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Old 01-07-2017, 05:42 PM
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Change the gears you will have plent of power, my 5.38's are waiting for in my garage right now, I'm just out of town for another week. Also want to truss, sleeve and gusset while the gears are out.
I know I can re-gear, drop down lower. That will help with torque, but I suspect won't be a very pleasant highway experience. Maybe someone with experience doing this can chime in. What would the revs be like at 80mph? I need it to cruise comfortable as I cover interstate distances.

My 4:10's aren't at all bad with the 35's...I just want a little more


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Nicely done, great write up. Think the Griffing DL is def in my future.


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Hey I was in the same boat, but mainly trips to Florida. I WANTED a supercharger but everyone said regear to 4.88 first. So I did. We'll see how this tax season goes as we should be in a good tax situation because of these eployment...I've been thinking a lot more about it since pretty much everything on my lunch list is done, or at least the big stuff.

You should deffinitely check out Jeep Beach Daytona. It's so much fun, and it's more than just a weekend. We had such a blast that will be going yearly!
Let me know your thoughts on the 4.88's after you spend some time with them. I believe you are on 37's?

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I have done a ton of re-gearing research, from what I have read, people say your gas mpg will actually get better and depending on gear change obviously but if I remember correctly 4.88-5.38 will see about a 900 rpm increase on the highway, which I am fine with. Right now I'm running 1900rpm at 80mph, so I can deal with 2800 at 80 to gain all that low end.
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I think 900 is even on the high side based on this chart I have seen many times. It is a 70mph chart, but some simple math you can figure out 80mph:

40" tires on 3.73 gears at 70mph is 1514rpm which I can vouch is right, like I said 80mph I'm hitting 1900, difference of 400rpm, so if I add 400rpm to the stated rpm on 5.38's at 70 mph on 3.73 which is 2184 that would put me at about 2600rpm, not bad if you ask me.

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I have done a ton of re-gearing research, from what I have read, people say your gas mpg will actually get better and depending on gear change obviously but if I remember correctly 4.88-5.38 will see about a 900 rpm increase on the highway, which I am fine with. Right now I'm running 1900rpm at 80mph, so I can deal with 2800 at 80 to gain all that low end.
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I think 900 is even on the high side based on this chart I have seen many times. It is a 70mph chart, but some simple math you can figure out 80mph:

40" tires on 3.73 gears at 70mph is 1514rpm which I can vouch is right, like I said 80mph I'm hitting 1900, difference of 400rpm, so if I add 400rpm to the stated rpm on 5.38's at 70 mph on 3.73 which is 2184 that would put me at about 2600rpm, not bad if you ask me.

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That's great info Always! Thanks for that, you given me some things to ponder....much appreciated my friend

Let me know your real world experience when your 5:38's get installed. What are you looking at money wise for getting the re-gear?


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I got the gear sets from Chuck at Northridge 4x4 I think they were $595.00 for everything with master bearings and seals and oil. I am doing the install so I guess free I hope on that part, if I don't jack anything up. I should be fine, have done mechanical work my whole life.

One shop around be wanted $1900 for labor I told them to pound sand, the other shop about 45 mins from me wanted $1750 with gears, so about $1200 in labor, I really just don't trust anyone. I owned my own shop for 8 years and saw more than you know in bad work from other shops, I would rather just do it myself, learn a few things if it takes me a couple days it takes me a couple days.
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I got the gear sets from Chuck at Northridge 4x4 I think they were $595.00 for everything with master bearings and seals and oil. I am doing the install so I guess free I hope on that part, if I don't jack anything up. I should be fine, have done mechanical work my whole life.

One shop around be wanted $1900 for labor I told them to pound sand, the other shop about 45 mins from me wanted $1750 with gears, so about $1200 in labor, I really just don't trust anyone. I owned my own shop for 8 years and saw more than you know in bad work from other shops, I would rather just do it myself, learn a few things if it takes me a couple days it takes me a couple days.
Thanks for the info.. Those are some great skills to have! I'll be keeping an eye on your thread, maybe post your thoughts as you do the gears?


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Let me know your thoughts on the 4.88's after you spend some time with them. I believe you are on 37's?

Your build is inspiration for getting the details right, bravo! Jeep Beach Daytona sounds amazing...maybe I need to point Rubi southeast one day.


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Will do Steven! Thats right--I'll be on 37's when I get back. I heard my paternity leave got approved...I'll believe it when I'm back stateside, but maybe I'll have a day or two to get it together before little man comes! And thanks for the kind words--I feel very fortunate to have been able to build my Jeep up. I'm quite the fan of yours too, though.

You should definitely check into it! You can even do the Auto Train if you don't want to drive the whole way. We lucked into it last year, and now I'll make it a trip every year I can. Lots of jeeps, off site trails, venders galore, and the family loved being there. If you make it, we'll definitely have to meet up and do a photo set together!

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Will do Steven! Thats right--I'll be on 37's when I get back. I heard my paternity leave got approved...I'll believe it when I'm back stateside, but maybe I'll have a day or two to get it together before little man comes! And thanks for the kind words--I feel very fortunate to have been able to build my Jeep up. I'm quite the fan of yours too, though.

You should definitely check into it! You can even do the Auto Train if you don't want to drive the whole way. We lucked into it last year, and now I'll make it a trip every year I can. Lots of jeeps, off site trails, venders galore, and the family loved being there. If you make it, we'll definitely have to meet up and do a photo set together!

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Congrats on the paternity leave...man you have to be exited about the addition coming to your family!!! Get home safe, and sincerely, thanks for your service Ryan!

