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Old 12-22-2013, 10:48 AM   #1
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Back in October I purchased my first Jeep, a 2000 Wrangler SE with roughly 102,000 miles on it. I paid $5,600 for it from a private party out on the west side of Phoenix. It's a basic SE model with a 4 cylinder and a 5 speed tranny. COMPLETELY stock - NO A/C - never modified. One thing I really wanted in a TJ was the full size doors - which this has. It needed a little TLC - The previous owner removed all of the side & back soft top windows along with the front carpeting. I bought a very slightly used replacement top off of craigslist for $300, including all hardware. The dashboard needed a new airbag cover - as some idiot decided to test out a can of white spray paint on it. Found a replacement of Ebay for $50. The instrument cluster housing had some major plastic glue residue on the top of it. Found an perfect OEM replacement - again on ebay for $18. The driver's lower seat cushion was torn and I was able to find the exact OEM vinyl from an upholstery supplier in Michigan. The vinyl cost me $150 and a local upholstery guy charged me $100 in labor to remake the lower cushion. All of the seats are now in excellent, original OEM condition. I removed all of the carpet and installed a new BEDRUG carpet kit - which I highly recommend. The kit installed in a couple of hours and looks amazing. I paid about $230 for both the front and rear kits (got a smoking deal on the front kit from an ebay auction). I also bought a new OEM JEEP logo rear tire cover for $50. The body and paint on the Jeep are both in amazing condition. I've spent quite a bit of time detailing it and it now looks like it almost came off the showroom floor. It runs and drives great, but I do want to go through the mechanicals and change all of the fluids, new spark plugs, etc. The previous owner installed a new battery right before I bought it, along with a new windshield. The tires will need to be replaced soon, as three of them are non-matching and worn quite a bit. Not too crazy about the steel OEM wheels on it. I'm thinking about getting a set of Canyon OEM style 15" replacements. Not sure how far I'll go with modding it - probably keep it more on the stock/oem side with some small upgrades over time. Overall I'm really pleased with it - it runs great. No shakes or shimmies on the highway. The only negative I see is that is has NO A/C, and I live in Arizona. I plan on keeping at our cabin during the summer months so the lack of A/C is no big deal.

I would like to say that I do appreciate all of the information that I get from this site. I have been a lurker for some time now, not registering until recently.

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Welcome to the Form........

That is a great looking Wrangler!

I am also here in Arizona with you, and its a great state to wheel in.

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No man, you're fine. If it is a problem a moderator will probably move it to the correct forum. Until then, welcome!

My SE is a 2003 and only has the half doors, but mine has AC and Jeep Ecco model alloy rims.

I highly recommend BFG All Terrain TA/KO tires in 31x10.5R15 tires for the SE with stock suspension. They are great on and off road and will last a very long time.

I upgraded my bumpers and added rocker panel protectors with slider rails that added a lot of strength to the tub in case of a side impact (in addition to their utility on the rocks).

I also added in a set of factory fog lights since the SE did not come with fogs. Note that the SE is not wired for fogs at all. It is not only missing the lights, but the wiring harness is not set up for fogs. This can be a problem.

My dealership has a top notch guy who used to build jeeps at the plant in Toledo and knows all the TJ systems inside and out. He wired them into the system simply and did a very professional job. I can show you how he did it with photographs if you ever need this done. Also, this guy (for free somehow) included the steering wheel Multifunction Switch unit. It costs a lot, so his price was *really* good. (I wonder whether he simply "liberated" it from the parts department stock shelves? Whatever.)

So my fogs use the stock Jeep switch on the turn signal stalk. It was a slick install. I do not like homemade switches, and many aftermarket switch kits look really blingy to me; not my cup of tea.

My SE (a 2003, by the way) came with the alloy Ecco rims but still had the 27" Goodyear Wrangler GSA travesties that came on the vehicle. I bought it when it was only six or seven months old. I think the BGF tires were the single best upgrade I have ever done to this particular Jeep. However, when you increase the tire height you throw off your speedometer and odometer.

There is a plastic gear with a metal spindle that goes into the transfer case. This is a fairly easy modification to do. It takes about an hour if you are as clueless as I was when I first did it. If you read up thoroughly on it and have everything you need when you start it can be done on the first shot in about a half hour.

Changing this gear out will correct your speedometer and your odometer and make your life much easier, because when you get larger tires the speedo reads low, meaning that you are rolling faster than it says. This can lead to tickets! So if you move up plan on changing that gear out!

People here can help you determine which one you will need.

Also, before the gear swap, download a GPS speedometer for your phone. Two things are at play here.

