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Old 08-24-2013, 08:13 AM   #1
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Thank God it is finished

I finnally finished my 1999 TJ. 4", ion wheels, and 33 12.5. Looks great. Have a few questions thoe... would you rather buy the tc drop pucks, or buy some swuare steel tubing/piping?

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With a 4" lift you should be putting in a SYE and cv shaft, together with a 1.25" body lift and 1" motor mount lift you can then get a lower profile TC skid instead of making the stock shovel hang down further and negating the lift.

If your determined to drop your TC though, it doesn't matter what you use, the square tubing might be a little stronger than pucks, but you should be extra careful not to hit anything with it anyway as it is now the stopping block attached to your transmission and transfer case.

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Old 08-24-2013, 08:28 AM   #3
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I came here for the pics, No Pics!!
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and you thought you were done........lol
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Old 08-24-2013, 08:30 AM   #5
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Either I ran washers on my first 2 jeeps . SYE / DC is the only way to go .
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Old 08-24-2013, 08:36 AM   #6
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SYE/DS combo...........TC case drops are for "hacks". Carolina Driveline sells an AA SYE/DS kit for $399 w/lifetime warranty.
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Is it absolutely neccasary to run a sye? And what excactly do they do? Pics coming soon..
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Old 08-24-2013, 08:40 AM   #8
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Is it absolutely neccasary to run a sye? And what excactly do they do? Pics coming soon..
A 4" SA SL on a TJ? Yeah a SYE/DS is necessary. I run one on a 2" lift on an LJ. Pony up the $400 and do it right.
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Is it absolutely neccasary to run a sye? And what excactly do they do? Pics coming soon..
In conjunction with a properly set pinion angle it stops you from tearing up your jeeps drivetrain.
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Old 08-24-2013, 08:55 AM   #10
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I was talking to a few people. Guy i know, he buys R-titled wranglers, fixes um, puts um in a frame machine, lifts um and sells um. He has probably built 160 170 of them. But anyways, he told me that a transfer case drop is all i need. Sye/ds is a waiste of the money unless you are doing tons of off roading
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Yeah, if you don't need the clearance under the rig and/or the lift is just for tires and show, a t-case drop big enough to stop vibrations is all you need.
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Well, " drop wont look too bad. And i like going through some mudholes but having a strictly offroad buggy is not what i have. I just dont want to tear out my drive shaft or tear up my u joints in a mudhole
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I was talking to a few people. Guy i know, he buys R-titled wranglers, fixes um, puts um in a frame machine, lifts um and sells um. He has probably built 160 170 of them. But anyways, he told me that a transfer case drop is all i need. Sye/ds is a waiste of the money unless you are doing tons of off roading
So think about that. The guy you know is in the business of buying and reselling Jeeps for profit. Do you really think he is going to spend money to do something "right" instead of something that "works"? Of course not he would just be eating in to his profit.

The TC drop will likely work especially if the lift and tires are just for looks. With that said I think that transfers case skid hanging down is pretty darn ugly stock let alone dropped.

If you like going through mud even more reason to have it raised not lowered.

It's your Jeep though, so your choice.
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I was talking to a few people. Guy i know, he buys R-titled wranglers, fixes um, puts um in a frame machine, lifts um and sells um. He has probably built 160 170 of them. But anyways, he told me that a transfer case drop is all i need. Sye/ds is a waiste of the money unless you are doing tons of off roading
That Guys a moron I overlooked you had a 4" lift . So you lift 4" and drop skid 2" what's the point of the lift ?
A waste of money? SYE/DC makes the lift job 100% right a drop skid is a hack job .
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4" SL with a 2" TC case drop for 33's.............well this is WIN build...........lol!
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Here's where I hate the forums. The OP said nothing about SYE/DS but it always goes back to it. Maybe he put the lift on to clear the tires without having to buy MC fenders and give up his first born for them! Second question was is it necessary- no it's not. You still get the driveline angle close to original, is it better? Yes but that doesn't make it a "hack" job. It is okay to use the spacers then save for SYE,especially if he's not really doing a lot of wheelin.
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Here's where I hate the forums. The OP said nothing about SYE/DS but it always goes back to it. Maybe he put the lift on to clear the tires without having to buy MC fenders and give up his first born for them! Second question was is it necessary- no it's not. You still get the driveline angle close to original, is it better? Yes but that doesn't make it a "hack" job. It is okay to use the spacers then save for SYE,especially if he's not really doing a lot of wheelin.
If he isn't doing a lot of wheeling then a 4" lift for 33's is not needed. He would have been better off with a 2" lift for a street vehicle on 33's.

