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Old 03-26-2013, 03:06 PM   #31
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I got a couple of friends run Nitto Grapplers 35" on there lifted truck found they wore very bad for the price . I was thinking about buying a set for my JK instead I bought 295x70 17 Toyo MT very please with them not too much mud so far excellent in snow and quiet on the pavement wearing excellent 15k and look like the day I bought them.
Thanks for the heads up mollyg, I always heard they wore pretty well so I will look into it.

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I just put this exact setup together. Let me know if you want any other pics / info. Nitto Trail Grapplers 295/70 18 on my stock Sahara rims.
Going with a very similar set up on my stock 18s as well but with Duratracs instead. Im installing a TF level kit but want a little more space in the wheel well than yours. Im no tire expert but if i go with a 295-65-18 it will give me the same width but not as tall of a tire correct?

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Going with a very similar set up on my stock 18s as well but with Duratracs instead. Im installing a TF level kit but want a little more space in the wheel well than yours. Im no tire expert but if i go with a 295-65-18 it will give me the same width but not as tall of a tire correct?
No, you would need a 285 or a 275 to accomplish that. The 65 or 70 is in relation to the width of tire I believe. I'd stick with a 70 personally but I do agree with you, it needs a little more clearance in the wheel wells. I regret not going with a 2.5 in. lift. I do not regret the 295's. I think ill add spacers for the time being and do the 2.5 lift next year.
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Thanks Vader. Can anyone help clarify this with the sizing? I always though the 295 was the width, the 70/65 was the hight from the top of the wheel to the top of the tire, and the 18 is obviously the rim diameter
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Thanks Vader. Can anyone help clarify this with the sizing? I always though the 295 was the width, the 70/65 was the hight from the top of the wheel to the top of the tire, and the 18 is obviously the rim diameter
This is mostly correct. 295 is the width of the tire. The second number is called the aspect ratio. It's a percentage of the width that tells how tall the height from the wheel to the edge of the tire is, and the 3rd number is the rim size.

So for instance a 275/65/18 and 275/70/18 would have the same width, but the second one would be taller because it has a larger aspect ratio.
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This is mostly correct. 295 is the width of the tire. The second number is called the aspect ratio. It's a percentage of the width that tells how tall the height from the wheel to the edge of the tire is, and the 3rd number is the rim size.

So for instance a 275/65/18 and 275/70/18 would have the same width, but the second one would be taller because it has a larger aspect ratio.
Thats what I thought. Thanks for clearing that up
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I stand corrected. I have always found it difficult to read those numbers and then try to convert it from metric. My apologies.
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Hey vader, or anyone else running 285's or 295's. Is the stock mount for the spare adequate to carry a tire that size?
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Today I got quoted on 295/70r17 and 285/70r17 grapplers. They are essentially the same price.. five 295's will run me $1,628 and the 285's will run $1,623. This includes mounting and balancing but doesn't include tax. Spacers will probably run me another $200.

I am just stuck on which one to go with especially since they are the same price. Some things going through my mind are what wheel spacers to go with as well. I know spidertrax are referenced a lot but any others out there I should look at?

I like the look of the tires coming out past the fenders a little bit so I'm wondering if this would be a reason to go with the 295's but would it even be much more noticeable?

I also will be okay with just spacers and no lift correct?

Thanks for the help guys and if anyone is running a similar set up some pics would help!
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I have the 285 grapplers. Good size and rides good.
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Tires came this morning. 285/70r17 Trail Grapplers from DTD.

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I just put this exact setup together. Let me know if you want any other pics / info. Nitto Trail Grapplers 295/70 18 on my stock Sahara rims.
This helped me In an amazing way man!!! I have a stock sahara with powder coated rims so I want to run these on my stick wheels. What gearing do you have and how much did your mpg change? Thank so much for posting these pics!
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This helped me In an amazing way man!!! I have a stock sahara with powder coated rims so I want to run these on my stick wheels. What gearing do you have and how much did your mpg change? Thank so much for posting these pics!
No problem, glad they helped. I'm not 100% on my gearing but I have a feeling they're the 3.21's. My mpg dropped dramatically, my shift points were off, and my speedo was off by 10 mph (thank you to the MS cop that let me go w/out a ticket). I was running 12.8 mpg, highway... Until... This beautiful little procal module made by AEV made its way to me. Worth it's wait in gold and it'll have payed for itself after 7 fill ups. Transmission shift points were fixed, speedo is correct, centered my steering wheel with it after a track bar install and it jumped me from 12.8 to 16.6 mpg.

