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Old 07-22-2012, 12:33 PM   #1
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Hey guys, I saw a post similar to this a few weeks ago but I could find it again, and it didn't fully answer my question. I'm kickin around putting the WW2 style decals on my jeep, but I dot know how to decode the hood decal. I know it ends in the year and model type but the first half of numbers confuses me, how do I read them so I can get them right for my jeep (an 09 JK)

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It depends on what time period you are shooting for. I went with ~1941 so I mine go like this:

As for the numbers W-2009015-S, this is where I had fun doing the research:

W = War Department
20 = Reconnaissance Jeeps & Trucks
09015 = I want with the last 5 digits of my VIN (It was assigned by the military unit)
S = Suppressed for radio


I posted this in another thread, hope it helps:

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Sorry for the long post but I've been geting allot of PMs lately asking about where I goy my stars so I decided to post some pics and links.

The stars were bought as a set online. I am afraid I can't remember the exact seller (some place in California) but if you Google "Military Jeep Decals" and go to images and you will see allot of choices (Most of them on E-bay). The ones I got came as a set that included:
20" x 20" Star w/ Circle (x1)
16" x 16" Star w/ Circle (x2)
6" x 6" Star w/ Circle (x2)
7" x 5.75" USMC (x2)
13.5" x 5.75" U.S. ARMY (x2)
4" x 1.5" USMC (x2)
8" x 1.5" U.S. ARMY (x2)


I researched the markings several places and tried to be as authentic as possible:
http://www.stugiii.com/images/US_Vehicle_Markings.pdf
WWII Unit Identification Markings for U.S. Military Vehicles, Jeep and Truck Bumper Markings (LoneSentry.com)
U.S. Military Vehicles: Markings
I went with the circle around the star because that was pre/early WWII
The bumper numbers are authentic for a Jeep in the 7th Troop Carrier Squadron of the US Army Air Corps.

The registration numbers on the hood were made by a place here in town but I am sure there are several on-line places that would make them.

I liked the flag on BlackOpsJeep's rig so I trashed my old ones and went with ones from a place here in good ol' Arizona called Military Graphics (I think that's where JimG said he got his AF Stars too)

I had a hard time with the decals on my powder coated bumpers so I made stencils and painted them on.

It's still a work in progress, I have a few more ideas I may or may not go with.

I personally love the look, hope this helps for anyone wanting to do the same.
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Ghost,

You got some good information there but remember that the numbers on the hood changed once the vehicle got in the field. For instance, from the factory, the stencils were in a color that was designated "Combat Blue/Gray". In all my years of fooling with, fixing up, repairing, and using WWII jeeps in the field... I have never seen this color on any stencil until quite recently. This color is so hard to see that up close, it is almost impossible to read. It is truly that camouflaged against the WWII olive drab paint. I have seen stencils in "baby blue" that were supposed to mimic this color, but it doesn't come close (at least not to the original color). Then there is the white numbers we see so prevalently on U.S. Army vehicles. Why this was done was probably because of Sergeants who had to keep them going in the field. They got tired of straining their eyes so it went to white, making it easier for them to see it (and of course, the enemy as well...)

The other point is, what year do you want to go with? As "beastmaster" said, he went with 1941. Later in the war, the number designations changed on the hood, as seen in the WWII Ford Jeep in my signature. If you are doing Marine, the stenciling would then be in yellow paint for most of the war.

Research is great... it is a fantastic way to learn what was going on. I tend to research the photographic record because it tends to show a more consistent image of what was going on and what was practiced in the field, unless you were going for a "fresh from the factory" look for your jeep.

Take care and please post some photos to show us what you did.
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Thanks for all the info! Ill defiantly throw those pics up once I get my mission accomplished. 1SAS, you said you've worked on the old WW2 jeeps. I plan on picking one up some day down the line do you know of any good places to find them, all my searches have come up a bit short.
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You can find them on the internet BUT THEY GO FAST!! The best thing to do, if you have the money, is to make one yourself. All the parts are available brand new... body, frames, etc. The only parts that aren't available "brand new" are the cast iron parts... such as the engine, transmission, transfer case and axles... BUT these parts can still be bought in rebuilt condition. The complete body and frame will cost you around $5,500. That was the price at the Military Vehicle Preservation Association's (MVPA) last conference in Huntsville, AL this past June... A fully restored WWII jeep goes for $15,000-25,000 depending on how well it was restored. Jeeps are still turning up in barns all across our country. Sometimes they are in great shape, sometimes they are so rusted it isn't worth the effort. A buddy of mine found one years ago in a barn, it was incredible! It was totally together, all parts present and no rust. When he changed the oil and gasoline it her, sanding the contacts, it started right up AFTER SITTING UP FOR 50 YEARS! That was awesome.

If you want to see a whole bunch of photos of WWII jeeps, in action or restored, look up my thread on "WWII Jeep restoration and usage" by 1SAS. I think you will like it.

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As a young Airman I was able to get hold of an M38A1 chasis and engine. I was able to buy a body but couldn't afford to continue. I've kicked myself many times for not putting into storage until I had the money to fix 'er up.
It's been my wish for many years to rebuild a military Jeep. For now I'll just have to settle for a "wannabe" done up as a tribute to those pieces of history.

