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Old 05-02-2013, 02:39 PM   #1
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Just order the Rocky Road Outfitters SPOA lift and OTT steer kit build thread.

Hi all,
I wanted to do a post on the RRO SOA lift and their OTT steer kit hat I just ordered, I will cover the ordering process, shipping, any customer service issues (good and bad), installation, performance of lift after install, and of course final verdict of what my thoughts and experience was with this lift.

A little history: The main reason I wanted to post this thread is to get info out to others that might be considering this lift. I have been looking at this lift for over a year now, and I have asked questions on a few jeep boards but the info that came back was minimal. When googled review's of this lift I found for every good review there was several bad reviews, however the bad reviews all were based on poor customer service (shipping times mostly) and any mention of the product was generally good.

Disclaimer: I am in no way affiliated with RRO, don't know anyone who is either, paid for the lift in full, no discounts, and will post both positive and negative comments.

Why I finally decided upon this specific lift: Like I said I have been looking at this lift and lift type (SOA) for over a year (probably over 2 yrs) I have been going back and forth on getting this for several reason. First off my ability to do a traditional SOA lift (cutting and fabricating) was very limited, I did investigate piecing together my own SOA lift, but in the end I decided that it was too involved for me under current conditions. The RRO SPOA and OTT kit was just a good fit for what I wanted, a complete kit that included the steering issues, and most (probably not all) other items , brake lines etc... So after several years I finally pulled the trigger and ordered the lift kit on Tue, 23 Apr.

The Kit I ordered and initial customer service: I ordered the SPOA with OTT steer (no shocks) for my 95 YJ. Total cost was $1074 with shipping to AZ. Placing the order there was no way I was going to just place it over the internet with what I had read about RRO's customer service. I called and placed the order with RRO and I am glad I did, I originally wanted to get their shocks too, but during the call RRO informed me that the shocks were on backorder for a couple of weeks and it would hold up the shipping on it, so I decided to opt out of getting the shocks to get the lift sooner. Prior to placing the order I asked if all components were in and RRO had no problem checking on that. After that I placed the order and RRO said it would go out on Wed. next day.

Shipping: On Fri. I sent RRO an e-mail to verify that it had shipped, to my dismay the reply was no and "I only see that you ordered a SPOA no OTT" Oh crap! Worst fear...RRO's service is bad! So I called and reconfirmed the correct kit and that the delay was due to not having the brake lines. I was assured that the complete kit would be shipped out on Mon morning. On Mon. morning I received an e-mail from UPS with tracking #, then on Wed. 01 May the kit arrived at my door. Additionally I have sent a few e-mails to RRO regarding installation, the reply was quick and to the point, no issues with RRO so far...

Packaging and Kit contents will be next when I get a chance to open them up, I will be sure to post up some pic's of the packaging and kit contents....

Hope this info will help others.....Any questions ask away...

Stay tuned....

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I look forward to hearing more. Ive always been curious bc like you said, for every good review there were a couple bad ones

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I look forward to hearing more. Ive always been curious bc like you said, for every good review there were a couple bad ones
I got to say RRO has been just as good as anyone, and better than some on the ordering and shipping side, in fact they warned me about the shocks being late and me having to wait for the kit.

Some other companies say nothing about backordered parts until after you order, it seems just so they could get my money faster...then when the part hasn't shipped they fess up and mention backorder.

RRO has been up front, they have had good customer service so far...
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I just watched one of these kits (Brand New) go un-sold on EBAY for $270 w/ $70 shipping and no reserve...
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Looking forward to seeing how this pans out. I've been wanting to do a SOA as well but my knowledge is there to do most anything. I just don't have the time to sit around and figure out what's next since my 95 YJ is my DD. Another note I am in the military and I hardly get free time after spending what I do have with the family.
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I too am curious about how well the kit is and ease of installation, however my Jeep is a 94yj but it should be pretty much the same. Mine happens to be mostly a daily driver but I have other vehicles I can drive if I needed to in order to install. Total time of installation would be a great piece of info. Look forward to watching this thread.
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Sorry haven't been able to post for a few days, I got the kit delivered last week, and on Fri. i was able to dig into it and do a parts check and layout of each box. Snapped off pic's of the contents of each box and will post them up here shortly and do a quick write up of the shipping and packaging of this kit...stay tuned...

