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Old 09-02-2013, 09:42 PM   #1
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Tweaks build thread.

Alright so the fun is just starting! I figured I would post up a build thread since there arent really all that many hardcore build threads on WF, maybe I can motivate some people! This is my first time ever attempting anything like this. I have tons of help here from the club but if anyone has any advice I am more than willing to listen!

I have been running a trussed Dana 30 with 37's for the last 10000 miles, and I just dont feel comfortable with that and there is no way I am going smaller than 37".

a tube buggy guy from the club had a spare unmolested Dana 60 laying around. I figured that would give me some confidence! I paid a little more than I wanted to for it, $1100, but if you read on you will see that it was worth it. It was pulled from a 91 F350 SRW. has everything from wheel to wheel.

we picked it up in the kandy van/tow rig. it barely fit!

Alright, now I have seen used gears before, and assuming the old ford had at least 300,000 miles on it like they usually do, it looks to me like these arent the original gears. they are 4.10's. Not sure how I feel about them.... I know I will have to regear my rear 44 which currently has 3.73's, but the little voice in me says I need to go ahead and pull out these great looking gears. Better in the long run.

when I opened her up not even a quart of oil came out, and it was leaking badly around the pinion. if I had left it pinion down overnight I am sure it would have been empty.

30 spline outers, 35 inners. I know eventually I will be upgrading to 35 spline outers, but since I am only running 37's for now, 30 spline shafts will be fine until I can come up with the cash. Besides, I really want to use these Superwinch locking hubs that came on it. Another thing that caught my eye, that grease looks brand new. It doesnt even look like it had a chance to get slung around. The wheel bearings themselves look great but Ill be replacing them anyways.

Found another goodie when I took the rotors off of the spindle, they were clearly machined recently and I dont think they drove a mile after. Hell even the brake pads are brand new! Pistons look awesome!

These U-Joints still have a few thousand miles on them!


Currently I am stuck trying to get the lower kingpins off of the knuckle. its a pin with a cap that mounts flush to the underside of the knuckle with 4 bolts. It is so flush that I can not pry it out and I really dont want to damage the cast. Ill probably make a tool to allow me to twist it using 2 of the 4 bolt holes. The upper kingpins look great. I wouldnt be surprised if they were new.

And that is where I am on the teardown. My plans are to have dynatrac hook me up with ABS, regear it to 513-538, new joints, fab my own double tri 4 link, ARB locker, hydro assist, tie rod, complete bearing and seal rebuild, King 14" coilovers and maybe Artec's new truss. This will be a long slow build on a tiny budget but it will get done right. Further on down the road I plan on installing a 14b rear, because a 44 back there is just silly!

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turns out all I needed to get those lower kingpins off was a bigger hammer!

Decided I will be keeping the stock 30 spline shafts because I am only running 37's right now and it came with working superwinch hubs. picked up some spicer U joints. next step will be installing ABS. OH JOY!

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alright, so it has been about 7 months since I have last posted on this, mostly because progress has been slow over the winter due to lots of wheeling trips taking all my money.

picked up a 14 bolt


Drilling out high steer arms

Brackets are a pain in the butt

same guy I bought the 60 from sold me an ARB with compressor for $500

it was pulled out of the blue one. propane 454





got a box of stuff from Ballistic Fab, good thing the quality was garbage and they sent me the wrong misalignment spacers...


fortunately the brackets are all great.
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the great thing about working with a 60 is that they are almost identical in axle tube length when compared with the 30 and 44, the width difference is in everything outboard of the forged ends. this allowed me to simply find the center of each axle, measure out to the center of the spring perch, and duplicate that on the 60. unfortunately the 91 kingpin ford axle has a very short drivers side tube (this is because of the wider frames found in trucks of that year) so I will have to modify the drivers side spring bucket to sit flat on the old leaf spring perch with one side, and on the tube itself with the other.