So with a 4" suspension lift you are going to DROP the transfer case around 2 inches? Enjoy fiddling with the tranny/tc linkage on a drop like that. To me it is a hack way of trying to solve one issue while creating other small issues along the way.

No logical thought was put into the build.
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If he isn't doing a lot of wheeling then a 4" lift for 33's is not needed. He would have been better off with a 2" lift for a street vehicle on 33's.

So with a 4" suspension lift you are going to DROP the transfer case around 2 inches? Enjoy fiddling with the tranny/tc linkage on a drop like that. To me it is a hack way of trying to solve one issue while creating other small issues along the way.

No logical thought was put into the build.
I was just assuming why he did it but really pointing out that there are so many times the questions are not answered but everyone's 2 cents is put into the convo when it wasn't asked for! Hell maybe he just wanted a huge gap between tire and fender. It would be different if he actually asked for opinions on how to build it.
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OP looking forward to your pics. As far as your T case goes,
Good luck with whatever you choose. I have a friend (well she is more my wife's friend) who used a 1 inch square tubing to lower the skid to cure drive line angles. She has 4 inch suspension and 35's Jeep looks nice, one day she was at the house and my Jeep was parked next to hers and my wife walked by and said, wow her tires look great but what is that thing underneath that hangs so low. It does not look right. It stopped me short and we talked for a minute and I was explaining what was what. She (my wife) told me she was glad I did not have to lower mine. (I used a SYE when we built it)

I said all of this because my wife a novice Jeeper and NOT a car person at all (she barely knows where you put the gas haha) noticed the drop within 30 seconds.

Now, I have not ridden in our friends Jeep, but my wife has and did not notice any vibes, but I know her friend has had U joint troubles, and leaky pinions, and a bad leak or two. I think is a result of not running a SYE.

As far as mods go its one of the cheaper things to do to a Jeep. On or off road. and I will venture that the biggest advantage will be on road because of the increased speeds.

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Here's where I hate the forums. The OP said nothing about SYE/DS but it always goes back to it. Maybe he put the lift on to clear the tires without having to buy MC fenders and give up his first born for them! Second question was is it necessary- no it's not. You still get the driveline angle close to original, is it better? Yes but that doesn't make it a "hack" job. It is okay to use the spacers then save for SYE,especially if he's not really doing a lot of wheelin.
Heres where I have an issue too, no one said anything about MetalCloak or any other brand of anything, no one said he should dump a bunch more cash in his Jeep to make it one thing or other, no one is making any assumptions, we know a 4" lift is what he wanted, and did, we know what it takes for a 4" lift to work properly, we know what problems he will have if he doesn't do the SYE/CV, we know what problems he will have trying to make the drop work, linkages and scooping up road kill with the shovel.

In a perfect world people would do a little reading about lifts and what it takes instead of reading nothing more than the price and description on the dealers website.
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Here's where I hate the forums. The OP said nothing about SYE/DS but it always goes back to it. Maybe he put the lift on to clear the tires without having to buy MC fenders and give up his first born for them! Second question was is it necessary- no it's not. You still get the driveline angle close to original, is it better? Yes but that doesn't make it a "hack" job. It is okay to use the spacers then save for SYE,especially if he's not really doing a lot of wheelin.
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Excactly. Im only doing a 1" tc drop, just to get rid of vibrations. I have my tj for a(n) everyday vehicle, and the occasional weekend mud bugging. Not creating a rig by no means. Just a sharp looking jeep that "I" am happy with.
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4" SL with a 2" TC case drop for 33's.............well this is WIN build...........lol!
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If he isn't doing a lot of wheeling then a 4" lift for 33's is not needed. He would have been better off with a 2" lift for a street vehicle on 33's.