1.) Before GPS units with a speed indicator were common all vehicles read incorrectly, causing most to travel about 3 mph slower than what the speed claimed. This was supposedly to hep cut down on tickets and gas consumption, etc, like having your alignment cause you to pull slightly to the right so that if you fall asleep your vehicle will not roll into oncoming traffic but off the road to the right. So a 2000 vehicle like yours might read 3 mph or so higher than your actual speed. A GPS app on your phone will let you determine where you are right now with your current tires and speedo gear.

2.) My particular SE came with the gear for 31" tires installed. So it was way off with the built-in 3 mph safety discrepancy. It was 6 mph slower than my speedo told me. (No wonder I was always getting passed on the highway!) The TJs at that time had an available upgrade to 31" tires. I think that so many ordered this that the transfer case just came with that gear installed regardless of whether the 27" or 31" tires came on the vehicle's build order.

So you may already read fast and have the correct heat for 31" tires. Again, a phone app will allow you to see how far off you are (if any) with what is on the vehicle right now. Then, if you get larger tires you can see what happened to your readings. You might not have to change the gear. I bought the correct one for 31" tires and did the install, only to discover that I had the same exact gear already installed.

The gears are sold by the number of teeth they have, and are sort of color coded. If you remove yours and the color is the same you probably have two of the same one. They are clearly marked with a number, so you can confirm this. Mine was baby blue, but how many teeth it had I cannot remember.

From the dealership the prices vary wildly, based solely on what is most popular. They cost pennies to make but will sell for prices ranging from about $30 to $100. The one you will need is not popular and should be on the very low end of that scale in price.

There are aftermarket AC options for the TJ if you end up wanting to go that route, but they are expensive. I do not know whether you can easily install a junkyard system from another TJ, and I do not know whether the AC systems varied much between the 97-06 model years. But I am sure it *can* be done. As you stated, though: It probably will not be an issue for you.

You also will want to upgrade your headlights. You will be somewhat more pleased with Sylvania Silverstars, but they are expensive compared to normal halogen bulbs. They are not really more bright, but they are much more white. This helps me and a lot of others see somewhat better, but not some people. And they have had issues with quality control, so they can burn out very quickly. I know that AutoZone knows about this. If you keep your receipt and have a problem usually they will allow you to swap out the dead one for another new one, but I do not know how old it can be before they tell you no.

I just spent about $500 on Truck-Lites and am pleased as could be with them. I will probably not have to replace them for many years. I have problems seeing at night and these *really* helped me with that. However, you will probably never need something that fancy-schmancy.

A Jeep is like legos for grownups. Unlike a car and most trucks, everything can be taken off and swapped out for new or for an upgrade. There are not very many rivets holding parts together in assemblies. So broken parts can be taken off by themselves and usually do not need some costly subassembly to be installed only to replace a cheap, plastic part that wore out. (Well, mostly that is true.)

You got a nice, little rig for crawling around on rocks and such. The 4 cylinder 2.5L is a rugged, little engine. Mine has the higher output 2.4L engine that Jeep used on the SEs from 2003-2006. It is not as robust as the older 2.5L but is still a good block. Your 2.5L is easier to work on, though, and was in use for many more years, so parts and upgrades are easy to find online.

Your stock suspension will handle 31" tires well, and if you get 32x11.5R15 tires you do not need any suspension mods, either if you get aftermarket rims with less backspacing (meaning that they stick out farther than the stock rims). Less backspacing will ensure that you have no rubbing when the wheels are turned all the way to the stops.

Any larger tires will require a lift kit of some sort. And the 32s are pushing it. However, they are very popular here on unlighted TJs.

But depending on the gearing in your differentials you will probably find that the TJ 2.5L has very little guts on the highway, especially on hills, where it will lose speed even if you drop into 4th from 5th. So again, I would recommend only a 31" tire. That size seems to work and play well with a stock SE.

Good luck and have fun, man! Your Jeep is a real looker. Nice work on all your repairs and improvements.

One last thing I would recommend: I did the dashboard LED light upgrade that so many here are doing. It *really* made an improvement and cost very little. Search the archives for LED dash light upgrade and you will find several threads. Read up if you want to do this, as you need to know exactly which bulbs to get. And you have to tear apart a lot of stuff to get to the bulbs, but it is easy and fun (mostly). The difference will be worth it to you. Promise!

