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Old 04-18-2009, 12:52 PM   #1
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Red face Newbie GIRL who really wants a JEEP!

I've been lurking for awhile.... and it seems like just boys.... oops... I mean MEN in this forum. While I'm new, I'm trying to learn all I can about JEEPS before I take the plunge! I just wanted to say thanks for all the great info. I've learned so much.

I think I've decided on the Sahara Unlimited. I am totally excited about getting back to driving a stick, and can't wait to take it off road and get it dirty! I'm sure it won't be anything too crazy. This may sound like a strange questions, but in all my reading of the posts, I haven't seen anything about people taking their dogs with them. I have 2 medium size rott mixes that I like to take everywhere with me.... If I'm doing pretty mellow off roading, can I bring them with, and is there a way to safely strap them in the back? They LOVE going for rides!

So, thanks again for all the great info. I can hardly wait. I just want to know as much as there is to know to pick the right jeep for me! I'm hoping to get it by my next B-day in January 2010!

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Had it right the first time! You should absolutely take your dogs with you. It is great exercise for them and it is nice having a companion with you. I have 2 boxers and they go along any time possible. I use this method to keep them in the back. You can even add cargo nets for more security.

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If I start wheelin something I feel like I have a chance to roll over I always let the dogs out first.


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^ This is a good idea, in terms of letting the dogs out.
Also, there are cargo nets, and such. I would reccommend that anywhere you plan on having the dogs in where there is a chance of rolling, DO NOT leash them to the rig! Seen it happen- think noose... yeah. Not good.
Sorry for the negative note- some folks just lack (un)common sense, and it bugs me when dogs suffer for it.
Personally, my girlie and I throw our pup in the back- he gets bounced around a bit, but he just lays down after a bit. Unless you're planning on Dukes of Hazzard-ing it, you should be fine, assuming the dogs know to stay put. Our mutt (part pit, part, something, 100% sissy ) often puts his head on the window-silly with the top off (back seat folded up, as ours is a 2-door), and enjoys the ride until it gets too bumpy.
You should be fine, but if you're concerned, maybe get the hardtop, and when they're in the back, just remove the front 2 panels? My two cents.
Also, I work at a dealership, so any questions you have, feel free to fire away! Cheers, and congrats on picking the best rig in the world Mark W.
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^ This is a good idea, in terms of letting the dogs out.
Also, there are cargo nets, and such. I would reccommend that anywhere you plan on having the dogs in where there is a chance of rolling, DO NOT leash them to the rig! Seen it happen- think noose... yeah. Not good.
Sorry for the negative note- some folks just lack (un)common sense, and it bugs me when dogs suffer for it.
Did you even look at the link I provided? It isn't a collar setup. It is a body harness which is very safe for a dog in the event of a roll over.

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Thanks guys. I think Mark was saying the harness set up was good, and NOT to just use a leash, right? It looks like it would give them freedom to stand or sit to enjoy the view, and they could also lay down. Knowing mine.... they'll be checking EVERYTHING out!

Mark, I've seen so many of your posts. You are very knowledgeable and helpful. I was fortunate to find a great guy at our dealership who knows we are still months out. We've been by about 4 times now, and being in sales myself, I've been very impressed that he remembers us, remembers what I want, and doesn't push. He let me take a few different jeeps out on my own. An impression like that goes a long way.

I have to say that the more I research, the better I feel about "going for it".... the whole warranty debate is of course a bummer.... but, sometimes you just have to take a leap, and handle the bumps as they come. It's also very empowering to learn the differences between the X, the Sahara, the Rubi, what's "unlimited"..... the navi, mygig..... When I first looked about a month ago... I was OVERWHELMED to say the least.... now thanks to you guys, and researching on my own, I'm getting there!
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Did you even look at the link I provided? It isn't a collar setup. It is a body harness which is very safe for a dog in the event of a roll over.
You know nobody looks at your links after that last stunt you pulled, sheesh, I still can't get that image out of my mind.
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, what's "unlimited"....
in 07s and newer that is the designation for the 4 door.
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I reread how I wrote that..... Actually that was one of the things I know now! It was confusing to me that first day on the lot when I was checking them out....