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Staying tuned. I had considered this kit before going with the Rubicon Express instead (though I did use the OTT Steering).
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Staying tuned. I had considered this kit before going with the Rubicon Express instead (though I did use the OTT Steering).
How do you like the OTT steering?
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How do you like the OTT steering?
So far, so good.

Some caveats:

- The bolt on stuff works, but I never really felt safe with it. Seems like the bolts would work loose, even with all four in on each side. I ended up bolting them with red loctite and then welding them all around. Now I know they won't go anywhere.

- The ball joints take some getting used to installing. They have different heim sizes depending on where in the kit they go and not a lot of specification. I ended up dry fitting mine a few times before I got it right.

- You may or may not need a drop pitman arm even with the OTT system. I didn't, but I know a few folks who have used this system and needed the drop anyway.

Other than that, very pleased.

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So far, so good.

Some caveats:

- The bolt on stuff works, but I never really felt safe with it. Seems like the bolts would work loose, even with all four in on each side. I ended up bolting them with red loctite and then welding them all around. Now I know they won't go anywhere.

- The ball joints take some getting used to installing. They have different heim sizes depending on where in the kit they go and not a lot of specification. I ended up dry fitting mine a few times before I got it right.

- You may or may not need a drop pitman arm even with the OTT system. I didn't, but I know a few folks who have used this system and needed the drop anyway.

Other than that, very pleased.

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Thanks for the info, It will help when I get around to do the install...
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Shipping and packaging of kit

Ok, last Fri. I was able to unbox and do a parts inventory of the RRO Lift and Steer Kit. Snapped off some pictures when I unboxed everything. I received 4 boxes containing all the kit, overall boxes were in good shape with nothing falling out, parts were pretty much just placed in box with some foam padding and foam peanuts. I had 2 bags of bolts and washers, nuts etc...Everything was intact and in good shape.














The only little snafu I encountered was that RRO didn't include the lift kit instructions, they had the instructions for the OTT and I also got a Parts list/receipt paperwork.

On Sat I e-mailed RRO to see if they had the lift instructions and by Mon afternoon I had a copied PDF of the instructions.

Next stage will be installation, this may be a week or 2 from now since I will be out of town occasionally, and I still need to pull the axles and clean/paint them before I start throwing the parts on...
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OK all, been away for a couple of weeks, finally able to focus more on this lift and review. Will be pulling the trans to put in a new clutch, then starting back up on getting this lift in over the next couple of days/week. Will post up regarding the progress on the lift here shortly.

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Ben, I am currently looking at purchasing this kit. Any other updates for us?

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how much is a OTT kit ??? I did my springover for a lot less $$$. did 8.8 swap at the same time.
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I have the Rocky Road OTT kit. I love it. Hell, two weeks ago I hit a stump with my front diff that would have stuck me in the woods if my tie rod was still down there. My axle hits crap every once in a while and I know I am fine. Even if you are not SOA, this is a great kit for a people who offroad a lot since the odds of you damaging your steering are slim.

As far as a drop pitman arm, I have the stock pitman arm and the drag ling is almost parallel with the tie rod.

I have to agree with the red locktite and welding though. I did the same. I have read two reviews of the bolts coming loose on these. When it comes to steering you should not cut any corners. I got a few 1" + beads on these without taking the knuckles off and it has been fine for over a year now.

I also did an 8.8 swap at the same time. The $500 I spent on the OTT kit was some of the best money I ever put in my Jeep.
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I am right in that it DOES NOT come with leaf springs, you use your factory ones?
Also, you got the high steer kit, that is why you don't need a dropped pitman arm.
Do you have any up close pictures of your install of the SOA kit?
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I am right in that it DOES NOT come with leaf springs, you use your factory ones?
Also, you got the high steer kit, that is why you don't need a dropped pitman arm.
Do you have any up close pictures of your install of the SOA kit?
I didnt use the soa kit. I welded it all from scratch
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I didnt use the soa kit. I welded it all from scratch
I should also add that I got the full length rubicon add a leafs off ebay and had them added in by a spring shop. They are made for SOA and strengthen the leafs so you do kill them too quick. Mine are awesome a year later, and I wheel the crap out of my Jeep.
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I know the OTT kit is good, but my questions are primarily about the SOA kit.