This is about how my lower links will sit. they will be angled up a bit more, just couldnt get my PVC links in there with the midarms still on!

lower links will be 3 foot bolt to bolt, ballistic heims on axle end and bushings at the frame end. single upper coming off of the inside of the passenger frame rail.


one road block I have is the fact that my trackbar bracket has 5/8" holes, while my Rock Krawler trackbar has 9/16". I shot rock krawler an email, all I need are new misalignment spacers, thats about $11 a pair. Awesome!
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gotta have shiny spindles and spring retainers!
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I have not been able to get the axle under the jeep yet. I have been measuring and measuring and I can not find any reason why it will not fit like a glove. hopefully next weekend I can actually get it under.
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think 2" .250 will be enough? how about 1.5" .250 wall for a drag link LOL

5.38's, and various internal parts should be here this week, it will be done internally hub to hub next week.
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only 500 views? come on guys, there is actual fabrication going on here on WF, that never happens!
the steering isnt done, the tie rod is getting moved down to the OEM location on the knuckles and the drag link is getting moved forward on the high steer arms. of course not until I fill it full of 5.38's and an ARB! should be here next week!

the passenger side was a royal pain in the butt. had to cut some of the cast tube off and chop the pretty Ballistic Fab spring perches to pieces. my MIG went crazy so ill post up some pictures of that when I clean it up a bit.

essentially, this is a Dana 60 that will bolt directly into a bone stock JK minus the upper control arms. spring perches and LCA brackets are in the OEM location. still need to work on finding a shock solution but that shouldnt be hard.


up next! I will be busting out the 14 bolt which should be a hell of a lot easier than this thing
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good stuff, I'll be keeping an eye on the build.
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You mean you can actually build stuff for a JK? Lol thanks for being one of those built not bought guys. It irritates me how people build them out of a catalog and then still dunno how to drive it. Should turn out pretty good. How much separation at the axle end? And just curious as to why you had to love the tie rod down to the factory spot.
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You mean you can actually build stuff for a JK? Lol thanks for being one of those built not bought guys. It irritates me how people build them out of a catalog and then still dunno how to drive it. Should turn out pretty good. How much separation at the axle end? And just curious as to why you had to love the tie rod down to the factory spot.
I forget what my separation is, but the brackets are welded up against the C's. separation is identical to OEM location. this 60 is actually not that wide, all the extra length comes from the knuckles and spindle and hub.

I have to move the tie rod down mostly because the high steer arms bring it up so high that it will be contacting the frame. A little worried that I may have to do something with the drag link as well. I should add that this jeep is my daily driver, so I am unable to pull it in the garage and leave it on jackstands for a month while I figure things out. this leaves me with a LOT of measuring, remeasuring, and measuring some more to be sure everything fits right.
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Nice fab work.

Holy balls, you shouldn't have to worry about trashing an axle.....
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I forget what my separation is, but the brackets are welded up against the C's. separation is identical to OEM location. this 60 is actually not that wide, all the extra length comes from the knuckles and spindle and hub. I have to move the tie rod down mostly because the high steer arms bring it up so high that it will be contacting the frame. A little worried that I may have to do something with the drag link as well. I should add that this jeep is my daily driver, so I am unable to pull it in the garage and leave it on jackstands for a month while I figure things out. this leaves me with a LOT of measuring, remeasuring, and measuring some more to be sure everything fits right.
Yeah I sucks the frame dips back down in the front. I've though about cutting it just forward of the motor mounts and run tubing to kinda suck it all up some and then I realize I should just build a buggy if I get all that crazy with it lol
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Yeah I sucks the frame dips back down in the front. I've though about cutting it just forward of the motor mounts and run tubing to kinda suck it all up some and then I realize I should just build a buggy if I get all that crazy with it lol
after sitting and thinking and doing more sitting and thinking I may end up just running a Y link TRE and call it a day. I will be running hydro assist soon so high steer may not be that hugely important.


got my 5.38's in and dropped the ring gear onto the ARB, my pinion baffle and yoke show up tomorrow and I can finally start putting this thing together, as well as make it a pain in the butt to move around the garage!

Excuse the mess, just moved in a couple of months ago. the assorted snelled hooks are not a part of the build.



I was a little worried about how I was going to set up link brackets on the 14 bolt, seeing as the JK has a pretty different shock setup. messing around with the idea of using something like this for the uppers and lowers and putting an angled shock bracket on the backside of the lower.


oh, and I have right around 43" of separation at the axle end for the front lowers, center of the joint.
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Nice fab work.

Holy balls, you shouldn't have to worry about trashing an axle.....
thanks!

my good buddy Jeremy drives a 1 ton TJ, basically the TJ version of what this thing is going to turn out to be, down to the paint color. after seeing how he can just smash into rocks all day until he gets up something I decided I would do the same.


