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Old 01-02-2011, 09:09 PM   #1
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Coming back to jeeps with a build

hey guys, good evening. after selling my horribly shitty 95 wrangler a year ago, i suddenly feel like i lost the funnest car ive owned. so ive been doing a little research and have come up with a somewhat budget friendly build project that i will be taking on in this next year. ill be starting off with another 95 (hopefully) YJ and rip into it from there. i plan on bed coating basically everything, no paint.

here is the list of parts ive come up with so far. i would appreciate any advice/criticism, tips, and anything else you guys think, open to any suggestions.

Drivetrain
LS1 (preferably) or LT1 engine refreshed, Hedman Elite In-frame headers
Novak Wiring Harness and ECU Flash
NV4500 Transmission (Dodge Version)
Dana 300 T-Case (upgrading the weak shaft)
Dana 44 Axles, 4.88 gears. (don't know a whole lot about gears so help from people who have similar setups would be appreciated)

Wheels & Tires
15x10 Black Wheels, Maybe Procomp series 152 in gloss
35" Tires (What do you guys recommend for mostly street and decent offroad?)
Brake Booster off Chevy 2500 or similar (Don't think the stock YJ will hold up well)

Suspension Lift
3.5-4" Sky jacker lift (or similar)
2-3" Body Lift (Undecided manufacturer)

Other Goodies
XRC Rock Crawler WinchBumpers by smittybuilt with hoop.
Smittybuilt XRC rock sliders
Smittybuilt XRC* Comp Series winch w/synthetic rope and matching fairlead.
Warrior Products Mirror and light combo bracket
Probably 4 offroad lights

Def need advice on gearing, adaptors, mounts, radiator, guage hookup, and drive shafts (CV style or not?)

Thanks guys, I cannot wait on getting back in a Jeep

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Parts list looks to be about 12K-15K, you wanna spend that much plus do all the work?
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If you can find one with a healthy 4.0, it will save a lot of time and money over a V8 conv.

For mostly street use I wouldn't go over 33" tires.

Don't do a body lift over 1"

Good factory radiator w/elec taurus fan will cool just about anything
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Just curious as to why you spend all of the time and money on the v8, but would only do a skyjacker lift, a massive body lift, and smittybilt gear?
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Just curious as to why you spend all of the time and money on the v8, but would only do a skyjacker lift, a massive body lift, and smittybilt gear?
Well i'm still new to modifying suspensions and whatnot, completely read the suspension thread for help, but this is all why i'm here.

as far as why the V8?....I don't know where you guys but up in cleveland LT1's that are running are about 350-400 bucks, NV4500 have been listed at 500, and dana 300's between 3 and 500, so it makes sense, super reliable, and who doesnt want a V8 with decent gas milage. even LS1's are 1200 and under. As to why smittybuilt? Ive looked at some of the stuff in some magazines and online, I like the way they look, seem to be built well, and is relatively cheap. I'm sure I'm a lil nieve about the whole thing, but it doesnt seem like the biggest job in the world.

These parts arent set in stone, this is what forums are for.
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I'd run as far as I could from an LT1, they are their own engine and nothing interchanges.
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If you can find one with a healthy 4.0, it will save a lot of time and money over a V8 conv.

For mostly street use I wouldn't go over 33" tires.

Don't do a body lift over 1"

Good factory radiator w/elec taurus fan will cool just about anything
Thanks for the advice. I've been wrestling over 35 vs 33 since i began planning this. Pros and cons on both sides but i think since itll be mostly on the street, for gas and gearing sake i may just go with 33in tires.
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Not to hi jack the thread, but I've been bitten by the jeep bug pretty bad. I have a paid for ls1 doner car(although car is in perfect condition) and was wondering what you guys think of doing an ls1 swap. With the doner what would you guys think the cost would be, no labor I have acess to a complete shop, and how long do you think the nv3550 would hold up with an ls1?
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Not to hi jack the thread, but I've been bitten by the jeep bug pretty bad. I have a paid for ls1 doner car(although car is in perfect condition) and was wondering what you guys think of doing an ls1 swap. With the doner what would you guys think the cost would be, no labor I have acess to a complete shop, and how long do you think the nv3550 would hold up with an ls1?
the ls1 is not that uncommon of a swap, lots of guys have done it and it looks like novak is the way to go for a lot of things, im getting all my research done early, and they seem to have a good bead on things from mounts to harness and ecu flashing.

according to their site the 3550 seems to be a good candidate, im aiming for the 4500 because its out of a cummins ram, so i know it can take the abuse of a fairly high performance engine. obviously im not speaking from experience just yet, but im doing a lot of reading and this is what i've learned so far.
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Ok Revised the list a bit, tell me what you guys think.

