signals and horn work, and you could use the bright dim switch too if you wanted to.
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If your jeep is a 1972, like mine, nothing is going to bolt right in. Fabbing is a must. Our jeeps used the old tube steering column which is anchored in the floor, dash, and firewall by clamps. Here is a pic, not that good, but this is what your dash would be kinda configured like, if it is 1972. [IMG][/IMG][IMG][/IMG]
Just found a better detailed dash pic, but no steering tube, wheel, or turn signal unit. This is the type of dash you should have if it is 1972-1975.
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Mine would look like that if the floor and dash werent missing....
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Here is a link to my photobucket site with some pics of the jeep and vaious parts I unloaded from it today...

1972 Jeep CJ5 pictures by jdrakes - Photobucket
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Old 12-04-2010, 10:49 AM   #21
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Thanks for those pictures. I had no idea what my dash was supposed to look like.
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Whatever you do, don't lose the latches on the windshield. They are getting hard to find, and that looks to be a good windshield frame. They are different than the 1976-1983 cj5s.



Original windshield frames are way heavier than aftermarket. That looks like it may be an original, or 1971 and earlier, as there are the bracket holes for the wipers when they were mounted on the top, rather than on the bottom. Put that somewhere dry so it doesn't rust...you won't find a nice heavy one, trust me....
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That thing is heavy, that's for sure. I was surprised when I lifted it out of the CJ.

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