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Old 10-08-2013, 10:33 PM   #1
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Doctorsti 10A build

After 6 months of ownership and 5500 miles I'm well on my way to finalizing the big "stage 1" of the build process: Lift and wheels!

Here she is brand new


So far my first functional modification is the Fox ATS steering stabilizer. This is a really odd "first" mod, I admit, but I wanted to know on a complete stock vehicle that has not been messed with in any way, shape, or form if this provided any benefit. Solution: Benefit huge. I am happy to leave the review in the Fox ATS thread that it really smoothes out the general imprecise feeling of the JK steering that would kick up a hair in windy or uneven road surface situations. I know it's not addressing geometry or alignment issues developed due to lifting the Jeep or any other such shenanigans and I'm happy to know it actually does move the needle.

Current aesthetic or functional interior/exterior mods are:
Welcome Distributing grab handles front and back - best interior mod so far
Trucklite headlights - best exterior mod so far
Tuffy rear security deck and drivers under seat box
MORE dead pedal
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Spiderwebshade in red

Now for Phase 1:
Mopar Stage 3 lift kit
Teraflex hinged tire carrier with adjustable mount
It's the wheels and tires I am a bit stuck on.

I love the stock 10A rims and thought seriously about keeping them but mounting 35's and spacers. Realized that after selling parts and buying parts the difference in price from buying new AEV Savegres and 35's was only $385 dollars more then keeping the stock rims and buying spacers for 35's.

Fast forward to today when I ordered a set of 5 Toyo Open Country ATII in 35/1250R17 that I had planned on putting on black AEV Savegres I ordered tomorrow. Now I'm having second thoughts and thinking maybe I should go with 285/75R17 Toyo ATII's on the stock rims with spacers. 285/75R17 are 34's that are 11" wide so a half an inch shorter then the 34.5" (35's) diameter and one inch narrower then the 12" wide larger tires. They carry a faster speed rating, weigh 7lbs less each tires for 35lbs less overall vehicle weight along with the 8-9lbs less difference in rims accounting for an overall weight loss of 80lbs or so. The slightly larger diameter also obviously is less of an advantage with my 4.10 gearing as the Jeep will more easily turn the 285's.

I thought I was decided but I'm questioning again!

Stick with the plan 35/12.5 on Savegres
Change plan to stock rims with 285/75's

What do I doooooooo?

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One thing to note is I already placed the order for 35/1250R17's and new TPMS sensors so all that's left is to place the order for the wheels.

If I'm going to change my mind it will have to be tomorrow AM when I call the online tire retailer to either change my order or disregard my online message to see if changing my order is even possible after it's placed.

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You'll definitely love the quietness of the toyo at2. Can't wait for the lift. Congrats
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After 6 months of ownership and 5500 miles I'm well on my way to finalizing the big "stage 1" of the build process: Lift and wheels!

Here she is brand new



Now for Phase 1:
Mopar Stage 3 lift kit

Change plan to stock rims with 285/75's

What do I doooooooo?
Personally, I would go stock wheels and 34.x X 11.5" tires. I'm not big fan of wheel spacers. You're on the border with that 3" lift and needing 35's to fill the gaps. I've collected enough photos... 2.5" to 3.0" with the right 34's will work fine with factory wheels.

Good luck with the build.

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Not go with mopar stage 3 lift for a little more you can get bolt on coilovers.
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Old 10-09-2013, 06:20 AM   #6
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Not go with mopar stage 3 lift for a little more you can get bolt on coilovers.
How much more is "a little" more to install a coilover setup with supporting mods then $1800?
This thread wasn't intended to comment or hate in Mopar just because its Mopar. For 6 control arms, Fox competition reservoir shocks, speed bumps, and associated brackets and minor hardware you would have a hard time coming under 1800.
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stick with the 35s; with that lift you will regret getting a smaller tire. I had the same choice and went with the 35 and couldn't be happier. I also have the Mopar stage three lift. If you were going with the stage 2; I would have recommended the 34's.

You will regret not getting the 35's; but you will regret getting the 34's IMO


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Also, you will love the stage three lift, it is awesome.
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Old 10-09-2013, 06:52 AM   #8
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stick with the 35s; with that lift you will regret getting a smaller tire. I had the same choice and went with the 35 and couldn't be happier. I also have the Mopar stage three lift. If you were going with the stage 2; I would have recommended the 34's.

You will regret not getting the 35's; but you will regret getting the 34's IMO


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Also, you will love the stage three lift, it is awesome.
Yeah that's my current thinking. Thanks for the heads up. I am also thinking that for a less then $400 savings it's not worth running spacers.
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I love the stock 10A rims and thought seriously about keeping them but mounting 35's and spacers. Realized that after selling parts and buying parts the difference in price from buying new AEV Savegres and 35's was only $385 dollars more then keeping the stock rims and buying spacers for 35's.

