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Old 03-07-2013, 06:52 AM   #301
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Kramer, off topic, but you bringing that beauty to beach jeep? If so, I hope to meet you there

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Old 03-07-2013, 08:15 AM   #302
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Kramer, off topic, but you bringing that beauty to beach jeep? If so, I hope to meet you there
Yessir! We'll be there Saturday morning. Looking forward to it.

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Been on that ferry many times, my wife is from Jacksonville. That was the jetties you were at? correct.
That's correct. The jetties at Huguenot Park on Heckscher Dr.

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Great thread and a really good job on your Jeep. I have the the same Evo exhaust system on my jeep. I'm interested to hear how you like it.....but give it at least 3 weeks in break in. Party On!
Do you not like the exhaust? It's not too loud or drone I hope? It arrives today so I'll get it installed.

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Kramer just curious,how has your tire/wheel setup done so far?Any problems with the balance?Also you were using a milage program,what is yor average MPH with your setup?Just ordering tires and wheels and any input would be greatly appreciated!!Thanks Kevin
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As an update to the thread, I do have some things in the works for my Jeep.

My JCR sliders are at powder coating. I have a Dynomax Evolution Off-Road exhaust arriving tomorrow. I know, I know. I'm not doing it for HP gains. I just want some more growl out of the engine and to ditch the hideous can from behind my Jeep. This new one tucks up tight and exits in front of the rear axle. And I ordered a 42" Hi-Lift to go on my Teraflex tailgate hinge. I need to find in stock or preorder the accessory mount from Tesaflex.
Interested in your opinions on the exhaust. I wouldnt mind mine sounding a little bit more aggressive.
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Old 03-08-2013, 09:26 PM   #305
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Kramer just curious,how has your tire/wheel setup done so far?Any problems with the balance?Also you were using a milage program,what is yor average MPH with your setup?Just ordering tires and wheels and any input would be greatly appreciated!!Thanks Kevin
Hey Kevin, I love these wheels and tires. They're balanced great so far. Couldn't be happier so far. I'm averaging 14mpg.
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Thanks for the info!!!
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Great thread and a really good job on your Jeep. I have the the same Evo exhaust system on my jeep. I'm interested to hear how you like it.....but give it at least 3 weeks in break in. Party On!


Do you not like the exhaust? It's not too loud or drone I hope? It arrives today so I'll get it installed.
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:55 PM   #308
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Ouch - 14 MPG?? Not that I'd expect a LOT more, but geez, my 78K '05 Sport has been faithfully doing 16. Then again, I'm on big-lug but only 30" tires and stock gearing, etc. Do you have 4.10s? I think I've seen 3.73s are a Rubi option for '13?
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Ouch - 14 MPG?? Not that I'd expect a LOT more, but geez, my 78K '05 Sport has been faithfully doing 16. Then again, I'm on big-lug but only 30" tires and stock gearing, etc. Do you have 4.10s? I think I've seen 3.73s are a Rubi option for '13?
14 is normal on these bigger builds. I average about the same on mine... /shrug
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Ouch - 14 MPG?? Not that I'd expect a LOT more, but geez, my 78K '05 Sport has been faithfully doing 16. Then again, I'm on big-lug but only 30" tires and stock gearing, etc. Do you have 4.10s? I think I've seen 3.73s are a Rubi option for '13?
Yeah, *shrug*. Whatcha gonna do, ya know.

I do have 4.10s, but you'd realize little, if any, improvement with the 3.73s. It's just the weight of these pigs aren't going to allow you to do much better.

About that '05 with 30s and stock suspension Geoff. It's high time we fix that man.
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:01 PM   #311
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Old 03-11-2013, 11:53 PM   #312
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Yeah, I've got a couple more years before I can fix it...dog can barely get in as it is. He's not getting any younger. Unless I can rig some kind of ramp that takes up virtually no space, I'm stuck at stock level for now. That's OK, though - I'll be due for some replacement suspension parts by then anyway!

BTW, got my annual beach pass for '13 today, and also the North Beach Access pass. Turns out, North Beach isn't new this year, but they have only issued about 40 permits each year, so not many have known about it (oops...). That's not an imposed limit, just how many have gone through with it.
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Hey Kramer. Finally got the door hangers. They look great, thanks for the tip.
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Old 03-19-2013, 08:36 PM   #314
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It's been a while since I've updated this thread but I've got lots of updates now.

