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Old 02-07-2012, 11:55 AM   #31
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:05 PM   #32
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Most members that do not leave the wire are not permitted to use them most of the time.
Yes, I suppose it depends a lot about where/who you are. Mind you it's been close to a decade for me, but I don't remember seeing anybody with the subdued patches. (That doesn't mean they didn't exist, only that I don't remember seeing them). I spent my fair share of time outside the wire, and I can't even say I saw them on the SF and 82d Abn guys I was supporting. (Though the SF guys often didn't have ANYTHING on their uniforms).

But back to the OP's main subject..... YES, I agree with you that the black and white depiction of the flag is appropriate.

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Old 02-07-2012, 02:24 PM   #33
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As long as you are not trying to represent yourself as something that you are not, then I think any expression of pride in your country and your grandfather's service is better than OK - it's outstanding. Go for it. We should all remember the veterans in our lives.

I think you might raise some hackles if you put your grandfather's stripes on the jeep without making it clear that you are not claiming any status that you haven't earned.
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:28 PM   #34
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Or you could put "In memory of (rank) (name)" somewhere.
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:34 PM   #35
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I was reading another thread and it looks like some people take issue with the black/white design of the flag - that it's not showing our colors. I personally like the black/white because, to me, it's a nice blend of the US flag and POW/MIA flag. So, in my use, the black/white flag would be representing my grandfather's years as a POW.
I have patches issued by the us military with black flags, they were for tactical use but hey they do it, why can't you
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:20 PM   #36
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An exceptional tribute for and American Hero!
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Here's the first draft of what I'm thinking. Pretty self explanatory, I think. To me, it doesn't look like I'm trying to represent myself as him. Let me know if you find otherwise. The ADBC is the organization American Defenders of Bataan and Corregidor of which my Grandfather was a lifetime member (member #1605). The ADBC disbanded recently (most of their members have passed on at this point) but, the Descendants Group has taken up their mission.
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Sounds like a fitting tribute.
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Old 02-08-2012, 10:32 AM   #39
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Here's the first draft of what I'm thinking.
Looks awesome!!! I say "go for it"!!!
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Old 02-08-2012, 11:13 AM   #40
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Once again you have my approval. I see nothing wrong with the subdued flag. In Vietnam I don't recall any flags on our fatigues, just name, rank, and unit, all that was subdued. You can be very proud of your Grandfather, as I'm sure he was of you.
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I am in the Army in Afghanistan as I type this sitting in the TOC. The IR(subdued) flags are worn by everyone down here now to include all branches and MOS's or job's. I think what you are doing is a really cool thing, and I couldn't approve more.
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Old 02-08-2012, 08:42 PM   #42
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Charlie,

I think it is great that you want to do a memorial to the hero you knew. If anyone has a problem with it THAT IS THERE PROBLEM... not yours. If they don't understand, who cares.

I used to do a lot of WWII reenacting. I did British 1SAS ( 1st Special Air Service) and we did a lot of military events and veterans events. We just did it for the military and veterans. It was our way of thanking them. Every now and then, someone would come up and say, "You know, I know some people who wouldn't appreciate what you guys are doing or wearing." It was implied that the speaker had some experience with the British SAS or was part of that unit. Details were always sketchy and it was more of a "in your face" kind of thing. Well, then something funny happened.

Real British SAS veterans started looking us up. Were they pissed? In no way. They were so proud of our impression and how authentic we were to it that they thanked us and told their mates who also looked us up. They sought us out and (this is kind of funny) talked to our opponents in the field... the kraut reenactors. Then they came up to us and said, "I am glad you guys are keeping up a proud tradition of the Regiment." We didn't understand (at first) what they were talking about and then it was said, "We asked the Germans who were their worst enemy. They all answered, 'The SAS.'" Then they introduced themselves as current SAS veterans and thanked us. They couldn't believe U.S. citizens knew who the SAS were (outside of Special Forces and Special Ops), and much less researched their WWII brethren and did the impression right.

So Charlie, my point is if someone has a problem ITS THEIR PROBLEM. Not yours. What you want to do is awesome and it doesn't matter what any reject has to say about it. You aren't answerable to them. You are only answerable to your own conscience and to God. You are not pretending to be part of that unit. You are honoring a hero, and that is awesome!! Oh, on a side note, you should see the WWII veterans and Korean War veterans that tear up whenever we drive around in our uniforms in WWII jeeps. They just can't believe that people would honor them that way.

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First of all, thank you all for your input. Especially the current and retired veterans - it means a lot to me to have your approval of this sort of thing. I can't stress that enough. Oftentimes, people like me get accused of not caring about our military (I tend to lean a bit left), but nothing could be further from the truth. And many of your responses really touched me.