So with a 4" suspension lift you are going to DROP the transfer case around 2 inches? Enjoy fiddling with the tranny/tc linkage on a drop like that. To me it is a hack way of trying to solve one issue while creating other small issues along the way.

No logical thought was put into the build.
I don't understand why people always have to act like this. Its a jeep forum, not a forum to talk bad, and give your rotten 2 cents. All i wanted was opinions on which one to take. Hell, there's only probably 20 people on the forum that use it to talk and discuss jeeps. Everyone else always has to diss or make fun just because they think their so called "rig" is better than everyone elses...
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OP looking forward to your pics. As far as your T case goes,
Good luck with whatever you choose. I have a friend (well she is more my wife's friend) who used a 1 inch square tubing to lower the skid to cure drive line angles. She has 4 inch suspension and 35's Jeep looks nice, one day she was at the house and my Jeep was parked next to hers and my wife walked by and said, wow her tires look great but what is that thing underneath that hangs so low. It does not look right. It stopped me short and we talked for a minute and I was explaining what was what. She (my wife) told me she was glad I did not have to lower mine. (I used a SYE when we built it)

I said all of this because my wife a novice Jeeper and NOT a car person at all (she barely knows where you put the gas haha) noticed the drop within 30 seconds.

Now, I have not ridden in our friends Jeep, but my wife has and did not notice any vibes, but I know her friend has had U joint troubles, and leaky pinions, and a bad leak or two. I think is a result of not running a SYE.

As far as mods go its one of the cheaper things to do to a Jeep. On or off road. and I will venture that the biggest advantage will be on road because of the increased speeds.

Good luck in your decision.
Sorry, i had to work today and forgot about the pics!!! They will be up before noon tommorow!
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I don't understand why people always have to act like this. Its a jeep forum, not a forum to talk bad, and give your rotten 2 cents. All i wanted was opinions on which one to take. Hell, there's only probably 20 people on the forum that use it to talk and discuss jeeps. Everyone else always has to diss or make fun just because they think their so called "rig" is better than everyone elses...
I agree, to each his own my friend. I've got a 04 tj with a 2.5" RC lift (people absolutely despise RC on here, but I like it) a 1.25" JKS BL, and 33x12.5's. In the distant future I'll pick up some MetalCloak front fenders, upgrade to a 3" zone lift, and maybe throw a locker on my rear axle. So whatever you want to do to your jeep, do it, that's why no jeep is the same. More power to ya good luck
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So you spent money on a 4" lift.. now your going to spend more money on a 2" tc drop. So now you'll have the clearance of a 2" lift. Sooo why didn't you just save money and buy a 2" lift from the get go?

That's like buying a sports car with a V8 and removing the v8 just to put a little 4 banger in it. Why?
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So you spent money on a 4" lift.. now your going to spend more money on a 2" tc drop. So now you'll have the clearance of a 2" lift. Sooo why didn't you just save money and buy a 2" lift from the get go?

That's like buying a sports car with a V8 and removing the v8 just to put a little 4 banger in it. Why?
OP would have to answer but I went with the 4" knowing I would run 35" in the future so I didn't have to do the lift twice. I used the TC drop until I could get SYE/DS. I would assume its his first build, as it was mine. I guess some guys just have the perfect build on their first go around.( and they forget they were new to it at one point.)
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Excactly. Im only doing a 1" tc drop, just to get rid of vibrations. I have my tj for a(n) everyday vehicle, and the occasional weekend mud bugging. Not creating a rig by no means. Just a sharp looking jeep that "I" am happy with.
There you go, that's what matters.

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