First up, I want to detail the JCR slider experience. It was a very trying and frustrating experience, but in the end it worked out and I'm so very happy with how the sliders look and function.

When I first ordered them I knew I'd probably need to do a little custom work on them since I have BW flat fenders. The JCR sliders are made with such close tolerances to the OEM fenders anything other than them will present an obstacle.

Second, I knew from Mike's (MTH) experience, the installation process on these sliders isnít for the faint of heart. I certainly don't think these are meant to be installed by the average home mechanic. You need to have a good set of tools and the ability to work around obstacles when they present themselves. Having a knowledgeable and experienced assistant is crucial here. I'll get in to that later.

They showed up in a box beat to hell. I suppose it doesn't matter since they're unfinished. Still, JCR should put a little more into the packaging I think. The UPS man remarked a couple days later when dropping something else off, "What the hell was in that box the other day!!??" LMAO He works hard for his money my behalf. haha



I got them unpackaged and surveyed the product. They're made very nicely. The cuts on the plate metal and welds are superb.



You get a package with the body bolts (10 per side), nutserts (awful little creations), a crush "tool" (more on that POS excuse later), a huge drill bit, anti-sieze, crappy instructions, and a sweet looking sticker.





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The first thing you'll want to do is tape up the body so you donít scratch is up doing the pre-fitting process. Since the sliders were too long due to my fenders I ended up scuffing them up a little. Itís nothing I canít fix with a little polish.











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Continued...

The next step was to decide how much trimming was required so the sliders would fit with my Bushwacker fenders.

I marked the area to be trimmed and then broke out the big daddy angle grinder. My dad gave me this thing. Itís older than I am! Those 15 amps chewed through the metal like it was made of butter though!! On with the light show of sparks and metal!











After we trimmed the sliders enough for a proper fit it was time to mark the holes for drilling.

This is the point of no return. Iím about to drill 20 large holes in the body of my 5 month old Jeep. On with it!



After the holes were marked and drilled it was time to crush the nutserts into the holes. This became the most nerve-wracking part of the entire process.

The tool they give you consists of a bolt through a washer and nut. You hold the nut while tightening the bolt and it crushes the nutserts behind the sheet metal. But! The nut they provide is not a good fit and allows the soft brass nutsert to begin to come out of the hole in which theyíre sitting. I donít have any good pictures of the crushed nutserts but they were mostly all horrible looking and not crushed flush against the body or centered in their holes.

This led to a major PITA when trying to bolt the powder coated rails to the body because the bolts didnít line up with ease. We had to raise and lower the rails multiple times to address poorly crushed nutserts.

The finish on the sliders came out awesome. I got them with a crinkled finish for a good grip on the steps.





To be continued...
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Eventually they were mounted successfully and all the bolts threaded in properly. I then spent a lot of time applying RTV silicone to the top border of the sliders. I spend a good amount of time at the beach so I didnít want salt and sand getting behind them corroding the paint or sliders. I was very careful applying the bead of RTV and then spent tons of time going back over it to create a neat appearance.





Showing the pinch seam area. They sliders are a good length so as to not interfere with larger tires.





The finished product.





I was taking pictures as I was putting the doors and windows back on so this shows a progression of the Jeep getting dressed.



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Old 03-19-2013, 08:46 PM   #317
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That work on the JCR Stage 2 sliders took place over the course of the last 3 weeks. They came in, I waited for powder coat, and did the installation over the course of 2 days.

Today I completed the task of organizing my doors/windows. I've had the Skinny Pedal door hangers for a few months now.

These things are awesome. I detailed those a few pages back but here are a few additional pictures of them doing a great job holding my doors.





I wanted to also have a place to store my soft windows. They were sitting under my bed for the longest time, but I wasn't happy with that.

I have to credit my dad with this one. He came up with this for his TJ doors. It works beautifully for mine as well.

I grabbed 6 of these tarp clips.



And then hung the doors from them on some hooks on the garage wall.





