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Old 08-14-2006, 12:07 PM   #1
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starting a new build

I'm starting a build on a 98 TJ Sport.

Already have a bunch of crap like bikini top, windjammer, tonneau, etc. from my last TJ, so I get to focus on the big nasty stuff.

I have a long list in my head, so after I start my teardown, we'll see how to prioritize it.

So far, it goes like this:
~4-5" of lift
beadlocks
tires (undecided, but I love the IROKS)
regearing
ARB's front/rear
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Old 08-14-2006, 01:07 PM   #2
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sounds good...what type of lift are you lookin at...how much are you drivin on the street and how much off road?

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Old 08-14-2006, 02:10 PM   #3
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Haven't priced out lifts yet...

as far as street/trail ratio...probably 75-80% trail, with the street driving mainly limited to short rides around Newnan, no interstate, not much over 50 miles in a day. Thats what my truck is for.
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Old 08-14-2006, 03:05 PM   #4
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rough country is probably the most bang for the buck...4 inch rough country lift is complete and very good for only $530...as for tires...iroks are good along with bfg's and mtr's but since most of your driving will be trail then you could go with a more agrresive tire like the irok or another swamper...what size tire do you wanna run? if you install a 4 inch lift then 33's would probably be the best size for the most flex although you could fit bigger like 35's but if your doin mostly trail then 33's are better cause there is more room to flex
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Old 08-14-2006, 06:18 PM   #5
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Sounds like a cool project. since it's mostly a trail rig, are you going to go with a long arm lift?
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Old 08-14-2006, 09:45 PM   #6
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long arm would be so awesome for offroad...and you will DEFINITELY need it if you go above 4 inches in suspension lift...you don't have to have it with just a 4" lift but it would really be awesome on the trail...although they are very expensive
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Old 08-15-2006, 06:21 AM   #7
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I'll probably end up going with a long arm setup because I'm not doing this jeep in stages like i've done in the past.
Anybody know appox. how much I'll need to clear 36's? I havent decided if I'm going to bob the back and flatfender the front yet. I'd like to leave the body as close to stock as possible, but I'll do what needs to be done.

I had forgotten how (relatively) cheap jeep lifts and parts were. To lift my Tacoma over 4" with anything other than a body lift, i was looking at close to 1200.
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Old 08-15-2006, 07:44 AM   #8
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you can clear 36's with a 6" long arm...and you can always do a 1" body lift if you need a little more clearance...your thinkin' about 36" iroks right?
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Yeah, I'm leaning toward IROK's. I can get a set of 37" krawlers for a reasonable price but I dont do that much rock crawilng.

A friend of mine has a WEROCK buggy and he gets a few sets of tires a season through one of his sponsers.
Anybody know how well they handle dirt/mud/asphalt? They seem REALLY soft (you can poke a fingernail in easily).
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on asphalt there probably absolutely terrible and wear really bad...they should handle pretty well on the other terrains
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Yeah, I'm leaning toward IROK's. I can get a set of 37" krawlers for a reasonable price but I dont do that much rock crawilng.

A friend of mine has a WEROCK buggy and he gets a few sets of tires a season through one of his sponsers.
Anybody know how well they handle dirt/mud/asphalt? They seem REALLY soft (you can poke a fingernail in easily).
The competition Crawlers (Red Label) wear VERY quickly on the road. I know you would get less than 5,000 miles out of them. They are great for almost any trail running that you are looking to do though. If you can get them cheap enough, you could run a second set of tires for around town only.
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I assume thats what he runs.
I will probably have 2 sets anyway, but I know myself and if the Krawlers are on it, and I want to go out in it, guess what tires I'll be on. For this reason, I'm thinking harder about IROKS. I know some Hummer guys getting 25-30000 miles on them. And a TJ doesn't weigh anywhere near as much as an H1.
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you will get at least decent mileage out of the iroks...better than the krawlers because there so sticky so that they can stick to the rocks which means they wear faster
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I saw you mentioned earlier about it being cheap to lift a jeep and that a 4" lift on your Toy cost around 1200. Well I had to tell you, but in order to outfit your jeep with a long arm setup to clear your 36's you are going to spend more than 1200 bucks. I've got over 5k into my jeep and i'm still running stock gearing and stock axles. Hindsight tells me the lift I went with wasn't exactly what I was looking for, but I paid a lot less for it than it costs now. But after lift, wheels, tires, lockers, sliders, trac bar/bracket (which most lifts come with mine didn't), SYE/New DShaft you start talking about serious dollars going into your vehicle.

Also rolling any bias ply tire on the street whether it be a Krawler, Swamper, Baja Claw, Maxis etc... you won't get more than 6 months out of them. Yeah, they are far superior off the road, but you get a non radial tire on the street and you might as well just start throwing money out behind you when you drive.
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Old 08-15-2006, 04:46 PM   #15
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agree...you can get a 4 inch SHORT ARM lift for way cheaper than $1200...but long arm is a different story...i've seen MANY that go well over $2000...and about the cheapest i've seen is well over $1500 but it's worth it
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agree...you can get a 4 inch SHORT ARM lift for way cheaper than $1200...but long arm is a different story...i've seen MANY that go well over $2000...and about the cheapest i've seen is well over $1500 but it's worth it
DUDE!!!! Do you get a sore neck from whiplash from changing views so quickly????

Edit: You are right this time though. Long arm kits plus tires will be WAY more than $1200.
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earlier when i said it was cheaper i was referring to a short arm and then we started referring and talking about long arm...theres a huge price difference i know

EDIT- i never said it wasn't expensive
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Guess I can re-adjust my price lists.

And as far as Toy lifts, once you get over 3" (not 4" as I said earlier) of suspension lift, you have to start doing diff drops on the front because of the cv angles. Thats where the prices just start compounding. Dang IFS. and because you've dropped your diff so far out of its normal spot, you have to add skids or it'll get killed.
You also have to do steering extensions, and once you get up to 35" tires, you are gonna have to replace the stock rack & pinion setup all together. I've been stuck on the trail at night trying to swap out a stock steering rack because it popped off the crossmember.
EDIT-The 1200 figure I threw out there before was a basic 3" lift, no drops, or anything, just springs/shocks.
It actually comes out cheaper to throw the ifs out and swap in a straight axel if you figure in everything, and thats about 5-8k (or more).

So in the end, I guess jeeps are still cheap to lift. Everything is relative.
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I have never seen anyone on here talk about them, but i run Groundhawgs, and i love them. This is my second set, i ran 40s on my dodge ram, which i drove about 50 miles a day and I sold them after a 1 1/2 years of use with more then half tread left on them. They ride great on the road, last forever, great in the mud and sand and pretty much everything else i have found, and they are pretty cheap, 200 bucks a tire.
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Aren't Groundhawgs a really hard compound compared to the others on the market now? That would definitly make them last longer on the road.
I don't know that I've even seen anyone around here with them in the last 10 years.
Seems like I heard someone saying they weren't much good on the rocks, that they'd just spin (if you had enough power). I don't know how true this is, just what I've heard.

I will actually avoid a mudhole if possible 9 times out of 10, so I'm not really looking for a "mud tire"...especially if I give up traction in some other area.
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10 4, i have no clue how they are on the rocks, we have none where i wheel. They are great in the mud, and i think i, along with my good friend, are the only people in town with these tires. You dont ever see them, dont know why. But if i was you, i would probably steer away from these tires if you dont plan on muddin.

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