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Old 11-14-2013, 06:14 AM   #61
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The new Side rack is cut, folded and powder coated....now all I have to do is assemble and install it. Maybe pictures tomorrow.

An early sneak peak at a possible folding variation for the rear door



I have been working on the J8 style hood scoop, I have the measurements down...so its just a matter of time.

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Any chance that's gonna be a no-drill folding table for the rear door?

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Sorry....no.

I am pretty particular about using the factory drilled holes whenever I can. Unfortunately, there is no way to securely mount anything on the door without drilling.

BTW: If anyone has a junk rear door out there, I'd like to see some pictures of the inside with the skin removed...just for fun.

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Sarge was a prototype and was taken around to different shows to gauge interest. That's why it's different from the production J8's in more than a few ways.
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Sorry....no.

I am pretty particular about using the factory drilled holes whenever I can. Unfortunately, there is no way to securely mount anything on the door without drilling.

BTW: If anyone has a junk rear door out there, I'd like to see some pictures of the inside with the skin removed...just for fun.

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There is a company that makes a no drill drop down table. I can't remember who though, but the way it mounts is pretty slick.

Edit: found it. http://outbackadventureproducts.com/tag/jk-table/
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There is a company that makes a no drill drop down table. I can't remember who though, but the way it mounts is pretty slick.

Edit: found it. JK table :: Outback Adventure Products

You guys could ask Omar, how or if, he likes his Trailgater table in the following thread.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/wha...ml#post3632248


Here's one of his videos of the folding Trailgater table.

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There is a company that makes a no drill drop down table. I can't remember who though, but the way it mounts is pretty slick.

Edit: found it. JK table :: Outback Adventure Products
I like that table a lot. It is pricy But a lot of overland jeeps use them.
I'm wishing it had a molle system tho to hang some stuff.
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Old 11-14-2013, 01:31 PM   #68
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That's a pretty nice installation process. I like the no drill method

I am not sure that I would trust the weight rating though. I would have to test that myself to believe it.

Gives me some ideas!

Thanks,

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Sorry....no.

I am pretty particular about using the factory drilled holes whenever I can. Unfortunately, there is no way to securely mount anything on the door without drilling.

BTW: If anyone has a junk rear door out there, I'd like to see some pictures of the inside with the skin removed...just for fun.

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Oh yeah....eating my words

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Ok, been brainstorming on the snorkel. Use a Donaldson Top-Spin pre-filter as the part that sticks through the hood. Use a water trap and rubber valve in the box below before it gets to the main filter. I think that would look awesome having a round snorkel right above the filter box! At first I was thinking to make a rubber seal that was fixed to the hood to sit on the box, but the more I think about it that 's not needed. Just trim the hole with something that looks good and roll!
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Tell you what....if I end up making more than one of these. You do the DIY write-up, I will send you a scoop for free.

PM me sometime and we can work out the details.

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Something like this, only keeping it as low as possible:
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Update:

1) Well back to the drawing board on the rear door folding rack...sort of. Now working on a no drill option, so a complete redesign of the back plate is necessary.

Expect some renderings in about a week.

2) Fitting a scoop to the hood is going slow...on prototype #4. I'm not even going to post pictures until it gets closer to a decent fit.

3) Thinking about the passenger cargo side....I am very happy with the way that the newly modified drivers side went, I am kind of contemplating something similar for the passenger side.



The main issue lies with a rearward bottom mount....I could probably get into the rear cargo hook area but would likely loose access to the powerpoint....Hmmmmm



Any brilliant ideas from the forum collective?

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Update: 1) Well back to the drawing board on the rear door folding rack...sort of. Now working on a no drill option, so a complete redesign of the back plate is necessary. Expect some renderings in about a week. 2) Fitting a scoop to the hood is going slow...on prototype #4. I'm not even going to post pictures until it gets closer to a decent fit. 3) Thinking about the passenger cargo side....I am very happy with the way that the newly modified drivers side went, I am kind of contemplating something similar for the passenger side. The main issue lies with a rearward bottom mount....I could probably get into the rear cargo hook area but would likely loose access to the powerpoint....Hmmmmm Any brilliant ideas from the forum collective? Doc
What about a J-shaped foot that uses the that tie-down screw in front of the 12v outlet? I'm guessing it would work with, or without, the sub. It would also not interfere with the 12v outlet.
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Do you think you will be able to have the same size "hole" on the passenger side cargo rack as you will on the drivers side?
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Do you think you will be able to have the same size "hole" on the passenger side cargo rack as you will on the drivers side?
Basically....the easy way would be to do a mirror image rack but with a different lower mount.