I included a photo of my 2003 SE back in 2004. It shows a nice AtoZ Fabrication front stubby bumper with factory fog lights, and BFGoodrich All Terrain TA/KO tires (31x10.5R15) on stock Ecco alloy rims to give you an idea of how well 31s fit and what the Ecco rims look like in case you had not seen them. The Canyons you mentioned are also quite nice. You can also see the great AtoZ Fabrications rocker panel guards with slider rails between the fender flares. And yes, it still sports the silly chrome grille inserts. I hate chrome on my jeeps, but for some reason like this little bit on the dark green grille. Oh well. Bling, bling bling... ;-)

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For being almost 15 years old, that's a great looking Wrangler! Congrats!
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I kinda like the stock steelies. It has that classic look. But, I'm a big fan of keeping a vehicle stock.
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Holy crap that's one hell of a post ^^

Moved btw

Since you listed all your mods already. I put the thread in the build area. I am going to rename the title if that's ok ?
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Old 12-22-2013, 09:52 PM   #8
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Perfectly fine with me. Thanks for moving it. I guess I did not think of it as a "build", but it probably is one....
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No man, you're fine. If it is a problem a moderator will probably move it to the correct forum. Until then, welcome!

My SE is a 2003 and only has the half doors, but mine has AC and Jeep Ecco model alloy rims.

I highly recommend BFG All Terrain TA/KO tires in 31x10.5R15 tires for the SE with stock suspension. They are great on and off road and will last a very long time.

I upgraded my bumpers and added rocker panel protectors with slider rails that added a lot of strength to the tub in case of a side impact (in addition to their utility on the rocks).

I also added in a set of factory fog lights since the SE did not come with fogs. Note that the SE is not wired for fogs at all. It is not only missing the lights, but the wiring harness is not set up for fogs. This can be a problem.

My dealership has a top notch guy who used to build jeeps at the plant in Toledo and knows all the TJ systems inside and out. He wired them into the system simply and did a very professional job. I can show you how he did it with photographs if you ever need this done. Also, this guy (for free somehow) included the steering wheel Multifunction Switch unit. It costs a lot, so his price was *really* good. (I wonder whether he simply "liberated" it from the parts department stock shelves? Whatever.)

So my fogs use the stock Jeep switch on the turn signal stalk. It was a slick install. I do not like homemade switches, and many aftermarket switch kits look really blingy to me; not my cup of tea.

My SE (a 2003, by the way) came with the alloy Ecco rims but still had the 27" Goodyear Wrangler GSA travesties that came on the vehicle. I bought it when it was only six or seven months old. I think the BGF tires were the single best upgrade I have ever done to this particular Jeep. However, when you increase the tire height you throw off your speedometer and odometer.

There is a plastic gear with a metal spindle that goes into the transfer case. This is a fairly easy modification to do. It takes about an hour if you are as clueless as I was when I first did it. If you read up thoroughly on it and have everything you need when you start it can be done on the first shot in about a half hour.

Changing this gear out will correct your speedometer and your odometer and make your life much easier, because when you get larger tires the speedo reads low, meaning that you are rolling faster than it says. This can lead to tickets! So if you move up plan on changing that gear out!

People here can help you determine which one you will need.

Also, before the gear swap, download a GPS speedometer for your phone. Two things are at play here.

1.) Before GPS units with a speed indicator were common all vehicles read incorrectly, causing most to travel about 3 mph slower than what the speed claimed. This was supposedly to hep cut down on tickets and gas consumption, etc, like having your alignment cause you to pull slightly to the right so that if you fall asleep your vehicle will not roll into oncoming traffic but off the road to the right. So a 2000 vehicle like yours might read 3 mph or so higher than your actual speed. A GPS app on your phone will let you determine where you are right now with your current tires and speedo gear.

2.) My particular SE came with the gear for 31" tires installed. So it was way off with the built-in 3 mph safety discrepancy. It was 6 mph slower than my speedo told me. (No wonder I was always getting passed on the highway!) The TJs at that time had an available upgrade to 31" tires. I think that so many ordered this that the transfer case just came with that gear installed regardless of whether the 27" or 31" tires came on the vehicle's build order.

So you may already read fast and have the correct heat for 31" tires. Again, a phone app will allow you to see how far off you are (if any) with what is on the vehicle right now. Then, if you get larger tires you can see what happened to your readings. You might not have to change the gear. I bought the correct one for 31" tires and did the install, only to discover that I had the same exact gear already installed.

The gears are sold by the number of teeth they have, and are sort of color coded. If you remove yours and the color is the same you probably have two of the same one. They are clearly marked with a number, so you can confirm this. Mine was baby blue, but how many teeth it had I cannot remember.

From the dealership the prices vary wildly, based solely on what is most popular. They cost pennies to make but will sell for prices ranging from about $30 to $100. The one you will need is not popular and should be on the very low end of that scale in price.

There are aftermarket AC options for the TJ if you end up wanting to go that route, but they are expensive. I do not know whether you can easily install a junkyard system from another TJ, and I do not know whether the AC systems varied much between the 97-06 model years. But I am sure it *can* be done. As you stated, though: It probably will not be an issue for you.