Fast forward to today when I ordered a set of 5 Toyo Open Country ATII in 35/1250R17 that I had planned on putting on black AEV Savegres I ordered tomorrow. Now I'm having second thoughts and thinking maybe I should go with 285/75R17 Toyo ATII's on the stock rims with spacers. 285/75R17 are 34's that are 11" wide so a half an inch shorter then the 34.5" (35's) diameter and one inch narrower then the 12" wide larger tires. They carry a faster speed rating, weigh 7lbs less each tires for 35lbs less overall vehicle weight along with the 8-9lbs less difference in rims accounting for an overall weight loss of 80lbs or so. The slightly larger diameter also obviously is less of an advantage with my 4.10 gearing as the Jeep will more easily turn the 285's.

I thought I was decided but I'm questioning again!

Stick with the plan 35/12.5 on Savegres
Change plan to stock rims with 285/75's

What do I doooooooo?
I actually have had the same debate going on in my mind for a while now. I really like the stock rims and I want to keep them, but I am not too thrilled with the idea of running spacers. If I go aftermarket wheels, I am likely going with the MB TKOs in black.

However, I decided on the tires first - 285 / 75 / 17 BFG KM2s. I did quite a bit of research / read forum reviews on tires, and I really like the behavior of the stock 10A tires on and off road, so I am sticking with the KM2s. I think the 34s are the perfect size tire for a 2.5 inch lift on a 2dr (just my opinion) and it gives me a little piece of mind when it comes to doing any axle reinforcement.

Keep in mind there is also a wider 34in tire (305 / 70 / 17) that will give you that bigger stance if that is what you want; I know the KM2s come in both sizes.

I am still a few months out from doing my lift / tires / wheels. Looking forward to seeing what you decide to go with.
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Get rid of the 10a rims??






I'm interested in the Toyo AT2s, also, but am keeping the stock Rubi rims. I'll be interested to see your decision.
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Keep in mind there is also a wider 34in tire (305 / 70 / 17) that will give you that bigger stance if that is what you want; I know the KM2s come in both sizes.
Actually the KM2 comes in a 305/65/17 IIRC. The T/A KO comes in a 315/70/17.
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Get rid of the 10a rims??






I'm interested in the Toyo AT2s, also, but am keeping the stock Rubi rims. I'll be interested to see your decision.
Haha. Yeah I do really like them but to be totally honest when Jeep released the RubiX with exactly the same rim I think it allowed me just that little bit extra indifference and I think I'm going to stick with aftermarket. They are a great wheel for sure but just not wide enough and spacers, while relatively safe if used correctly, is a bandaid and I'd rather not do that if possible.

My 35's were shipped today so that's what I'm going with and I suppose if I really get cold feet getting rid if the 10A rims I can always mount them up and go with spacers.
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good call
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Haha. Yeah I do really like them but to be totally honest when Jeep released the RubiX with exactly the same rim I think it allowed me just that little bit extra indifference and I think I'm going to stick with aftermarket. They are a great wheel for sure but just not wide enough and spacers, while relatively safe if used correctly, is a bandaid and I'd rather not do that if possible.

My 35's were shipped today so that's what I'm going with and I suppose if I really get cold feet getting rid if the 10A rims I can always mount them up and go with spacers.

I'm a way off from ordering new tires. I only have about 7k on the M/Ts, and won't upgrade until necessary. I love, love the stock Rubi wheels, and I guess I will have to make that tough decision down the road. I'm not a fan of the 16" look, so never planned on switching out wheels.

Interested to see your decisions and build, Doc.
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Actually the KM2 comes in a 305/65/17 IIRC. The T/A KO comes in a 315/70/17.
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There is also a 305 / 65 / 17 offered in the KM2, as you mentioned (not shown in this image), but that is closer to a 33. Not sure about the other tire you mentioned; not looked into those.
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Here are most of the 17s in the KM2 ...



There is also a 305 / 65 / 17 offered in the KM2, as you mentioned (not shown in this image), but that is closer to a 33. Not sure about the other tire you mentioned; not looked into those.
Just checked Dicount Tire based on my post. Looks like TireRack has more sizes available.
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I am once again having a hard time with wheel choice.

I am really liking the Rugged Ridge black wheels with the rash guards painted either red or anvil. May see if they could even powdercoat them anvil or red. WilsonTX's daughters Jeep looks fantastic with that color scheme.

I'm now deciding between the machined lip to better mimic the stock 10A rim if I don't use the rim protectors all the time or go with all black.

The other minor concern is the offset is such that it will stick more rubber outside the fenders compared to the AEV's.

Despite the faux locking hub center cap and beadlock "look" I am thinking the rash rings provide nice insurance against wrecking the lip of the rim and offer another way to set off the Jeep as my own. I really like the idea of body color rash ring and maybe try to find some way to swap out the center caps for something flat or lower profile.