I ended up plasti dipping my wheels and I am quite happy with the results. I also swapped the rear teraflex 1.5 in leveling springs with Old Man Emu 2.25in springs for some extra clearance and in an effort to try and recover the factory rake (i know most people dont like the factory rake but i love it when her ass sticks up in the air!!)

The only other advice I'd give, only hang out with Jeeps that have the same size tires or smaller. Start hanging around with these guys with 37's and you'll kick yourself for not going bigger.
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Hey vader, or anyone else running 285's or 295's. Is the stock mount for the spare adequate to carry a tire that size?
Carry's mine just fine but I do get a little nervous out on the trails with it bouncing around so much and it's a heavy friggin tire.
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Today I got quoted on 295/70r17 and 285/70r17 grapplers. They are essentially the same price.. five 295's will run me $1,628 and the 285's will run $1,623. This includes mounting and balancing but doesn't include tax. Spacers will probably run me another $200.

I am just stuck on which one to go with especially since they are the same price. Some things going through my mind are what wheel spacers to go with as well. I know spidertrax are referenced a lot but any others out there I should look at?

I like the look of the tires coming out past the fenders a little bit so I'm wondering if this would be a reason to go with the 295's but would it even be much more noticeable?

I also will be okay with just spacers and no lift correct?

Thanks for the help guys and if anyone is running a similar set up some pics would help!
You'll run into issues running a 29(8)5/70's w/ out a lift. A budget boost will be well worth the investment. I don't think you'll notice a diff between the two but I'd go with the bigger / wider setup personally. And replace the factory shocks!!
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No problem, glad they helped. I'm not 100% on my gearing but I have a feeling they're the 3.21's. My mpg dropped dramatically, my shift points were off, and my speedo was off by 10 mph (thank you to the MS cop that let me go w/out a ticket). I was running 12.8 mpg, highway... Until... This beautiful little procal module made by AEV made its way to me. Worth it's wait in gold and it'll have payed for itself after 7 fill ups. Transmission shift points were fixed, speedo is correct, centered my steering wheel with it after a track bar install and it jumped me from 12.8 to 16.6 mpg.

I ended up plasti dipping my wheels and I am quite happy with the results. I also swapped the rear teraflex 1.5 in leveling springs with Old Man Emu 2.25in springs for some extra clearance and in an effort to try and recover the factory rake (i know most people dont like the factory rake but i love it when her ass sticks up in the air!!)

The only other advice I'd give, only hang out with Jeeps that have the same size tires or smaller. Start hanging around with these guys with 37's and you'll kick yourself for not going bigger.
Awesome!! So you would recommend me buying the pro cal module at the same time as I get the tires and go ahead and put it on? Would the tire shop do this for me? Sorry I'm just a little new to this kinda stuff. I really do want the tires and ill probably run the 285/65/18s
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Awesome!! So you would recommend me buying the pro cal module at the same time as I get the tires and go ahead and put it on? Would the tire shop do this for me? Sorry I'm just a little new to this kinda stuff. I really do want the tires and ill probably run the 285/65/18s
I would highly recommend the AEV procal Module. It runs about $160 and once used, it's tied in to your VIN. This prevents shops from selling it as a service, so no, the shop probably wouldn't offer it and if they did its probably as expensive as buying the programmer yourself. Your VIN can be cleared out but you would have to clear out all the changes you've made with it and return it to its original state. Order it from Quadratech as I believe they have free shipping on programmers currently verses AEV does not.

You really need to correct the bad information being inputted due to the change in tire size. That one difference throws everything else in the vehicle off and you'll recoup your money pretty quickly in just mpg savings.