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Basically....the easy way would be to do a mirror image rack but with a different lower mount.

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That would be perfect. Remember... (13" x 6.8") minumum.

Gotta fit that (Group Size 31) battery in there.
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Gotcha! That's on my list

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Are you working on any new concepts for rifles?
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Are u on fb with this work
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I would love to find a useful place to put an M4....problem is that there is not much room in the JKU to pull one out of a scabbard. There is just not an easy solution.

I don't really like the overhead mounts....the best place that I can think of is at the base of the front of rear seat. It would be somewhat out of sight and could be drawn out the open rear door.

Another idea would be the on the driver side cargo area...there would be enough room for a 16 M4 / AR15 with a fully collapsed stock. Maybe something like a padded cradle that the pistol grip/magwell would drop through.



But then I would have to probably give up my uber cool side rack

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I don't really like the overhead mounts....the best place that I can think of is at the base of the front of rear seat. It would be somewhat out of sight and could be drawn out the open rear door.

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Yeah I second that. I swear I have seen a picture of one right where you were talking about and searched around for awhile yesterday for it actually but cant find it again. That seams like the right spot to me.
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Are u on fb with this work
There is a facebook page...but you will only see there items that will go to production.

This is more of a place to exercise ideas, to try new things....at least in the parameters of a military style build.

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Yeah I second that. I swear I have seen a picture of one right where you were talking about and searched around for awhile yesterday for it actually but cant find it again. That seams like the right spot to me.
It is pretty single purpose....might be able to fit a KSG, a FN PS90 or a 9mm carbine there. I have a Taurus CT9 coming next week....might be a good place for it



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How about a kel-tec or uts?

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How about a kel-tec or uts?

I've got a Kel Tec KSG....The Utas does nothing for me. To be completely honest, I prefer the simplicity of a good old 870 (of which, I own 3 )

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While this is a work of metal art...It does not work for me. This would be fine roaming around the streets of Baghdad as a contractor who needs instant access to a weapon. I would prefer something just a little more discrete.
I wonder where they sourced those rubber clamps though ???

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I sat down with my engineer with a hand scratched sketch of an M4 mount. It's amazing what he can make happen on 3D CAD.

I think that I can squeeze a 16 inch barrel M4 on the driver side cargo area...I'll have to choose between that and my JK MOLLE rack though.

Pictures soon.

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I am not sure many of you will be able to visualize this until it is in real form. Just think of a fully collapsed AR15 Carbine or M4 sitting in the cradle along the driver side "wheel well".

I should have the real thing in about 1 week.



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Just a couple of thoughts on the horizontal fore/aft rack from a guy who has seen a lot of wrecked police vehicles.

#1, severe rear end collision and back seat passengers and the seat puncture potential. Any rear ending with the potential to force the tailgate inward is going to force the rifle and rack forward, into the rear seatback.

#2, Firearms safety rule #1, "Never point the muzzle at anything you aren't willing to destroy". The bore line of the mount is aiming through two seats, passenger and driver. In our vehicles we carry in what is known as a "cruiser carry" condition in which the rifle or shotgun is carried hammer down on an empty chamber, dust cover closed, and magazine inserted in the case of the M4. To employ only requires cyclying the charging handle. In this carry condition, no amount of kinetic energy can cause the weapon to fire as the chamber is empty and the hammer is already forward. Something to consider from a product liability standpoint as there will alway be that guy who stores in the rack, loaded, charged, and weapon on safe.
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Excellent points....I forget that not everybody has the same safety practices that I do in respect to loaded weapons.

I think both concerns could be addressed by tipping the weapon cradle so that the muzzle points downward. This position may also allow for a longer weapon to be placed as the current position is pretty tight.

In this position, a rear hit would not drive the object straight forward. The downside is that the position would not be as discrete.

This is the beauty of design exercises....I love the process of figuring these things out. The constructive input is really appreciated!

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