Drivetrain
LS1 (preferably) or Dodge 5.2, Hedman Elite In-frame headers
Novak Wiring Harness and ECU Flash
NV4500 Transmission (Dodge Version) or NV3550 (What do you guys think?)
Dana 300 T-Case (upgrading the weak shaft)
Dana 44 Axles, or 14/10 bolt combo out of a chevy.

Wheels & Tires
15x10 Black Wheels, Maybe Procomp series 152 in gloss
33" Tires (What do you guys recommend for mostly street and decent offroad?)
Brake Booster off Chevy 2500 or similar (Don't think the stock YJ will hold up well)

Suspension Lift
3-4" Rough Country Lift

Other Goodies
XRC Rock Crawler WinchBumpers by smittybuilt with hoop.
Smittybuilt XRC rock sliders
Smittybuilt XRC* Comp Series winch w/synthetic rope and matching fairlead.
Warrior Products Mirror and light combo bracket
Probably 4 offroad lights

Def need advice on gearing, adaptors, mounts, radiator, guage hookup, and drive shafts (CV style or not?)
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Ide skip the Dana 44s or 10bolt.A dana 44 ujoint is only as big as the late YJs ujoint.No stregnth gain.Unless you are breaking gears the 44 is a waste other than to have real locking hubs.

33-35s on a 14 bolt.Youd get hung up on a piece of paper.

Ide put an 8.8 in the back and start there
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Agreed on the ford 8.8 rear axle, but as far as the lift goes why not an SOA? Save money, getter better clearence, gain lift height, and keep stock ride. Not to throw Ibuildembig under the bus, but so far it looks like that's the person u need to talk to about doing an SOA
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LOL under the bus? Nooooooo not that

My 2 cents on your project, figure out what you wanna do and go for it. I am getting ready to do a jeep for myself and its gonna have a 60 front and a 10.25 rear on 35's....but that's just me. The beauty of jeeps is that they are a blank canvas for you to make whatever you want out of. The biggest problem with 80 percent of jeepers is they try to make their jeep just like someone elses, or take opinions as fact when regarding upgrades. I've always been an outside the box kinda guy....or as my parents call me...a non-conformist lol I take pride in making one off rigs, and doing simple little things that most won't think of. That being said an 8.8 will serve you well and will hold the power of a LS1 with ease, after all a 302 in an explorer is a pretty hot motor and in alot heavier rig. As far as the front goes, you can buy alloy axles for it if you want. I would definately recommend a spring over instead of lift springs. The flex is better, the ride is unmatched, and you can clear 33's with ease even at full tilt.
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Old 02-03-2011, 12:46 PM   #15
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well the purpose of this build is to be budget friendly, decent on gas, fun, stand out a little, and to last a really really long time without breaking.

that's the reason i picked the nv4500 and dana300 t case, as much as i've read they are strong as hell and are resilient to breaking.

where I'm completely lost is the axles, ive heard so many different things about axles and which one. the 8.8 is strong, but I want something a little wider. my buddy has a 14 bolt in his 1 ton 4x4, its a full floater and basically indestructible, which is what i'm looking for. i don't mind going out of the box but need help here and there.

also after reading what you guys have said I probably will go for the SOA instead and avoid problems with changing the suspension. other than that everything seems to be small compared to getting the drive train set up
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imo 14bolts are junk, they hang down too far, the axle seals leak like an sob. I would rather use a 10.25, they are plentiful, cheap, tough as nails, and the drums come off easy to access the brakes instead of pulling the whole shaft out. If your gonna do that, you might as well put a 60 front in it. Dana 300 strong? That's debatable....I have two buddies who bust something off them on a regular basis. And you can't get big yokes for them. Strongest stock case you can get? An NP205 hands down....you could buck up for an atlas and have the best of both worlds.
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the thing that drew me to the dana300 the most was that it shifts in drives internally and you dont have any changes in the axles, like the hydrilic system that comes from the factory, i just wanted it simple since obviously i'm too keen on the axles.