So, here is what the finished product looks like. I had a lot of very good advice and input from Don at Pixel Decals. He was very helpful and very patient for putting up with me and my questions and customizing. Hat's off to him.

I love, love, love the way the blue of the Winter Chill color sparkles through the stars and stripes up close. I took off the Wrangler stickers (it was too busy). I want to relocate the Trail Rated badge.

I'm VERY pleased with it and can't wait to show it off on (and off) the road.
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Charlie, I think what you've done is teriffic and I'm sure your Grandfather would be (IS!) proud. As a 15-year vet I'd be honored to have my Granddaughter honor me in such a manner, although it's hard to imagine anyone more worthy than your Grandad. He must have been an amazing guy and an honorable member of the Greatest Generation. The Jeep looks great!! Drive it proudly and in good health.
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Charlie, I think what you've done is teriffic and I'm sure your Grandfather would be (IS!) proud. As a 15-year vet I'd be honored to have my Granddaughter honor me in such a manner, although it's hard to imagine anyone more worthy than your Grandad. He must have been an amazing guy and an honorable member of the Greatest Generation. The Jeep looks great!! Drive it proudly and in good health.
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Old 12-01-2012, 08:17 PM   #47
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A great tribute and it looks perfect.
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Awesome job Charlie.
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That look great. The only thing wrong with displaying medal etc is 'Stolen Valor' think John Kerry. Your display is very patriotic and a tribute to your Grandfather.
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Dang just read this and now my eyes are leaking. I'm an old Nam Vet. Anyone has a problem with you just post up his name and address and we can talk to him for you. And I bet your Grandpa has a tear in his eye right now too.
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That look great. The only thing wrong with displaying medal etc is 'Stolen Valor' think John Kerry. Your display is very patriotic and a tribute to your Grandfather.
This is a very good point.

I believe that as long as it is displayed as a tribute, there should not be any hassles. Where you get into trouble is when you try claiming them as your own when you didn't earn them.

I saw another thread on the forum where the OP displayed his Grandfathers WWII campain ribbons along with his [Grandfather's] name. I thought it was tastefully done.
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I have had them displayed for a while now and I'm happy to report that every now and then, I pull up next to a Veteran (identified by a license plate or sticker) at a stop light and the flag catches their eye. They stare at it for a few seconds (deciphering what it means, presumably). Then, their eyes turn to me and they give me a nice little head nod. Gives me chills every time it happens.

Thank you all for your kind words. Warms my heart.
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That look great. The only thing wrong with displaying medal etc is 'Stolen Valor' think John Kerry. Your display is very patriotic and a tribute to your Grandfather.
And that is exactly why I asked before doing anything. I would NEVER make a false claim like that and I wouldn't want to accidentally do so either. I can think of nothing more insulting to our Military, past and present.
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Old 12-02-2012, 07:45 AM   #54
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Just found this thread. I'm retired USAF/ANG, 24 years. I am old school and don't speak much of my past. I am proud of everything I have done in my service and my only regret is that I didn't stay in longer. It's been many years since I retired. Over 13 years now. Not a day goes by that I don't think about the many men and women I served with.

I think what you have done here truly honors your Grandfather. I am sure he is proud of you as you are of him.

You get a "Well Done" from me!

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It's been my experience that most Vets who have actually seen combat don't talk about it, especially to family or non-military(civilians). As a vet myself i like your idea about commemorating him, and no doubt that our Jeeps have a stellar military history.
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If I were you, I would Honor your Grandpa any way you want. and then get in anyones face if they say anything bad about what you have done.

This would be an honor to him. He sounded like a tough old bird who would be proud of you for putting his colors on your jeep. I bet he rode in a few.

Go girl, do it.

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Yes, commanders decision and also depends on your MOS/AFSC/ "job".

Most members that do not leave the wire are not permitted to use them most of the time.

"I don't want shiny colors on me when I don't want seen".

lol I found that funny ^

Im a vet and I honestly don't think that's a bad thing at all. Actually great how pridefull you are of your grandfather.

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It's been my experience that most Vets who have actually seen combat don't talk about it, especially to family or non-military(civilians). As a vet myself i like your idea about commemorating him, and no doubt that our Jeeps have a stellar military history.

I agree with what you are saying I only talk about things with my brothers I served with overseas,

even growing up my uncle is a nam vet "marine" and I never heard of him speaking of anything he has seen or done even to this day we have talked about it 2 or 3 times but other than that he keeps it to himself or will only chat with his brothers he served with
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On anything that moves, the field should be to the front as if it is going into battle (think running with a flag on a flag pole).
Exactly correct. The "forwards" flag would go on the driver side and the "backwards" flag on the passenger side.
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