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Old 04-10-2014, 02:21 PM   #31
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Looks like a good start

Why go carb? Get rid of that old school junk and get it fuel injected!! It's a bit pricier, but the reliability AND not stalling when on steep inclines on the trail are worth it alone. It's only $1200 too and when you think about what we spend to keep our rigs going that's a drop in the bucket, plus it's almost entirely self contained which means you don't have to go plugging into the harness on your Jeep, AND it improves your fuel economy. Not that a YJ is good on gas in the first place, but it's nice to save a little

I think the only real work you need to do is fit a bung in the exhaust for the O2 sensor. The Howell unit is pretty well thought out.

Also, not sure if your state does inspections or smog or whatever, but swapping in an engine that is older than your model year vehicle is not legal. If none of that applies to your state, carry on sir

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Old 04-11-2014, 11:47 AM   #32
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I'll trade all my injection crap for that old school junk on any day of the week..

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Old 04-12-2014, 01:22 AM   #33
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My 87 is carbed and incredibly works well. Being over 40 I went to that old school. I agree injected is more efficient. But owning 20+ different cars, trucks, motorcycles I cut my teeth rebuilding carbs. Once you have it built and adjusted you leave it alone. And general maintenance is a requirement. Yeah you can always run em' into the ground and complain how it sucks and what a piece of crap it is. The crappy one is the one who thinks that's the way it goes. No excuse for neglect. If you can't afford to fix em' be a big boy and buy something less demanding and time consuming. Inj vs carb? Simple Inj. I chose carb cause I had good experiences. Not all good, but ever try chasing down a shitty injector? And then replacing it? Sucks. Well that's my 3˘.
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Old 04-12-2014, 01:57 AM   #34
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I'm not that way, tracing a faulty injector is relatively simple to me (unplug one by one until the engine doesn't run different ).

I just prefer the simplicity of FI, especially since I roam through numerous altitude changes and whatnot. To each his own I suppose
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Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind fi. I looked one up today. Fi 2 bbl sits in place of carb. Its on my wish list.
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Old 04-15-2014, 03:51 AM   #36
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I don't see how EFI is simplistic or reliable. Its more complicated and more prone to failure off road in my eyes. Wires, sensors, and circuit boards all hooked up to a hot engine and being jarred around, splashed, and scraped. It just doesnt sound like a good idea. And $1200 vs. $300 is a no brainer for me as this is a budget build. Plus, in almost any case, a carb problem can be treated with no more than a screwdriver, vacuum plugs, and a can of carb cleaner right on the trail. Even a complete rebuild kit is only around $40 and can be done in a couple hours.

If EFI works for you, then rock it, but Carbed just makes more sense to me.
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Old 04-15-2014, 10:57 AM   #37
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^Yea- What he said^ - I was serious about trading my computer setup for a carb and stand alone ignition system..
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Old 04-20-2014, 11:45 AM   #38
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Can you put a stand alone Ignition like "DUI" , on a fuel injected motor , or do you have to pull fuel injection and switch to a carb. too ? The reason for me would be to dismiss and pull the cam position sensor..
BTW- you got any updates for us ?
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Old 04-21-2014, 03:07 AM   #39
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No big news at the moment. Paid a stream of bills over the last few weeks, but I should have some Jeep fundage next week. I plan to order a frame patch and start stripping the underside. Ill keep you all posted
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When I lived in Colorado there was a very steep hill that I tried climbing several times in my 1951 Willys jeep and also my 1974 3/4 ton Dodge Power Wagon. Both were carbed and both would stall at about 3/4 of the way up the hill. Give me injection.
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Old 04-22-2014, 03:21 PM   #41
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You assume the engine has the computer mounted to it- very rarely, if ever, do they, typically the computerized parts are isolated away from any engine or driveline heat. You're creating scenarios that just don't happen, especially since every new automobile on the road today is fuel injected and uses the OBDII system. We wouldn't be using FI setups if they weren't reliable. Hell even motorcycle, ATV, and watercraft manufacturers are moving towards FI setups just because they're infinitely more reliable (FI doesn't have cold start problems, nor altitude issues, or varying air pressure issues- it is self tuning and does so without any input from the driver whatsoever) and creates more power and can automatically keep the engine running with a perfect fuel/air mixture as the RPMs advance. A carb can't do that, not as perfectly as EFI can. Sensors and wires aren't mounted anywhere where they would cause issue. You'd have more problems with the finicky stock D30 vacuum disconnect system than you would with a solid EFI system.

You have one injector per cylinder, which gives an even fuel spread- the only way you can achieve such evenness with a carb is to run one carb per cylinder. And I'm certain you are all well aware of the issues with having to tune multiple carbs so that they're in sync of each other.

No, really, if EFI isn't as reliable as you claim it to be, then why are there millions of vehicles on the road today without issues? Why do thousands of Jeepers upgrade away from the carb setups on their engines in favor of EFI? Why do basically all rock crawlers use EFI? Why don't you see people making sand toys with carbs anymore?

It's reliable. It's self tuning. It doesn't stall at steep angles. And it's very very efficient at creating power.

So you can build your Jeep how you want (well duh, isn't what why you bought one in the first place? ) and run whatever setup you want, because it's really your Jeep, but don't go making brash assumptions about FI. Whatever floats your boat is what you should fill it with
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Old 04-24-2014, 10:09 AM   #42
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Computerized trucks are Not good bug out vehicles .. Ratherbedirty is building the only "truly reliable" jeep other than diesel ... computers can be compromised by even the smallest of things , like radiation .
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very interesting build !! its nice to see someone trying to bring a vehicle thats almost dead back to life.
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:07 PM   #44
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very interesting build !! its nice to see someone trying to bring a vehicle thats almost dead back to life.


