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Old 02-16-2014, 10:29 PM   #1
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I have a JKU Arctic with 33" Mud tires and no suspension lift. All of the height is stock(no spacers, coils, etc etc) how much "Flex" will I be able to get out of this stock set-up without breaking anything? Thanks!

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Are you running on stock wheels or aftermarket?
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"Flex" is a pretty useless number. Your shocks likely have 10" of travel (jk guys will know this better), so likely you have closer to 4" of up travel and 6" of down travel.
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Are you running on stock wheels or aftermarket?
They are stock because of the Arctic package... Black 17s on 33 inch mud terrains
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O.K. I think we will find out the first contact point easily. Drive into a parking lot, turn hard either way, max out your steering and go slow. You will rub if my calculations are right. To fix this rub you need 1.5" wheel spacers. I bought the SpyderTrax 1.5" wheel spacers and all is great for the backspace issue. Next, you need to consider the up/down clearance. I solved that with Old Man Emu Coils. Just coils alone put me up 2" and now I have it all working great with my 285/70/17 Duratracs.
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O.K. I think we will find out the first contact point easily. Drive into a parking lot, turn hard either way, max out your steering and go slow. You will rub if my calculations are right. To fix this rub you need 1.5" wheel spacers. I bought the SpyderTrax 1.5" wheel spacers and all is great for the backspace issue. Next, you need to consider the up/down clearance. I solved that with Old Man Emu Coils. Just coils alone put me up 2" and now I have it all working great with my 285/70/17 Duratracs.
Something like this? Do I need anything else to make these work? I would lift it, but A LOT is involved and I dont have the know-how or tools to do a lift
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One more question before I send you part numbers. Do you have a winch or other heavy items on your front bumper?
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Something like this? Do I need anything else to make these work? I would lift it, but A LOT is involved and I dont have the know-how or tools to do a lift
You don't have to lift it at all. You can put washers on your steering stops so that you don't rub when turning or get a set of spacers. As of limiting up travel you only have to pick up a set of bump stop extensions. Likely 1"
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One more question before I send you part numbers. Do you have a winch or other heavy items on your front bumper?
I have an Olympic Light bar with 3 Oracle HID lights... I dont think its that heavy... but no winch (although its on my list!!)
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You don't have to lift it at all. You can put washers on your steering stops so that you don't rub when turning or get a set of spacers. As of limiting up travel you only have to pick up a set of bump stop extensions. Likely 1"
Ok... so to increase "flex" or suspension travel, you need to add bump stop extensions?? Thanks! As you can see, im pretty new with this!!
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Ok... so to increase "flex" or suspension travel, you need to add bump stop extensions?? Thanks! As you can see, im pretty new with this!!
No, that'll decrease it so that your tires don't destroy your fenders. What's your end goal?
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I am not a bump stop extension fan. I would rather use the right coils. If you are planning on a winch then you might want the heavier front coils like I used. Either way I would put in the Old Man Emu coils - Rear 2618 - Front 2616 (light) or front 2619 (heavy for a winch). They are about $168 per set of coils so you are looking at just over $300 to lift it 2" and do it the right way with quality coils.
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No, that'll decrease it so that your tires don't destroy your fenders. What's your end goal?
My end goal is to be able to show off my Jeep on rocks (flexing) and get a more aggressive look to my Jeep
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I am not a bump stop extension fan. I would rather use the right coils. If you are planning on a winch then you might want the heavier front coils like I used. Either way I would put in the Old Man Emu coils - Rear 2618 - Front 2616 (light) or front 2619 (heavy for a winch). They are about $168 per set of coils so you are looking at just over $300 to lift it 2" and do it the right way with quality coils.
So with these coils, all I have to do with me OEM setup is add these and it'll give me 2inches of lift? Which in turn, will give me more "flex"?? I dont have to add anything else to it?
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Wheel spacers and EMU coils would do it. All I have is the new coils and new wheel spacers and the rest is stock. I ended up going up 2 1/4" and it drives like a dream.



