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Old 01-11-2013, 04:41 PM   #31
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If I decide to offer any for sale, I'll offer them on eBay. I'd do it auction style, not "Buy It Now" style, so the price will depend on what people are willing to bid. I'd likely set some reserve so they don't sell at a ridiculously low price though.
If these go on ebay it's definitely on my short list. Solves a lot of my problems for raising air intake without intake loss from a snorkel. If I were you I'd definitely start production. Or patent it and sell the patent to someone who can mass produce.

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Old 01-11-2013, 05:16 PM   #32
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If these go on ebay it's definitely on my short list. Solves a lot of my problems for raising

air intake without intake loss from a snorkel. If I were you I'd definitely start production. Or patent it and sell the

patent to someone who can mass produce.
I just do this as a hobby, no way I'd go into business selling these because that would take all the fun out of it for me. If I decide to offer a few on eBay it will be mostly as a favor to the many people who have asked to buy them.

But if some company (or person) is interested in bringing the Cool Cowl to market, I'd be happy to talk to them about the possibility. I've got a fiberglass company that's interested in doing the manufacturing, so it would be easy for a company/person to get these on the market even if they don't have fiberglass manufacturing capability.

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Old 01-11-2013, 05:46 PM   #33
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Either way. I want one! Very cool way to personalize my TJ never seen one like that before.
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Old 01-11-2013, 06:06 PM   #34
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Old 01-11-2013, 07:40 PM   #35
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Either way. I want one! Very cool way to personalize my TJ never seen one like that before.
I've never seen one like it either, that's why I had to design and build this one .
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:32 PM   #36
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I'd love one as well!! Very cool. Great idea!
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:48 AM   #37
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So when are you posting it on Ebay?
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:22 AM   #38
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So when are you posting it on Ebay?
What he said. I've seen your work before. I'm sure if you churned out a few they'd sell fairly easily.
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What he said. I've seen your work before. I'm sure if you churned out a few they'd sell fairly easily.
x2. what do you think the cost is going to be? tax time is around the corner.
btw what size is the opening for the rain cap/pre cleaner, 3 1/2" or 4"?
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x2. what do you think the cost is going to be? tax time is around the corner.
How much do you guys think it should cost? Hearing some opinions on price will help me decide if it's molding some of these to put on eBay.

Here's a link to a factory-replacement style fiberglass cowl panel for price comparison: Kentrol Part 30660 - Fiberglass Cowl Plate

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btw what size is the opening for the rain cap/pre cleaner, 3 1/2" or 4"?
It's designed to take an affordable cap like this one: X002014



But there are other types of air caps available that will fit, including centrifugal cleaners for extreme dust environments, and of course you can put a snorkel on there too.

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So when are you posting it on Ebay?
Maybe after I hear some input from you guys on what the price should be .
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How much does one cost in raw materials?
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How much does one cost in raw materials?
Because of the integrated duct (shown below), which is made from fiberglass and bonded to the underside of the cowl panel, it uses perhaps 20% more raw materials than the commercial one I linked to, which is just a single piece of fiberglass.

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I have no idea how much fiberglass cost. Or how many man hours it takes you to slap one together. But if you're putting them on eBay I'd probably start them around 150
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Because of the integrated duct (shown below), which is made from fiberglass and bonded to the underside of the cowl panel, it uses perhaps 20% more raw materials than the commercial one I linked to, which is just a single piece of fiberglass.