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well great, now I have to build a spare tire carrier.


got a switch solution set up.


so I found this at work. we were throwing away the old arresting gear antifreeze tanks, this little guy has been supporting a 4 pound light for a few years. that's 2" .50 wall DOM. 6 4' sections of it. thinking about threading it and putting my 1.25 heims into it for rear links. saves me a hundred or so.


got my solid diff cover and the rest of my seals, paid $65 for the cover and it even came with a giant tube of RTV that will last me forever. I was just going to run the stock cover but for $65 how could I not. if anyone needs diff covers solid is selling everything, 14 bolt and sterling are $94, everything else is $65.
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my biggest limiting factor in this build has been the fact that I have only one vehicle and that I was making that one vehicle less and less street worthy. I told myself I needed a beater that I could put a ton of miles on and would tow the JK just fine, so I picked up a 7.3. $3300 with only a bajillion miles on it. very well maintained, I keep finding more and more parts that are obviously not factory. the fuel tank even has shipping material on it still.

as for the build, waiting on the worlds smallest torque wrench.
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my biggest limiting factor in this build has been the fact that I have only one vehicle and that I was making that one vehicle less and less street worthy. I told myself I needed a beater that I could put a ton of miles on and would tow the JK just fine, so I picked up a 7.3. $3300 with only a bajillion miles on it. very well maintained, I keep finding more and more parts that are obviously not factory. the fuel tank even has shipping material on it still. as for the build, waiting on the worlds smallest torque wrench.
That's something I've been thinking about doing next year. Getting a daily driver and sitting the jeep on jack stands to do coil overs or ORI struts next year.
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That's something I've been thinking about doing next year. Getting a daily driver and sitting the jeep on jack stands to do coil overs or ORI struts next year.
It is definitely a relief! another reason is that I will be transferring duty stations within 2 years. when I transferred from San Diego I spent $1300 just to rent the Uhaul that got like 4 miles per gallon. the military pays for that, and I did make money, but if I already own a vehicle that can tow a house the truck will pay for itself!
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It is definitely a relief! another reason is that I will be transferring duty stations within 2 years. when I transferred from San Diego I spent $1300 just to rent the Uhaul that got like 4 miles per gallon. the military pays for that, and I did make money, but if I already own a vehicle that can tow a house the truck will pay for itself!
Yeah I know what you mean man, I would feel better about wheeling my jeep harder in the hammers if I towed it to and from.
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Yeah I know what you mean man, I would feel better about wheeling my jeep harder in the hammers if I towed it to and from.
Indeed. it isnt really the "getting home" part that has me worried, it is the "getting to work on monday after I shredded a ring gear" part that worries me. at least this way I always have a backup plan.

bad things happen to brand new vehicles when people get tow rigs. this 06 has like 16k on the dash...
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I wish I had half the ability you do to build axles like those. Nice work.
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I wish I had half the ability you do to build axles like those. Nice work.
I am not as good as I look! having issues getting the gear pattern just right. taking it to my rock bouncer buddy tomorrow to get things sorted out.

in other news, I traded a rifle scope for 2 14" Sway-Away race runner coilovers so I get to hack off those coil buckets that I spent so much time welding on. may just leave them on and use them as bump stop pads.
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got the ARB in the front and gears set up with the help of a buddy who has done it at least 1000 times. he really made it look easy.

if anybody is looking for a great diff cover, solid is selling theirs for $65 each. 14 bolt and sterling are $95. dear lord this thing is BEEF

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I am not as good as I look! having issues getting the gear pattern just right. taking it to my rock bouncer buddy tomorrow to get things sorted out.

in other news, I traded a rifle scope for 2 14" Sway-Away race runner coilovers so I get to hack off those coil buckets that I spent so much time welding on. may just leave them on and use them as bump stop pads.
Mmmm. Candy. Nice work!
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It felt so good to spend an entire day doing nothing but wrenching. no driving around, no spending money.



drilled out the knuckles, got the ARB working and put the cover on (hopefully for the last time), made magic happen with the torque wrench, installed the tie rod, ujoints are done, shafts are in, driver side even has brakes. ran into an issue with the superwinch hubs. I seem to be missing the springs that actually disengage the hub from the shaft. they are super crappy anyways and will probably explode the first time I put the jeep in 4wd so I may just get some drive slugs.
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It's always good day when do t spend money lol. Good stuff man, liking the build
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It's always good day when do t spend money lol. Good stuff man, liking the build
thanks!

the front axle is pretty much done. just need to get the coilovers, find some springs, and pull the dana 30 and see how it fits.

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