You also will want to upgrade your headlights. You will be somewhat more pleased with Sylvania Silverstars, but they are expensive compared to normal halogen bulbs. They are not really more bright, but they are much more white. This helps me and a lot of others see somewhat better, but not some people. And they have had issues with quality control, so they can burn out very quickly. I know that AutoZone knows about this. If you keep your receipt and have a problem usually they will allow you to swap out the dead one for another new one, but I do not know how old it can be before they tell you no.

I just spent about $500 on Truck-Lites and am pleased as could be with them. I will probably not have to replace them for many years. I have problems seeing at night and these *really* helped me with that. However, you will probably never need something that fancy-schmancy.

A Jeep is like legos for grownups. Unlike a car and most trucks, everything can be taken off and swapped out for new or for an upgrade. There are not very many rivets holding parts together in assemblies. So broken parts can be taken off by themselves and usually do not need some costly subassembly to be installed only to replace a cheap, plastic part that wore out. (Well, mostly that is true.)

You got a nice, little rig for crawling around on rocks and such. The 4 cylinder 2.5L is a rugged, little engine. Mine has the higher output 2.4L engine that Jeep used on the SEs from 2003-2006. It is not as robust as the older 2.5L but is still a good block. Your 2.5L is easier to work on, though, and was in use for many more years, so parts and upgrades are easy to find online.

Your stock suspension will handle 31" tires well, and if you get 32x11.5R15 tires you do not need any suspension mods, either if you get aftermarket rims with less backspacing (meaning that they stick out farther than the stock rims). Less backspacing will ensure that you have no rubbing when the wheels are turned all the way to the stops.

Any larger tires will require a lift kit of some sort. And the 32s are pushing it. However, they are very popular here on unlighted TJs.

But depending on the gearing in your differentials you will probably find that the TJ 2.5L has very little guts on the highway, especially on hills, where it will lose speed even if you drop into 4th from 5th. So again, I would recommend only a 31" tire. That size seems to work and play well with a stock SE.

Good luck and have fun, man! Your Jeep is a real looker. Nice work on all your repairs and improvements.

One last thing I would recommend: I did the dashboard LED light upgrade that so many here are doing. It *really* made an improvement and cost very little. Search the archives for LED dash light upgrade and you will find several threads. Read up if you want to do this, as you need to know exactly which bulbs to get. And you have to tear apart a lot of stuff to get to the bulbs, but it is easy and fun (mostly). The difference will be worth it to you. Promise!

I included a photo of my 2003 SE back in 2004. It shows a nice AtoZ Fabrication front stubby bumper with factory fog lights, and BFGoodrich All Terrain TA/KO tires (31x10.5R15) on stock Ecco alloy rims to give you an idea of how well 31s fit and what the Ecco rims look like in case you had not seen them. The Canyons you mentioned are also quite nice. You can also see the great AtoZ Fabrications rocker panel guards with slider rails between the fender flares. And yes, it still sports the silly chrome grille inserts. I hate chrome on my jeeps, but for some reason like this little bit on the dark green grille. Oh well. Bling, bling bling... ;-)

Wade
Thanks for all of the great ideas Wade....Sometime this year I want to do the fog lite thing....not so much for fog (we done have much fog here in Arizona), but just extra driving light while up in the mountains. I appreciate the long post with some great ideas...
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Here is a pic of it with some new wheels & tires. I went with a set of Hercules Terra Trac R/S tires with some new OEM style 15" wheels from OEMwheels. The tires where fairly reasonable - I think I paid about $90 bucks a piece for them from onlinetires.com.
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A few weeks back I noticed that my radiator had a small leak. Made the decision that after 14 years and 103,000 miles its probably time to revamp the cooling system. I ordered a new OEM mopar radiator on ebay (Bill Marsh Parts - Michigan) for $218 shipped. I also ended up ordering a new water pump, thermostat, upper & lower radiator hoses. Initially I bought an OEM water pump from AVONDALE WHOLESALE PARTS. I was somewhat suprised when I received it. For an OEM part the quality of the casting was definately lacking. No where on the water pump was there any designation that it was an original MOPAR part. No mopar logo, no chrysler logo, etc. Just a plain water pump in a plain white box. I know the prices of these water pumps can vary a lot - inexpensive ones on ebay can be bought for less than $40. I ended up returning the OEM water pump and buying a Gates water pump from NAPA. The Gates appears to be better constructed. Casting is more smooth & precise. The area where the water hose connects to is better looking with a more finished appearance. I paid less than $40 for the NAPA/Gates part. Somehow I feel that the OEM part was a knockoff - or else Chrysler is using shoddy suppliers.
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