But now that you mention the RE springs, I may throw in some of those as well. Just since my springs are 23 years old. lol
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The SOA kit seems to be disappointing for the price which is why I did not buy it. I got 7" perches (good for SOA) for my front an rear axles for not much at all. I also got new grade 8 UBolts, and cut off all the old hardware for the springs on the axles. As far as putting the springs on top of the axles, that is all you need if you can weld or know someone to weld it for you. But anyone who has done their homework knows there is a lot more to an SOA then just putting the springs on top of the axles.

I also got real nice extra long steel braided lines. Of course you need to address the steering whether you get the OTT kit or not, but what about the traction bar? If you do not put in a traction bar you will wrap your springs extremely fast. Also, if you are setting your pinion angles, the angle is different whether you have a traction bar or not (a difference of about 3 degrees). Even if you add a leaf it is not enough to stop axle wrap. A good traction bar is one of the most important, difficult, and expensive parts of a proper SOA. You can buy one which makes it a lot easier, or you can make one which is what I did. Here are pics of mine. I drove my Jeep for about 2-3 weeks while getting the time to make the traction bar, and in that time axle wrap had already started with stock springs.

You can see the traction bar, as well as how my lefs are in the rear with the full length add a leaf added. As you see neither the psrings or traction bar inhibit flex either. The pics of the traction bar was when I was first figuring out how I was going to make it. That is Schedule 80 pipe and 3/8 steel plate on a perch.
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Do you have a shot of where/ how you mounted your traction bar on the front side?
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No. I just used a heim joint with a 7/8 Grade 8 bolt going through it. That is all welded into a 1/4" piece of angle iron. They are connected by a shackle.
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Ben, I am currently looking at purchasing this kit. Any other updates for us?

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Sorry for the delay, I've been busy lately and haven't had a chance to get to the jeep until the other day.

I have pulled both axles, painted them and dropped a Loc right in the rear, as far as the RRO kit goes I started the install with the OTT Steer and then moved to the lift. I do have alot of input and photos to post up covering this and some good info.

I will get these posted tonight,

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how much is a OTT kit ??? I did my springover for a lot less $$$. did 8.8 swap at the same time.
Looking just at the OTT kit it was 500.00 and the steering shock kit was 90 plus shipping.
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I am right in that it DOES NOT come with leaf springs, you use your factory ones?
Also, you got the high steer kit, that is why you don't need a dropped pitman arm.
Do you have any up close pictures of your install of the SOA kit?
You are correct, the kit does not come with springs, I am using my stock springs, plus I have added a rancho add a leaf of 2.5' to my spring pack. I added this years ago and I hope it will help with any possible spring sag....
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Well after much delay I have finally had the chance to get back to the RRO install. I started with the OTT kit first since the front axle was pulled.

The OTT kit requires that you grind down a seam along the oem steering knuckle, then drill and tap 2 holes on the knuckle.



Here is the knuckle after I grinded it down...

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Once I ground the seam down on the knuckle, I moved on to drilling and tapping the 2 bolt holes to mount the OTT tower on the OEM steer knuckle.



This is a critical step with this kit, you want to take your time and make sure everything aligns right.





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So far everything went fine, then I came to this part....this was a BEEEEEAAAAACCHHHHH!!!!





The instructions said to drill out the old ball joint hole to 5/8th's for the new bolt, not too much of a problem except that I needed to go get a 5/8th's " bit, and one that had a reduced shank since my drill was only 3/8ths.. $20 later I have a new bit and the holes drilled out, next I have to drill out the holes on the RRO steering component...WTF...and to top it off the holes on the part are elongated, which makes it impossible to drill out. RRO wants it to be a tight fit here for safety, but they could at least drill this out to 5/8th's so the customer dosent have to...

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