You're doing exactly what I did prior to choosing my setup, so don't apologize for being new. Don't hesitate to ask any questions.
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I would highly recommend the AEV procal Module. It runs about $160 and once used, it's tied in to your VIN. This prevents shops from selling it as a service, so no, the shop probably wouldn't offer it and if they did its probably as expensive as buying the programmer yourself. Your VIN can be cleared out but you would have to clear out all the changes you've made with it and return it to its original state. Order it from Quadratech as I believe they have free shipping on programmers currently verses AEV does not.

You really need to correct the bad information being inputted due to the change in tire size. That one difference throws everything else in the vehicle off and you'll recoup your money pretty quickly in just mpg savings.

You're doing exactly what I did prior to choosing my setup, so don't apologize for being new. Don't hesitate to ask any questions.
First I wanna say how appreciative I am you helping me out!! I am looking to do exactly what you did actually. I'm gonna buy the proclaiming prior to getting the tires. Once the tires are on what do I need to do with the procal to set things right. I plug it in and then do I just adjust some settings?
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Here are some pics of my 305/60/R18 Traill Grapplers All Aerrains on stock 18" Sahara Rims. The jeep only has a Teraflex leveling kit. Everything fits great without having to use any spacers and there is not rubbing.
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Here are some pics of my 305/60/R18 Traill Grapplers All Aerrains on stock 18" Sahara Rims. The jeep only has a Teraflex leveling kit. Everything fits great without having to use any spacers and there is not rubbing.
Looks great! You didn't need any wheel spacers? How did it mount up on the tailgate?
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First I wanna say how appreciative I am you helping me out!! I am looking to do exactly what you did actually. I'm gonna buy the proclaiming prior to getting the tires. Once the tires are on what do I need to do with the procal to set things right. I plug it in and then do I just adjust some settings?
The reason it's only $160 (others run upwards of $500) is there is no LCD screen. There are these tiny little switches on the back that can be moved up or down. Putting them in a certain sequence will give you the specific code you're looking for. I know it sounds a little weird but I assure you it's very simple. Once you have the correct sequence aligned you simply plug the thing in to a little plug in directly below the front driver side speaker. As soon as you plug it in your jeep will honk twice and then it will be a whole a new vehicle.

I'd recommend driving your jeep with the new tires and without using the procal module just so you know how much this little thing can change the way your jeep drives.

Keep 'em coming!!
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The reason it's only $160 (others run upwards of $500) is there is no LCD screen. There are these tiny little switches on the back that can be moved up or down. Putting them in a certain sequence will give you the specific code you're looking for. I know it sounds a little weird but I assure you it's very simple. Once you have the correct sequence aligned you simply plug the thing in to a little plug in directly below the front driver side speaker. As soon as you plug it in your jeep will honk twice and then it will be a whole a new vehicle.

I'd recommend driving your jeep with the new tires and without using the procal module just so you know how much this little thing can change the way your jeep drives.

Keep 'em coming!!
Wow, you have seriously been so extremely helpful man thanks so much!! I have my heart set on these nittos so within the next few months I'm gonna make it happen. They look so mean and I have a feeling they will be amazing in this soupy NC mud!! Have you been with them much off road?
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Wow, you have seriously been so extremely helpful man thanks so much!! I have my heart set on these nittos so within the next few months I'm gonna make it happen. They look so mean and I have a feeling they will be amazing in this soupy NC mud!! Have you been with them much off road?
One of my deciding factors in choosing the Nitto was its aesthetics. Once I saw a picture of them on stock wheels, my heart and mind were set. I've taken them offroad a ton and mainly through mud. Have yet to do any rock climbing with 'em but in the mud, they rock. The KM 2's seem to clear out a little better but I have absolutely no complaints with them offroad and would recommend them to a friend if asked.

On the road, I'd put them up against any a/t tire! I noticed very little additional road noise over the stock tires. A lot of complaints out there about how quickly they wear down but I have close to 5k on 'em and I haven't notice any excessive wear (I'm no expert either though).