my orginal guess for $300 was pretty close then, since it uses 20% more, and it is a large piece to make. i know a lot of people might complain at the cost but it is still resonable, now if you could offer a complete system (hat to intake) and a extra port or two to vent the axles, tranny/t-case, pcv system for no more than $600 you might have a seller. i would at least offer some thing that goes from the cowl to fire wall and has a firewall connection.
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i would at least offer some thing that goes from the cowl to fire wall and has a firewall connection.
If I offer these for sale on eBay, it would be just for the cowl panel; for the ducting and firewall port fittings I'd include a document with sources where someone could buy them. The port fittings are just a couple of dollars each, and the necessary flex tubing to connect stuff up is maybe $12 for more than you'd ever need.
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i think a list with the cowl would be a great idea. what would you recomend for air box, i read good and bad on the spectre system. and do you think you would be able to do it for less than $300? i know you have materials, labor and tooling to cover.
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i think a list with the cowl would be a great idea. what would you recomend for air box, i read good and bad on the spectre system. and do you think you would be able to do it for less than $300? i know you have materials, labor and tooling to cover.
I don't see anything wrong with the factory air box, see post #13 in this thread. I'm sure some people will say it's "restrictive" (after all, that's what the magazines always tell us). There are other options besides the Spectre, I've seen writeups on other forums using a Buick air box or a Ford Windstar box. Those may be good if you want to reclaim the stock air box real estate on the inner fender to mount a compressor or something else. I've also seen several writeups criticizing the Spectre air box for various reasons - one of the reasons I've seen against the Spectre is that some people claim it allows water into the intake, but with the ducting provided by this cowl, that problem would be eliminated.

Labor is the most valuable part if this product - molding the two parts, bonding them together, trimming the molded parts (especially the HVAC grille slots), and drilling the mounting holes. If there was little to no labor involved, they could be very inexpensive.

Because of the labor time involved, I wouldn't bother making any for sale if they would only fetch $150, but they don't have to go as high as $300 (unless people bid them up that high ).
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:55 PM   #48
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I really like this idea.
how does it seem to flow?
what does the interior of the "air channel" look like?

I'm in for one if I could get it for less than $300 (not that I'd give away my bid or anything)
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Newbie question. Whats the purpose for these? More hp? Better mileage? I just really like the way some of these look.
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I really like this idea.
how does it seem to flow?
what does the interior of the "air channel" look like?
I don't any equipment to formally test air flow, but the the ductwork molded into the cowl is larger in cross-section than the area of the TJ's throttle body opening. As far as what it "looks like", it's the underside of the fiberglass cowl panel, you can see the underside in some of the photos posted earlier.

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I'm in for one if I could get it for less than $300 (not that I'd give away my bid or anything)
I recently molded a prototype side-port version of the cowl, below are a top port version (red), a side port version (white) and a factory sheet metal cowl:



I've marked with tape where the side port will go, you can see it better in this photo. Either a grille, sheet metal/louvers, a scoop or a



Either a grille, sheet metal/louvers, a scoop or a snorkel will attach where the tape is, here's a rough simulation of what the scoop might look like:

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Old 02-14-2013, 07:38 AM   #51
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I say offer a extremely cheap discount to forum members , but charge the hell out of the jeep pretenders.
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I love everything about that side port setup!
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Old 02-14-2013, 12:21 PM   #53
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ill take a top port.
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I'm from the deep south so theres not much rock crawling to do around here, but my friends and I do find some light mud every now and again and sometimes theres water in the holes. Long story short, if these were for sale I'd definitely buy one no questions. It'd go straight to the top of my "To do" list for the jeep.
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This is topping my want list and definitely climbing high on the I NEED list.
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WOW!! That is awesome and would also be interested in possible purchase. I am making this thread a sub so I can keep tabs on when you post that you're going to be selling some.

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I may not get back to this cowl project for a while... I've just started a new fiberglass project that a company is very interested in marketing, so I've got to get the work done on that first .
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Jscherb do you have a gallery of your Jeep truck? I'm digging it!
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Jscherb do you have a gallery of your Jeep truck? I'm digging it!
There's a bunch of photos on Photobucket (Retro Photos by jscherb | Photobucket, and a build thread over on CJ-8.com (OT: Retro Wrangler/Willys Pickup (long)).

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Man that's fantastic. Thanks for sharing.

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