My hat's off to you 1SAS!
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Beastmaster,

Thanks for the kind words. They mean a lot.

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Beastmaster, your Jeep is awesome. In doing research on military vehicle markings I thought I read the hood numbers on Jeeps (and recon vehicles) always began with 20 followed by a five or six digit id number. Did I read wrong?
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Beastmaster, your Jeep is awesome. In doing research on military vehicle markings I thought I read the hood numbers on Jeeps (and recon vehicles) always began with 20 followed by a five or six digit id number. Did I read wrong?
Holy Crap!

As mentioned before, I am by no means an expert in military vehicle markings. When I decided to turn my Jeep into a tribute to the US Army Air Corps, I thorough I was being pretty through. As I read your post, I was thinking "well, let me look back at some of the references I listed above and prove Flipto wrong". When I looked in http://www.stugiii.com/images/US_Vehicle_Markings.pdf I thought I'd $hit a Brick! You're right, all this time (well, since I put them on 8 months ago) I had transposed the first 2 numbers
I don't know if that is what I had told my local decal maker to do or if it was their mistake. Either way, I think I'll just keep them that way to prove my signature line in the Wrangler Forum is true.
Here I thought I was being meticulous all the way down to the tire pressure markings inside the wheel well (they located them above the fender in later years) and the words "Tie Down" above my clevises (used to identify places to put chains for transport)

Thank you Flipto for noticing my error, I'll be chuckling over it for some time to come (or until it drives me crazy and I have it fixed).
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I have just ordered my 2013 in Commando, and I am also planning on doing this. I live in Canada, and found this site with useful info for Canadian WWII markings.

Markings on military vehicles
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Beastmaster, only you (and a few others who read this forum) know the numbers are transposed. It's kinda of like making a mistake when hanging wallpaper - you know it's there but 99% of those looking at the wallpaper will never see it unless you point it out! I am working on hood numbers for my '07 and also trying to get bumper numbers made. I contacted an outfit in MA with the dimensions of my bumper (Olympic 4x4 tube) but the guy never emailed back. Thought it would be nice if he at least said he couldn't make them.
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Leave it Beastmaster, looks great!
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To come clean I noticed they were transposed but never thought to say anything. I figured the problem had been corrected or you did it to be original (in hien site the later is a bit dumb of me to think given the detail of your research). But at any rate I'm not gonna tell anyone
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My Dad was in the USAAC - 487 Bomb Squad (H) - as a Flight Surgeon. I'm trying to find a place to make up decals of the 487th, going just behind my front tires. Then, the large broken circle/star will go on my doors. Ike had them *break* the circle, to readily ID the German's that had commandeered the US vehicles... or at least make them look twice. It worked for a while as hoped. The commandeered vehicles, would set up blockades at bridges, allow our troops onto the bridge, then blow them up.
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My Dad was in the USAAC - 487 Bomb Squad (H) - as a Flight Surgeon. I'm trying to find a place to make up decals of the 487th, going just behind my front tires. Then, the large broken circle/star will go on my doors. Ike had them *break* the circle, to readily ID the German's that had commandeered the US vehicles... or at least make them look twice. It worked for a while as hoped. The commandeered vehicles, would set up blockades at bridges, allow our troops onto the bridge, then blow them up.
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Hey thanks GonzoBobH. I (silly me) didn't think of him. I sent an email last night, and got a response within .5 an hour! I've bought other decals from him - but it's been a while, and they weren't custom.
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Beastmaster, only you (and a few others who read this forum) know the numbers are transposed. It's kinda of like making a mistake when hanging wallpaper - you know it's there but 99% of those looking at the wallpaper will never see it unless you point it out! I am working on hood numbers for my '07 and also trying to get bumper numbers made. I contacted an outfit in MA with the dimensions of my bumper (Olympic 4x4 tube) but the guy never emailed back. Thought it would be nice if he at least said he couldn't make them.
Thanks for pointing out my error Flipto but that wallpaper is driving me crazy.

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To come clean I noticed they were transposed but never thought to say anything. I figured the problem had been corrected or you did it to be original (in hien site the later is a bit dumb of me to think given the detail of your research). But at any rate I'm not gonna tell anyone
Ya Ghost, I hear what you are saying, I'm not too proud to admit my mistake.

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Leave it Beastmaster, looks great!
Thanks, Shorewangler but I had to change them, they were becoming a burr under my saddle to use a southwest term.

Anyway, I have upgraded my hood decals with a more period authentic font (they now match the "bumper numbers" as well as fixing my typo.
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Wish this would look right on the Steel Blue I have. I havent really come up with any sort of theme for my JK, Other than blue and black (other than the wheels, for now)
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Wish this would look right on the Steel Blue I have. I havent really come up with any sort of theme for my JK, Other than blue and black (other than the wheels, for now)
You can tell I am a fan of military themed Jeeps. There is a place here in good ol' Arizona called Military graphics that has lots of um . . .

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You can get markings in black or white and some are in gray.