Now.... if you want to explain Next generation Dana 44 Heavy-Duty solid axles.... that'd be great..... I'm now done with the "pretty" parts of the JEEP, and moving to the core.... I want to understand what goes on INSIDE of it.... I like the hill assist feature ONLY because we have some steep hill here in CA, and it's been A LONG time since I've driven stick.... and, I've never driven 4 wheel drive, so I'll have to learn that..... I'll just keep reading, and come up with a list of ?'s for you guys!
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heres me and the dog on pizza rock at rausch creek. i strap her in with a harness that cips onto the seat belt so she can move around a bit but if she tried to junmp out the seat belt would catch
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That's cool too.... nice Rescue Green Rubi.... (see... I've been doing my research!) I would need to have mine in the way back.... with the kiddos in the back seat.... (holding on for dear life) They were less than impressed with my shifting abilities.... which BTW weren't bad at all considering it had been A LONG time.... and I didn't stall out once....
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My dog sits on the front seat, even with the doors off. She's a pug and she has a standard harness.
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I have a strap that attaches to the top of her collar and to the latched seatbelt. It's a very short strap that keeps her fully on the seat. She's not going anywhere. If there's a rollover, she'll be hanging in her harness, not by her neck.
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Welcome to WF JeepGirl. Lots of useful info here from this bunch.
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my boxer is coming up on 5 and has ridden utvs in the passenger seat everywhere and in the jeeps back seat she holds her own balance good. i never go fast when i wheel so if it gets steep she leans back or sits sideways. she loves it
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Old 04-18-2009, 08:32 PM   #17
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well sounds like your getting the hang of the 6 spd. its actually a harder stick to drive, ive been driving sticks snce i was 18 and i stalled my jk quite a bit till i got the hang of the drive by wire (a louder exhaust helped to)
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First up, for my first post, yes, I meant a collar is ok, just no leash-only. Also, keeping them in the area behind the seat is key- our pup rode ON the seat yesterday, and a mild bump nearly launched him! Yikes!
I appreciate the kind words, and am glad you have a quality salesperson- there aren't that many left in Jeep, it seems, from what folks are saying!

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Now.... if you want to explain Next generation Dana 44 Heavy-Duty solid axles.... that'd be great..... I'm now done with the "pretty" parts of the JEEP, and moving to the core.... I want to understand what goes on INSIDE of it.... I like the hill assist feature ONLY because we have some steep hill here in CA, and it's been A LONG time since I've driven stick.... and, I've never driven 4 wheel drive, so I'll have to learn that..... I'll just keep reading, and come up with a list of ?'s for you guys!
Ok- the Dana 44 is a well-known solid axle. It is tough as nails, dependable, and has a large pinion (one part of the gears [ring and pinion]) which adds to durability (so you don't strip or break gears), and unitized bearings, which also adds to durability (think one piece vs. several).
Hill start assist is nice for some people- it does NOT like my driving style with the 6-speeed, but it's my girlie's rig, so tough for me
For the 4wd, here's the run-through:
On the road in normal conditions, leave it in 2wd. This leaves JUST the rear wheels engaged, and provides ample traction for 99% of the time.
If it's snowing hard, and there's accumulation on the road, kick it on down into 4HI. You can shift on the fly at up to 50 MPH, but going slower is a good idea to avoid potential damage. This pretty much locks the driveshafts together, meaning all 4 wheels are driven. The reason you can't be in 4wd all the time is there's no center differential. Let me explain...