If I had the choice to do it all over again, I'd absolutely buy them again. Best looking tire out there IMO. Keep your eye out on sales / prices, I got mine for a hair over $300 a piece (discounttire)and then got a local shop to match the online prices I found (prefer to support locally owned businesses). And take into account you'll need an alignment done when you get 'em put on.

I'm just down in Atlanta and get up to the north GA mountains pretty often, so if you ever want to ride let me know. You should check out Jeepfest in Jasper, GA in the fall. www.sheriffsjeepfest.com Had a blast there last year when I was still stock, so this year should be even better!
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Here are some pics of my 305/60/R18 Traill Grapplers All Aerrains on stock 18" Sahara Rims. The jeep only has a Teraflex leveling kit. Everything fits great without having to use any spacers and there is not rubbing.
Are those Trail Grapplers or Terra Grapplers?
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One of my deciding factors in choosing the Nitto was its aesthetics. Once I saw a picture of them on stock wheels, my heart and mind were set. I've taken them offroad a ton and mainly through mud. Have yet to do any rock climbing with 'em but in the mud, they rock. The KM 2's seem to clear out a little better but I have absolutely no complaints with them offroad and would recommend them to a friend if asked.

On the road, I'd put them up against any a/t tire! I noticed very little additional road noise over the stock tires. A lot of complaints out there about how quickly they wear down but I have close to 5k on 'em and I haven't notice any excessive wear (I'm no expert either though).

If I had the choice to do it all over again, I'd absolutely buy them again. Best looking tire out there IMO. Keep your eye out on sales / prices, I got mine for a hair over $300 a piece (discounttire)and then got a local shop to match the online prices I found (prefer to support locally owned businesses). And take into account you'll need an alignment done when you get 'em put on.

I'm just down in Atlanta and get up to the north GA mountains pretty often, so if you ever want to ride let me know. You should check out Jeepfest in Jasper, GA in the fall. www.sheriffsjeepfest.com Had a blast there last year when I was still stock, so this year should be even better!
Man if I'm ever close down to Georgia ill totally hit you up!! Your rig is sick and hopefully mine is on the way to becoming one haha. Again I really appreciate all of your quick responses!! Thanks again!
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Here are some pics of my 305/60/R18 Traill Grapplers All Aerrains on stock 18" Sahara Rims. The jeep only has a Teraflex leveling kit. Everything fits great without having to use any spacers and there is not rubbing.
^ very nice setup!!!
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I got a couple of friends run Nitto Grapplers 35" on there lifted truck found they wore very bad for the price . I was thinking about buying a set for my JK instead I bought 295x70 17 Toyo MT very please with them not too much mud so far excellent in snow and quiet on the pavement wearing excellent 15k and look like the day I bought them.
Your friends probably never rotated them or didnt have them balanced properly. They're good for 50K if you take care of them and keep them inflated properly. Way better than most M/Ts that usually last about 25,000.
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I've been running 295/70r17 trail grapplers for about 4k and absolutely love their on and off road characteristics. Just enough hum on the highway to know you're driving mts but not too much to annoy you.

They have been wearing great (so far) and have pulled me through some pretty deep stuff off road.

I'm running the aev 2.5 dual sport suspension with bilsteins and can't say enough about the lift. 17" rugged ridge wheels with wheel protectors... I know I haven't dinged them up on rocks yet but I've only had the protectors on for a month

Also these tires measure out to about 33.5" and 11.5" wide. Fit on stock tire carrier with no mods to third brake light. Just had to get the day star bump stops because the stock ones wouldn't reach the tire due to back spacing. No popped welds or problems offroad as of yet but a reinforced carrier or bumper/tire carrier is one of my next purchases.

Can't say enough about Nittos and haven't ever met any other jeep owners who have said otherwise
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Looks great! You didn't need any wheel spacers? How did it mount up on the tailgate?
No I didn't need any spacers, I just added a Teraflex leveling kid. In the beginning I was going to add spacers, but my dealers said that they weren't needed unless I went to a 35 tire.
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Are those Trail Grapplers or Terra Grapplers?
They are Nitto Terra Grappler Tire 305/60R18

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