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Wheel spacers and EMU coils would do it. All I have is the new coils and new wheel spacers and the rest is stock. I ended up going up 2 1/4" and it drives like a dream.



Now does the rubicon have different front suspension by any chance? The Arctic is based off of a Sahara...
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Not that I am aware of. I believe the suspensions are the same. The Rubi might have better shocks but that is about it. When you look at the listings for the coils and wheel spacers it does not mention any difference for any JK or JKU. If you are not going to weigh down the front end then go with the 2616 coil, if you are going to add a winch then go with the 2619 front. Back is the same part no matter what 2618.

I would start with the wheel spacers first as I know you need those for sure and then you can see if the wheels rub up/down.
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My end goal is to be able to show off my Jeep on rocks (flexing) and get a more aggressive look to my Jeep
I have never understood the point of that. SMH
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Question for you Steedgun. I am not familiar with lifts, but read your suggestions which seem simple. I see a lot of threads about lifts, why do other people do a suspension lift when it appears that you can get the same lift with just coils? Is there a down side to using just the coils?
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Question for you Steedgun. I am not familiar with lifts, but read your suggestions which seem simple. I see a lot of threads about lifts, why do other people do a suspension lift when it appears that you can get the same lift with just coils? Is there a down side to using just the coils?
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He did "just add coils". Adding coils IS a suspension lift. Adding coil spacers is also a suspension lift. He also added wheel spacers to push his wheels out. Since he has stock tires, I would presume he is doing it for the looks.
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I have done full lift kits before. This is my fourth Wrangler and I want some lift and clearance for my larger tires for offroad but I don't want the larger full lift kits as they tend to make the car an unhappy road vehicle. To get any more lift than the 2" I got you will need a full lift kit that comes with much more than just coils and spacers. For my tires all I needed was up a bit and out a bit.
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Wheel spacers and EMU coils would do it. All I have is the new coils and new wheel spacers and the rest is stock. I ended up going up 2 1/4" and it drives like a dream.



if you are going offroad at all would at least look into getting longer swaybar links and maybe brakeline extension brackets. those stock links are to short and you run the risk of flipping them when off road
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To your (OP) first question, more flex is easily achieved by disconnecting your front sway bar. But you need to make sure your shocks , brake lines and wheel sensors are not getting any stress on them.
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I am not a bump stop extension fan. I would rather use the right coils. If you are planning on a winch then you might want the heavier front coils like I used. Either way I would put in the Old Man Emu coils - Rear 2618 - Front 2616 (light) or front 2619 (heavy for a winch). They are about $168 per set of coils so you are looking at just over $300 to lift it 2" and do it the right way with quality coils.
Lesson learned. Stock shocks and steering stabilizer on the Rubicon X will work o.k. with the above parts but it will drive funky on the freeway. I have now ordered OME shocks and steering stabilizer to go with the coils and wheel spacers. This is much more than I wanted to spend just to handle the winch/bumper weight and the larger tires but if this fixes the squirrel in my steering and ride I will be happy.

Anyone interested in Rubicon coils and shocks with about 3k miles on them?
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To your (OP) first question, more flex is easily achieved by disconnecting your front sway bar. But you need to make sure your shocks , brake lines and wheel sensors are not getting any stress on them.
Im still new to this... how do you do that? Is it worth it?
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Bump stop extensions will still have to be used with larger springs. There is absolutely no way around them. At the very least you need to bump stop it to prevent coil bind, and likely more to keep the tires out of the fenders.
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Why not take your jeep offroading and see if you truly need a lift for more suspension travel. Most people never even find out what their stock rig is capable of
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Not that I am aware of. I believe the suspensions are the same. The Rubi might have better shocks but that is about it. When you look at the listings for the coils and wheel spacers it does not mention any difference for any JK or JKU. If you are not going to weigh down the front end then go with the 2616 coil, if you are going to add a winch then go with the 2619 front. Back is the same part no matter what 2618.

I would start with the wheel spacers first as I know you need those for sure and then you can see if the wheels rub up/down.
So with my factory fenders, if i get wheel spacers, will that hit?? Can i just do coils and not wheel spacers??

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