Not to mention with the rebate going and finding a retailer with free shipping and very low prices I'd save $250 when compared to the AEV Savegres. That covers almost half of the Teraflex tire carrier with adjustable mount I will also have to order or the Teraflex monster front track bar I will likely order as well.
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How about the Level 8 Zx which also have the paintable rock ring?
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Discount tire has a neat little online page where you can try on different wheels on a JKUR. You can see how they look before you buy them. You might give it a try.
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I am once again having a hard time with wheel choice.

I am really liking the Rugged Ridge black wheels with the rash guards painted either red or anvil. May see if they could even powdercoat them anvil or red. WilsonTX's daughters Jeep looks fantastic with that color scheme.

I'm now deciding between the machined lip to better mimic the stock 10A rim if I don't use the rim protectors all the time or go with all black.

The other minor concern is the offset is such that it will stick more rubber outside the fenders compared to the AEV's.

Despite the faux locking hub center cap and beadlock "look" I am thinking the rash rings provide nice insurance against wrecking the lip of the rim and offer another way to set off the Jeep as my own. I really like the idea of body color rash ring and maybe try to find some way to swap out the center caps for something flat or lower profile.

Not to mention with the rebate going and finding a retailer with free shipping and very low prices I'd save $250 when compared to the AEV Savegres. That covers almost half of the Teraflex tire carrier with adjustable mount I will also have to order or the Teraflex monster front track bar I will likely order as well.
I've heard nothing but good things about them, PLUS they're hub centric (as are the AEV).

Shopjeepparts.com has an awesome deal on 5. (Saved on my favorites!)

http://www.shopjeepparts.com/17x9-al...kp8ldi9usj2fm1


Would be a great choice, IMHO.
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heres my 10A with the mopar stage 3 lift on with 35's
the first pic is with 35's on stock suspension
2nd pic is with the lift on

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Order placed for Rugged Ridge Satin Black wheels with black rim protectors from Quadratec with price match. Great service from these guys however the wheels are on backorder with expected delivery in 2 weeks.... boooooo. Oh well I doubt I will be busting out the lift in the next week or two anyway so no big deal.

Figured a 9" wide wheel would be better for the 12.5" wide tires I got considering Toyo recommends 10 as ideal and 8.5 as the lower limit. Also this was a CONSIDERABLY less costly set even with the rings then the AEV and I have the rings to play with accent colors or leave off all together. Scratch up a $225 dollar Savegre by picking a bad line (likely with a complete novice - me) and you have a scratched wheel. Scratch up a $30 disposable rash ring and I spend 30 more bucks to fix it.

03SVT, how much rubber sits outboard of your fenders? Do you have a direct head on shot at one side fender showing how much they stick out?
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I'll get a good photo later today, about an inch or so is what sticks out
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I'll get a good photo later today, about an inch or so is what sticks out
That's not bad, I was a little worried it would be more. Thanks.
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Doc, I have the duratrac 315/70/17 on the stock rubi rims with spacers and I love it. Also have the AEV 2.5 lift. Seriously contemplated the AEV rims but decided to stick with the stocks and really like the look on the Billet Rubi.

I am up the road in Hockessin BTW. Good to see another Delaware jeeper on the forum.

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2 great looking jeeps. And that shop is really nice!!
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I am once again having a hard time with wheel choice.

I am really liking the Rugged Ridge black wheels with the rash guards painted either red or anvil. May see if they could even powdercoat them anvil or red. WilsonTX's daughters Jeep looks fantastic with that color scheme.

I'm now deciding between the machined lip to better mimic the stock 10A rim if I don't use the rim protectors all the time or go with all black.

The other minor concern is the offset is such that it will stick more rubber outside the fenders compared to the AEV's.

Despite the faux locking hub center cap and beadlock "look" I am thinking the rash rings provide nice insurance against wrecking the lip of the rim and offer another way to set off the Jeep as my own. I really like the idea of body color rash ring and maybe try to find some way to swap out the center caps for something flat or lower profile.

Not to mention with the rebate going and finding a retailer with free shipping and very low prices I'd save $250 when compared to the AEV Savegres. That covers almost half of the Teraflex tire carrier with adjustable mount I will also have to order or the Teraflex monster front track bar I will likely order as well.
I have not decided on tires yet but this is my choice on wheels as well with the ring powder coated in the red to match the 10a. I will be running the new Metal Cloak 2 1/2" lift for the 2 door. I think you have made a great choice and look forward to seeing it!
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That's not bad, I was a little worried it would be more. Thanks.
it may be a little farther than an inch.


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by measurement it is two inches to the end of the thread and three inches to the outer most part of the tire
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by measurement it is two inches to the end of the thread and three inches to the outer most part of the tire
Thanks for the pics and the info. It doesn't look that much in the pics and I suppose either way it's what I have ordered so I will learn to like it. I wasn't necessarily going for the super wide stance but I guess if 2 of the 12 inches of tread is sticking out it's not too bad.

Now that everything is ordered I just want it to get here but I must be patient because it's going to be 2 weeks or more at best now.

Tires get here tomorrow AM and that is going to make the wait worse.
I'm going to have 350lbs of tires sitting in my garage with no wheels!!!

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