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Old 05-03-2014, 12:44 PM   #45
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Xpress, You're not telling me anything I dont know. I practically grew up in a garage. Yes, EFI is more efficient and works better, while its working. Problem is that when it starts to fail, 1 - its harder to diagnose, and 2 - a small problem with an EFI system is more likely to completely disable a vehicle than with a carb.

I have had 15+ different vehicles (EFI and carbed) in the last 8 years, and the plain and simple FACT is that I have had many more problems with EFI than with a carb. Im not making "brash assumptions". Im speaking from real experience.

Now let me remind you that this is my build thread, not an 'EFI vs Carb debate' thread. (more than) Enough said.
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Old 05-03-2014, 12:46 PM   #46
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Also, sorry for the lack of updates. I also have a very needy daily driver, multiple other projects and hobbies, and a new business venture in the works. But stay tuned because I do plan to at least get this thing running this summer. Thanks all
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Old 05-24-2014, 09:09 PM   #47
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Its been a while but I'm back at it again. After admiring the upsized tires and taking a couple pics, I decided to jack her up and start stripping the front end.






I wire-wheeled some sections of the frame and firewall to see where all the rot was - found a few things I didnt know about, but nothing any worse than what I'd found already.

The guy that owned it before my friend did some very shitty frame patching on the front left where the steering box bolts on... SMH






The welds are strong, but ugly as hell. Worse yet, he welded parts of the steering box spacer and bolt heads to the frame, which will have to be cut free. And the worst part is shown in that last pic. Theres only about 1/2" or less of weld holding the right side of the spring bracket to the frame, and the left side of the bracket was accidentally cut into, weakening it some. Scary!

I think Im going to try to get ahold of a whole front frame section from a rear-ended 6 cyl YJ and replace the frame from the front body mounts forward. With that I wouldnt have to worry about moving the motor mounts either. Time to put in some OT!
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BIG update today. A few days ago I decided to drill small holes every 12" or so accross the bottom of the frame, to find the thin spots. About 80% of it has thinned too much for my approval. I also found 2 more holes. One hiding up underneath the bumpstop, and another at the very end where the rear bumper goes on. So I decided to look for a whole frame and happened to find one about an hour away for $200. It has a lot of surface rust, and some minor flaking, but its still very structurally sound.





I went balls out today to remove the body tub any damn way that I could






In spite of the amount of rust on this Heep, the body bolts only took about 10 minutes to get out. 2 of them just broke and one was already missing (big suprise)

After that, I removed the axles from the old frame, set it aside, and slid the new frame over. I flipped the body tub up on its side so I can wire wheel and paint the underside, as Ill be doing to the frame and axles too. Just need to get new spring bushings, so I can bolt them to the new frame and paint it all in one shot.
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That is a big updaten the new frame lioks pretty good nice find.
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Creative way to get your body tub off! Im enjoying your build so far. Will continue to watch your awesome progress!
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Took some time today to go over the frame and prep it for paint. Had to hammer out a few of the body mount brackets and bumper bracket that were bent. Pulled off all the brake/fuel lines, bushings, body mounts, and bump stops, wire wheeled over it and then sprayed it with bedliner. Its not show ready, but it'll do.







None of the local parts stores had spring bushings in stock, so I ordered red polyurethane bushings from Summit Racing. Hoping they will be here this weekend so I can slap this thing on its wheels and start runnin new brake lines.
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Old 06-06-2014, 01:39 PM   #53
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The brown Santa came today with my new bushings! So I made some time before work to get her back on her wheels.





Next, Ill be painting the trans crossmember and buttoning it up with some new bolts. Then, Ill have to finish the transfer case rebuild (finally) so I can get the driveline mocked up and re-locate the motor mounts, and list goes on and on. But at least I can say my nightmare is starting to turn into my dream. Stay tuned people
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Progress does make you feel better about a progress. Looking good.
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MAN - So you went from a patch it up and go to a full off frame restoration.. WOW - Good job - My computer crashed so I had to come up with the money to get another one , so I haven't been able to follow this AWSOME build - Keep up the good work - And ( btw ) I'm still serious about trading all efi components for a carb. setup.. Computer (ECM) , fuel tank , injectors , fuel rail , fuel lines , fuel pump , intake manifold , throttle body , wiring harness , coil , Distributor and plug wires , and all sensors.. If you like those things "LOL"..
I.M.O. I'd do just what you're doing .. That's a good looking motor ..
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Thanks. Today I got my small parts kit for the T-case in the mail so I can finish it. Just need to get it over to my dad's and use his press as Im still a little short on tools at home. Til then Ill be getting new bolts for pretty much everything, and next pay day, Ill be ordering a full stainless steel brake line kit. But does anyone know where I can get replacements for those plastic fuel/brake line holders that push into the frame? I would scavenge them from the old frame but cant really take them out without ruining them.
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nice build! Living in Ohio I know your pain when it comes to dealing with rust. If I found a sold frame like that for $200 I'd be doing a frame swap, which would be hard since I don't have room! some day I'd like to run new brake an fuel lines, I don't see any leaks but they don't look good.
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Old 06-16-2014, 12:25 AM   #59
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Brake lines are nothin to mess around with. They dont usually leak, they just burst all at once. Had it happen in my old mustang once. If they are flaking or dimpled looking, change them, they wont last much longer. Actually one of the brake lines on this YJ broke completely through when I tried to pop it out of the retaining clip
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Looks good. I'm in the middle of fame swap myself. I used raptor liner on the frame. Looks a lot like yours. Good luck with the rest.

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