Tomorrow I'll post up about the installation of my DynoMax Evolution Off-Road exhaust.
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Old 03-19-2013, 08:53 PM   #318
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Old 03-19-2013, 09:02 PM   #319
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The sliders look pretty good. JCR is about 10 minutes up the road from me. The guys there are all pretty cool. Good tips on the soft top storage too! Anxious to hear your impressions of the exhaust.
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:28 PM   #320
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Lol! You have a big tool there! Makes my grinder look wimpy. Your sliders look really good but not sure I would want to attempt that install. Heck, I hated the BW flatties install....not hard but what a major PITA! Look great though!
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Can I ask, why did you go with the JCR over Poison Spdyer? I ask because I'm looking at Poison Spyder at the moment.
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:56 PM   #322
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I wanted to post a few follow up thoughts about the JCR sliders.

They do come with silver hardware bolts, but anyone that knows me it drives me crazy to have the hardware so noticeable.

Here's how I prepped the bolts before painting a few coats of gloss black on them. The paint held up great even after fastening them to the sliders and tub.



And I realized I didn't post any photos of the underside of the sliders. They have three tabs on the bottom side that bolt to the body using the tub bolts.





And here's a few photos showing a top profile. This should give you a good idea on how wide the step is. They marry with my BW fender flares perfectly I'd say. I like how they all turned out and look together.





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Can I ask, why did you go with the JCR over Poison Spdyer? I ask because I'm looking at Poison Spyder at the moment.
I did have the PSC sliders in contention when initially doing research on sliders. I ultimately decided that the JCR S2 sliders looked better to me. The PSC set just looks a little busy to me and I don't like how the step angles up.

It was mostly an aesthetic reason, but also the JCR sliders were considerably cheaper. I got them for a smoking deal from Jason at KOR.
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Over the last couple weeks I also removed the stock exhaust system and installed the DynoMax 39522 Ultra Flo Evolution Offroad Exhaust. I picked it up from Amazon for $185 shipped. They're running a promotion right now so it'll end up being $135 shipped after a $50 rebate. I couldn't pass it up. The stock muffler sounds pathetic and the look always bothered me -- even after painting it black.

I used THIS tutorial from Project-JK.com as a guide for installation. There's also a nice video showing some sound bites of the exhaust.

Here's the stock look with the puny stock muffler.
(with a slight lean since I had already removed one muffler hanger.)


The stock piping and muffler removed. It was about 40 pounds of weight removed I'd say.



Since I have the Teraflex exhaust spacers I did have to trim about 2" off the DynoMax extension pipe to bring things back to stock dimensions. That was a simple 5 minute job with my reciprocating saw.

The hardest part about the job was getting the rubber muffler hangers off their pegs. Those things were a BIOTCH!! Some WD40 and a strategically placed huge pry bar did the trick eventually.

My first order had to be returned to Amazon due to a defect with the unit. The diameter of the piping on the muffler turned out to be the same as the diameter of the piping from the stock Y-pipe. That's not gonna work.



You can tell it almost fits, but it just wasn't going in.



This is the same pipe inserted in the other end of the muffler. It had the correct piping diameter and you can tell the pipe slid down past the yellow label.



The return process was extremely easy. I had a replacement unit in 2 days and it was just fine.

Here's the rear view after installation. Such a clean look.





From the rear again. You can slightly make out the new muffler.



Excuse the wire -- I was airing up my tires while taking pictures. My tires dropped a few PSI over the last few weeks since I had not been driving it.







The sound is pretty awesome. I got a huge grin on my face the first time I fired it up. It has a nice, deep rumble at idle. There was a slight drone at first but it wound down once the engine came down to normal idle RPM.

The first extended drive down the street yielded a little drone at some RPMs. But again, the sound is awesome when you get on the throttle a little. After having driven the Jeep with this exhaust a little more over the last week I'm getting more pleased with it. It's starting to "break in" I guess. The slight drone is almost gone and there's a steady deep rumble to it now.'

When I get the time and assistance from my wife I want to get a few videos of the exhaust in action.
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That's a sweet looking exhaust and a great price. Do you get any other benefits besides better location and better sound? Just those 2 make it worth the money even if not.
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can you record your new exhaust?
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I plan to do that eventually.

In the meantime here is a clip of the exhaust on a 2012 JKU:
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Dammit, Kramer, now I just HAVE to order that exhaust as well! At a $135 net cost, who could pass up that deal?

Thanks for the heads-up!

PS: and much respect for tackling that JCR slider install!
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kramer thanks for that! i love mud flaps on that jeep, hah!

it sounds great. not too loud or obnoxious but just a bit nicer than stock.

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