Each driven axle in a car has what's called a differential in the middle (or offset, like 4wd front axles- look for the big roundish looking bit). The differential allows for a speed differnce (differential, duh ) between the two wheels, which is what allows the car to turn. This is why spools (basically 100% locked differential) are no fun on the street- they don't allow ANY differnntial action.
Now, running a center differential is why AWD systems and full-time 4wd systems can do what they do. A center differential allows for a speed difference between the front and rear axles. This is why you MUST keep tires in these vehicles rotated regularly and replace all 4 vs. by pairs- center differentials can and will go kersplat if abused like that
Since the Wrangler has no center differential, there is no way to compensate for differing axle speeds.
Now, you won't blow your transfer case apart immediately if you accidentally leave the Jeep in 4HI on the road, but it is not advisable. That's why there's an "idiot light" on the dash that tells you when you're in 4wd.

Hope that helps a bit
Also, engaging 4HI/LO every few months (only for a moment, at a crawl, preferably not on pavement if possible) is advisable for service reasons. Basically, it helps keep the front axle properly lubed and ready to rock (yes, I said that ), avoiding potential problems down the road Mark W.
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Old 04-19-2009, 09:51 PM   #19
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What is the Sahara package now, outside of some stickers and a tire cover? I can understand the appeal of the Sahara prior to 04 I believe, but is there any point to the package since they ditched the good seats?
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Umm, lots, actually. Painted fenders, 18" wheels and 32" tires, Stain Repel cloth seats, tow hooks, fog lights, rear LSD- all kinds of good stuff, and some good options, too- Mark W.
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I've been lurking for awhile.... and it seems like just boys.... oops... I mean MEN in this forum. While I'm new, I'm trying to learn all I can about JEEPS before I take the plunge! I just wanted to say thanks for all the great info. I've learned so much.

I think I've decided on the Sahara Unlimited. I am totally excited about getting back to driving a stick, and can't wait to take it off road and get it dirty! I'm sure it won't be anything too crazy. This may sound like a strange questions, but in all my reading of the posts, I haven't seen anything about people taking their dogs with them. I have 2 medium size rott mixes that I like to take everywhere with me.... If I'm doing pretty mellow off roading, can I bring them with, and is there a way to safely strap them in the back? They LOVE going for rides!

So, thanks again for all the great info. I can hardly wait. I just want to know as much as there is to know to pick the right jeep for me! I'm hoping to get it by my next B-day in January 2010!


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Umm, lots, actually. Painted fenders, 18" wheels and 32" tires, Stain Repel cloth seats, tow hooks, fog lights, rear LSD- all kinds of good stuff, and some good options, too- Mark W.
Ummm... not really. Had to check it out again. Both the X and Sahara come with 255 tires. You can get tow hooks and fog lights on any model, and the Trac Lok (LSD) is not standard on either model. It's a $295 on X and Sahara.

Just can't justify the $3-4k price hike for the Sahara just for scotch guarded seats, an inch bigger wheel, and some paint on one of the more vulnerable parts of the body.

Thats a lot of money that can be spent elsewhere on the Jeep in mods... Just my .02
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The X comes with 225/75/16's standard- you have to upgrade to the 23S package to get the 255's on an X. You can't get tow hooks and fog lights on a 23B package X, and the rear LSD comes on virtually every Sahara built. I ran a search out to 1000 miles- there isn't ONE Sahara without the diff. I work at a dealership- I've seen one or two Also, they get full power on the '09's. Tubular side steps, A/C (not standard on an 23B X), keyless entry and alarm come with full power. A leather wrapped steering wheel is also included.
Now, is a Sahara worth it? For some folks, sure. You get a lot of nice on-road niceties and upscale trim, while also getting a Wrangler in the deal.
Not everyone NEEDS a Rubicon, and not everyone is going to mod their Wrangler. It may not be for you, but the Sahara is the 2nd most popular option package, next to 23S, which also tends to come loaded (LSD, dual-roofs on many, 17's, etc.). It's just what people want, and need.
Sadly, the Sahara also often comes in 4-door and auto, and turns into a mall crawler, but hey- there's no law controlling sale and use of Wranglers Mark W.
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I am just completely overwhelmed by all your car lot knowledge... lol Just because your search came back with every one having LSD, doesn't change the fact that it isn't a free option. And according to Jeep, The more expensive X model does come standard with 255's


My whole point was why waste the money on options that aren't really needed outside of mall crawling, when the money can be spent on better upgrades for Jeep that cost less. 255's... Big deal. Useless if your gonna put on a lift and run bigger tires. Factory options are too expensive. Buy cheap and upgrade with aftermarket.