what manual case would you suggest for easy of installation and enough strength to handle the 5.2 (which im leaning towards now) even if i built it up a little down the road?
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Do what? You lost me on shifts and drives internally.....another thing you have to think about is the D300 is passenger side drop for the front axle and all wrangler are drivers side drop. I plan using a NP205 in mine simply because I have some laying around and I've never witnessed one breaking even with 2K horse thrown at um. Stock v8's of any kind don't have enough power to hurt a NP231 honestly as long as your chain is good I'd run that.
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What about an NP 231 could that hold up to a 5.2?
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Yeah that's I what I said if the chain was good I'd run it.....I'd venture to say even a 6.1 hemi wouldn't blow one up
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Yeah that's I what I said if the chain was good I'd run it.....I'd venture to say even a 6.1 hemi wouldn't blow one up
Oh my bad I must have been typing when you posted that... cool that's good news for me its new to me and completly rebuilt with a new sye, I cracked the case and twisted the yoke on the old one, the splines in the yoke when you looked in it were corkscrewed.. no lie, anyways how that happened is a long story
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The 300 is way stronger than an NP231.The Atlas is based of of it.The NP205 is HUGE and has a 1.96 low range.

There are other 8.8 axles out there.Crown Vic ones are a little wider than the Explorer.The F150 version is wider than both.
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Yeah that's I what I said if the chain was good I'd run it.....I'd venture to say even a 6.1 hemi wouldn't blow one up
ive blown up my 231 so i wouldnt say its that strong. the whole back of my transfercase exploded driveing down the expressway. somehow i still put it in 4wd and drove it home
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and u can also get a 8.8 out of a bronco witch is a full length. If you want i have one sitting in my yard ill sell u
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about the confusion about the tranfercase, this is my understanding of the dana 300.

shifting the car in and out of RWD to 4WD and even FrontWD, is all done inside the transfer case by use of the twin sticks, instead of actuating hubs and stuff (sorry still trying to learn) like the factory setup. It would just make things simpler, or so i thought
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If you change axles you will have locking hubs you have to deal with. All transfer cases operate pretty much the same, the only difference in the jeep cases is that when you pull the stick it transfers vaccum down to the front axle, engaging it. So, if you dont use a jeep case, you will have to have some other means of engaging the front axle if you keep the stock ones in it....whether it be a different vaccum source with a switch, a cable, or etc.

The other thing is that a Dana 300 isn't cheap and IMHO isn't worth it when you can get lots of others who are 10 times stronger for less cash. The first thing you really need to do is decide the following in the following order:

What kind, size, and brand of engine?

Stock tranny or what kind?

Stock transfercase? if so, need adapter

Chevy transfercase equals chevy front axle

There is alot of things you have to set in stone before you can get the whole thing lined out. For me its easy, I swap in all ford stuff and go on
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Thanks for the advice man, I see what you mean. I've been trying to pick a combo with the least amount of adapters for ease of installation and shortest length. The NV4500 is out because it's just too long. The NV3550 Might be a good candidate, I just really want an overdrive transmission that can go a long time without breaking.

As far as the 8.8's go, I know a place that has plenty of crown VIC's (mostly ex-cop cars) that I can snag one from, and it should be disc brakes.

I've been trying to find out but havent been able to find it, I know the 3550 bolts to the NP231, but does it bolt to the dodge 5.2?

thanks guys, this list is changing fast.
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Man I dunno about that, its a newer tranny than I mess with. I'd say someone makes a bell housing for it
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i think i'm gonna put a call into novak monday and ask them a few questions, something tells me they'll know for sure.

what do you think is a solid combo goose? leading off with a v8? (and no i'm not a ford guy haha)
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Try looking up novak adapters the are extremely knowledgable in mismatching stuff see if they might be able to tell you if the dodge engine will match up with the 3550,

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