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I'm running my Fox ATS, although I've read quite a few guys don't feel the need to run a steering stabilizer with the Griffen XD Attenuator. I set the ATS to all the way soft on the dampening adjuster, to help me get a feel for what the Yeti was doing. I figure I'll experiment with different settings to gauge the effect.

So, how's it to drive? I'll quote my mechanic here, he finished the alignment and took Rubi out for a test drive. When he came back in the shop, shaking his head he said to the shop foreman, "wow, I wasn't expecting that"! The shop foreman replies, yeah lifted Jeeps have a lot of wallow in them..."no replies the mechanic.. I was shocked at how quickly it cuts when you turn the wheel". "The steering on that thing is fantastic!!!"

I'll second that, this is great improvement to the steering feel on a Jeep. I could feel the difference driving out of the garage parking lot. I suspect part of the directness comes from the anti-flop design, coupled with the strength of the pieces themselves. Steering input is direct and satisfying...can't believe I'm saying that about a lifted JKU. The Griffin is amazing at soaking up sharp bumps, keeping them from getting transmitted through to the steering wheel. This is another of the more satisfying mods...you get to feel/enjoy it on every drive! I'll report back after I get some miles on it. I would love to try it on some of those fast, bumpy connecting roads I drove in Moab. Stay tuned!



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Hey Mister Photoshoot.....what roof rack is that, I need something low so I can still fit in my garage wit the 40's.

BTW, she looks really nice!! I think those photos just made up my mind on the color choice of my dif covers.
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Fantastic Steven, look like I'm gonna have these on my mod list.
It a great upgrade Tak. I had a chance to spend a little time behind the wheel of Rubi this weekend. With the new high steer set-up/geometry, the steering is down right amazing. I hit some huge pot holes (Chicago is famous for) at 45 mph...nothing gets through to the steering wheel. I began looking for obstacles to hit at speed to see if I upset it at all, nothing. The Griffin XD has some magic inside it that tunes out any harsh input. This thing drives like a car now! I've dialed in a few more clicks of firmness on the Fox ATS, I'm currently at 7 of 24. I'm going to keeping playing with the ATS settings and see how much tunability I can do with this set-up. I do prefer it more on the firm settings.


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Hey Mister Photoshoot.....what roof rack is that, I need something low so I can still fit in my garage wit the 40's.

BTW, she looks really nice!! I think those photos just made up my mind on the color choice of my dif covers.
That is a Kargo Master Lo-Pro Mod. It bolts directly to the roll bar. Check post #556 of this thread for the install and more photos on that. It has been squeak free and water tight. I've stood on it and used it for photos as well.

The G2 aluminum covers would look sick on your rig with your new wheels!



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I know I can re-gear, drop down lower. That will help with torque, but I suspect won't be a very pleasant highway experience. Maybe someone with experience doing this can chime in. What would the revs be like at 80mph? I need it to cruise comfortable as I cover interstate distances.



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Ok made a note of this for you, I don't get on the highway very much which is why I opted 5.13. But also why it took this long to get you this

70mph, the pin was just under 3000rpm. 75mph, was just above it. 80mph was 3200. I had it in D, assume in 5th gear but it slipped my mind to check at the time.


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I just went over your whole build and love everything you have done! I thought I'd researched every roof rack known to man and then i see yours. I'm amazed how low profile it is with the top rails off. Have you used the rack yet? Is there any tie down points without the top and side rails? What about a rooftop tent? Do you think that would work with this type of rack?
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Ok made a note of this for you, I don't get on the highway very much which is why I opted 5.13. But also why it took this long to get you this

70mph, the pin was just under 3000rpm. 75mph, was just above it. 80mph was 3200. I had it in D, assume in 5th gear but it slipped my mind to check at the time.


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I just went over your whole build and love everything you have done! I thought I'd researched every roof rack known to man and then i see yours. I'm amazed how low profile it is with the top rails off. Have you used the rack yet? Is there any tie down points without the top and side rails? What about a rooftop tent? Do you think that would work with this type of rack?
Hey Jimmy! Thanks for the compliments. The low profile and solidness of the Lo-Pro Mod is what I love about it. It has a load capacity of 500lbs static, and 300lbs travel. I installed a set of tie down rings from Kargo Master. They attach to the side rails, and can be adjusted to anywhere along the sides or top of the K-rails(sides). I don't have a good pic of them. I ordered all of it through Quadratec. Not all of the accessories are shown on the website, I called and talked with a rep to find the tie downs.

I've used the rack to haul lumber, tied down coolers up there, etc., as well as two of us have stood up there and used it as a photo platform. I'm thinking about fitting a couple of RotoPax gas cans up there for the Moab trips.

Regarding the tent, not sure. The platform is 52in. long, and sturdy enough. Not sure what length would be needed to attach a tent. Hope this helps.



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I've said it once and I'll say it again, best looking HR build around. Hats off to you my man.

Also, I want dibs on your wheels when you upgrade! ...We all know you will sooner than later hahaha.
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Very kind words Mike, thanks!

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Very kind words Mike, thanks!

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Question about the rack. How hard is it to remove the top once it's installed? I still run both tops, so I'd want to be able to get the top off without uninstalling having to uninstall everything.


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Question about the rack. How hard is it to remove the top once it's installed? I still run both tops, so I'd want to be able to get the top off without uninstalling having to uninstall everything.


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I have yet to remove my hard top, so I don't have actual experience with it. To do it, you would need to remove the 4 nuts on the inside. Then just lift it off with the top. The holes the bolts line up/pass through (on the roll bar) are pretty generously sized. I think it would be easy to remove, still attacked to the top.


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