Forgive me if I'm down on Dealership employees... But after my recent JK shopping, I've decided that most of the sales staff I have run into are knowledgeless dumb asses. The guy at our local dealership thinks that my Sahara's seats are a custom one-off set built for me by Jeep and are the coolest thing he has ever seen. Between that and him telling me I wont find a X model for under 24k made me realize what I was dealing with.
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Good stuff to keep Fido in the JEEP.

I don't have them yet but they're on the list.

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Hey jeepgirl17, I am also female,welcome to the forum, you will enjoy it here as all the members are a lot of fun & a down to earth bunch. Talking about Sahara's,well I have a four door & it is taken off road a lot not used as a mall crawler. The upgrades are nice,all I need to do now is fit lockers, other than that I am very happy with it. The nice thing about Sahara's is that the whole Jeep is the same color all over as opposed to all the other models having black guards which can stain. You can have them painted but why bother when the Sahara has it done for you already. Just a few points,hope we make it a little easyer for you when you purchase one as it is a big decision. I used to take my dogs in the back also & found a rack for behind the back seat. It is a universal fit for SUV's that I cut some off to make it fit.It is removable & worked really well. My Cocker however liked to scratch at the back window damaging the rear demister, none the less he doesn't come with me any more.
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^lucky you, I bought mine black so that I won't see the difference between the metal and the plastic parts so much... sahara is not available in europe, though.

Welcome, JeepGirl, well it's good we have all the guys here to help us out with whatever issues we come across. You said never driven 4 wheel drive, actually you get to use the wrangler mostly 2W when on regular roads, anyway it's exactly the same on 4W, only a strange thing with the steering wheel when on sharp curves.
And this car is anyway so fun to drive, you'll love it first second you get in it, no matter the technical specifications... (yes, I admit, this is totally a woman opinion).
Btw, where I live, most JK drivers I come across are women (and most Mini drivers men...).
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i actually put my dog in a harness and i also have a strap that clicks into the seat belt (just like a seat belt) and it keep her in the jeep and allows her to stand and look around
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I am just completely overwhelmed by all your car lot knowledge... lol Just because your search came back with every one having LSD, doesn't change the fact that it isn't a free option. And according to Jeep, The more expensive X model does come standard with 255's


My whole point was why waste the money on options that aren't really needed outside of mall crawling, when the money can be spent on better upgrades for Jeep that cost less. 255's... Big deal. Useless if your gonna put on a lift and run bigger tires. Factory options are too expensive. Buy cheap and upgrade with aftermarket.

Forgive me if I'm down on Dealership employees... But after my recent JK shopping, I've decided that most of the sales staff I have run into are knowledgeless dumb asses. The guy at our local dealership thinks that my Sahara's seats are a custom one-off set built for me by Jeep and are the coolest thing he has ever seen. Between that and him telling me I wont find a X model for under 24k made me realize what I was dealing with.
Understood, but keep your frustration with your local dealers if you can.
As you know, Mark (thaduke2003) is a friendly, knowledgeable and all-around great resource. I am not one for getting involved in personal discussions, but please remember the level of support that Mark provides here on this forum. I concur precisely, none of my dealers even knew what JK meant, they thought Unlimited was just a trim that came on "all 2-doors" only.
None of them could tell me how to remove the hard tops, where the drain plugs were located, what the differences were (in general terms) between
the models.... ---- None of that is acceptable and I have no idea why it is tolerated.

It is just amazing, you would think they could take a few minutes and read the #$@#$@#$! brochures when they aren't busy....probably most of the day and learn something.

I am definitely not taking up for dealerships, but Mark is one of the truly good guys.

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