Also, Navy and Air Force Jeeps had the Army type marking for a while too.


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You can tell I am a fan of military themed Jeeps. There is a place here in good ol' Arizona called Military graphics that has lots of um . . .

Military Graphics

You can get markings in black or white and some are in gray.



Also, Navy and Air Force Jeeps had the Army type marking for a while too.


HHHmmm, didnt think about that, I really like the star you pictured. My dad and mom are ex Air Force, as is alot of my family, could look pretty good in black decals.
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I got a set of military invasion stars from the Decal Store (1 21", 2 16", 2 6" and 2 different size "U.S. Army"). Right now the 21" is on my hood and a 6" on the right rear -opposite the gas filler on the drivers side. Just received a set of hood numbers from Military Stencils.com (they will do any set of numbers in various sizes and have a bunch of other military decals and stencils). I went with 20196869-S , which is the Jeep/Recon vehicle id followed by the years I was in VietNam. Thanks to Issac I haven't had a chance to get the hood numbers since my JK lives out of doors! Also got some POW decals that will go in place of the Sahara/Unlimited (which already have been removed). My JK is silver with black stars and numbers.
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It depends on what time period you are shooting for. I went with ~1941 so I mine go like this:

As for the numbers W-0209015-S, this is where I had fun doing the research:

W = War Department
02 = Reconnaissance Jeeps & Trucks
09015 = I want with the last 5 digits of my VIN (It was assigned by the military unit)
S = Suppressed for radio


I posted this in another thread, hope it helps:
Sorry to bring this old thread back up but Beastmaster on the first link you posted it states "Reconnaissance Trucks & Jeeps 20" and "Jeeps always had the prefix 20, which stood for ‘reconnaissance’ followed by the vehicle's registration number. For the first 99,999 jeeps this was a 5 digit number; later jeeps had 6 digits." The was the stugii.com webpage. Just wondering if you saw 02 on other pages and this one was just wrong.
Thinking of putting it on my Jeep and wanted to make sure I get it right. Thanks
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My Dad was in the USAAC - 487 Bomb Squad (H) - as a Flight Surgeon. I'm trying to find a place to make up decals of the 487th, going just behind my front tires. Then, the large broken circle/star will go on my doors. Ike had them *break* the circle, to readily ID the German's that had commandeered the US vehicles... or at least make them look twice. It worked for a while as hoped. The commandeered vehicles, would set up blockades at bridges, allow our troops onto the bridge, then blow them up.
My grandfather was a pilot in the 305th of The Mighty Eighth. I have a T-shirt iron on for the CAN DO squad (and a lot of other things I inherited) that I am looking to get made into a decal for the Jeep. Along with the Triangle G. Been trying to find what the nose art was on his B-17, to put on the Jeep or my motorcycle. Not great luck, but is great fun to research it!

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Sorry to bring this old thread back up but Beastmaster on the first link you posted it states "Reconnaissance Trucks & Jeeps 20" and "Jeeps always had the prefix 20, which stood for ‘reconnaissance’ followed by the vehicle's registration number. For the first 99,999 jeeps this was a 5 digit number; later jeeps had 6 digits." The was the stugii.com webpage. Just wondering if you saw 02 on other pages and this one was just wrong.
Thinking of putting it on my Jeep and wanted to make sure I get it right. Thanks
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Ya, Flipto pointed out my error in post #8 that I had transposed the numers. I fixed it in post #17

Edit: I went back and changed my origional post so it now says "20" to avoid confusion in the future.
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Thanks for pointing out my error Flipto but that wallpaper is driving me crazy.



Ya Ghost, I hear what you are saying, I'm not too proud to admit my mistake.



Thanks, Shorewangler but I had to change them, they were becoming a burr under my saddle to use a southwest term.

Anyway, I have upgraded my hood decals with a more period authentic font (they now match the "bumper numbers" as well as fixing my typo.
Getting ready to finally get the decals on on the jeep, decided to hold off until winter was on its way out so the first thing that the decals saw wasn't salt. Its probably going to happen sometime in the next two months, haven't decided how far into spring I'll be able to wait. I'll be sure to throw up the pics.

This does bring up a good question though, Beastmaster, I'm glad to see you were able to fix your decals they look great! I did realize (while going to order my numbers) I have no idea what size to use, so as yours looks awesome, what inch size did you go with? If you don't mind me asking.

Hoping you see this I know its an old thread!
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3" was the required standard (space permitting) is how it is listed in the manual and that's what I went with too.
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Ya, Flipto pointed out my error in post #8 that I had transposed the numers. I fixed it in post #17

Edit: I went back and changed my origional post so it now says "20" to avoid confusion in the future.
See that now sorry. I read it just didn't click. Your Jeep looks great.
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My grandfather was a pilot in the 305th of The Mighty Eighth. I have a T-shirt iron on for the CAN DO squad (and a lot of other things I inherited) that I am looking to get made into a decal for the Jeep. Along with the Triangle G. Been trying to find what the nose art was on his B-17, to put on the Jeep or my motorcycle. Not great luck, but is great fun to research it!

If you could find the tail number of his plane, you might be able to look it up that way
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